2 Series [Hot!] BMW 2 Series Coupe (G42)

[AdvEvo]

Sporty? based on what? looks?

 

[dalab]

Sporty? based on what? looks?

With such specific arguments and assertions about weight/power/sport handling, you must be a great driver, in what categories have you raced?
You must have won some I guess...

According to your avatar it seems that the sponsors abandoned you

 

[martinbo]

With such specific arguments and assertions about weight/power/sport handling, you must be a great driver, in what categories have you raced?
You must have won some I guess...

According to your avatar it seems that the sponsors abandoned you

Hey, you have no clue about who you’re taking on here. This guy will drive rings around you, me and any other driver on this forum. Never forget - this a forum with a long history, one which you’re relatively new to. So don’t be a d!ck and how about showing us your videos of you drifting a CSL or 1M…

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Hey, you have no clue about who you’re taking on here. This guy will drive rings around you, me and any other driver on this forum. Never forget - this a forum with a long history, one which you’re relatively new to. So don’t be a d!ck and how about showing us your videos of you drifting a CSL or 1M…

Deja vu. I wrote him absolutly the same one month ago.

 

[klier]

Deja vu. I wrote him absolutly the same one month ago.

Indeed, but @AdvEvo keeps saying the same things too.

Not sporty, fat, heavy, blah blah blah. We know now.

With such specific arguments and assertions about weight/power/sport handling, you must be a great driver

He absolutely is. Probably the best here as @martinbo said.

Sporty? based on what? looks?

And also based in comparison with pretty much every new (non hyper/sports) car on sale in 2022. It is what it is, gedraag je een beetje man

 

[AdvEvo]

With such specific arguments and assertions about weight/power/sport handling, you must be a great driver, in what categories have you raced?
You must have won some I guess...

According to your avatar it seems that the sponsors abandoned you

From 9 years to 18 years Go Karting
formula ford
formula renault
lots of tourenwagen racing bmw race cars e46 V8, porsche gt3 cup car. 24 hour zolder factory team in bmw m235i also did 24 hour dubai in an m3 e46.
lots of rally driving in finland in subaru r4 also did lots buggy driving in a speedcar xtrem on snow/ice gravel
i own E30 BMW DTM have done some races with it.
over 200 trofee s won in all my race years.
Do lots of trackdays with my streetcars in between races and rally.
i am a race and drifting instructor

we have an x1 2.5 as a daily family car.
i have an M2c manual as my fun car with 2 recaro seats. it is 1555kg and that is about my limit for a fun car. My 1m coupe was better though.
i have an Yaris GR which is awesome 1270 kg as my 4wd fun car..
i will order an GR86 Why because it is 1250kg.

i have driven lots of sports cars from friends from ferrari to porsches lambo etc. Most of them are nice garage queens but for my fun on backroads i take the yaris GR thank you very much.

i am very glad a brand like toyota brings cars like the Yaris GR and GR86 those are cars for drivers. All those heavy boats are nice boulevard cruisers. In early days BMW brought some nice drivers cars but lately you can forget this brand if you like to drive cars and use them also on track. Toyota is the new BMW in that case.

i wished BMW brought a new 1M coupe in a fresh new jacket with some lighter parts. No they bring only more heavy and bigger cars. After my M2c i am done with this brand. They bring nothing that interest me anymore from a driver point of view. As daily cars they are still fine.

i hope this explains a lot.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

From 9 years to 18 years Go Karting
formula ford
formula renault
lots of tourenwagen racing bmw race cars e46 V8, porsche gt3 cup car. 24 hour zolder factory team in bmw m235i also did 24 hour dubai in an m3 e46.
lots of rally driving in finland in subaru r4 also did lots buggy driving in a speedcar xtrem on snow/ice gravel
i own E30 BMW DTM have done some races with it.
over 200 trofee s won in all my race years.
Do lots of trackdays with my streetcars in between races and rally.
i am a race and drifting instructor

we have an x1 2.5 as a daily family car.
i have an M2c manual as my fun car with 2 recaro seats. it is 1555kg and that is about my limit for a fun car. My 1m coupe was better though.
i have an Yaris GR which is awesome 1270 kg as my 4wd fun car..
i will order an GR86 Why because it is 1250kg.

i have driven lots of sports cars from friends from ferrari to porsches lambo etc. Most of them are nice garage queens but for my fun on backroads i take the yaris GR thank you very much.

i am very glad a brand like toyota brings cars like the Yaris GR and GR86 those are cars for drivers. All those heavy boats are nice boulevard cruisers. In early days BMW brought some nice drivers cars but lately you can forget this brand if you like to drive cars and use them also on track. Toyota is the new BMW in that case.

i wished BMW brought a new 1M coupe in a fresh new jacket with some lighter parts. No they bring only more heavy and bigger cars. After my M2c i am done with this brand. They bring nothing that interest me anymore from a driver point of view. As daily cars they are still fine.

i hope this explains a lot.

If 1555 kg is the limit for you to have fun, the future doesn’t excactly look bright for you. There will hardly exist any car that light in the market in a few years. I don’t like this fact neither by the way…

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

From 9 years to 18 years Go Karting
formula ford
formula renault
lots of tourenwagen racing bmw race cars e46 V8, porsche gt3 cup car. 24 hour zolder factory team in bmw m235i also did 24 hour dubai in an m3 e46.
lots of rally driving in finland in subaru r4 also did lots buggy driving in a speedcar xtrem on snow/ice gravel
i own E30 BMW DTM have done some races with it.
over 200 trofee s won in all my race years.
Do lots of trackdays with my streetcars in between races and rally.
i am a race and drifting instructor

we have an x1 2.5 as a daily family car.
i have an M2c manual as my fun car with 2 recaro seats. it is 1555kg and that is about my limit for a fun car. My 1m coupe was better though.
i have an Yaris GR which is awesome 1270 kg as my 4wd fun car..
i will order an GR86 Why because it is 1250kg.

i have driven lots of sports cars from friends from ferrari to porsches lambo etc. Most of them are nice garage queens but for my fun on backroads i take the yaris GR thank you very much.

i am very glad a brand like toyota brings cars like the Yaris GR and GR86 those are cars for drivers. All those heavy boats are nice boulevard cruisers. In early days BMW brought some nice drivers cars but lately you can forget this brand if you like to drive cars and use them also on track. Toyota is the new BMW in that case.

i wished BMW brought a new 1M coupe in a fresh new jacket with some lighter parts. No they bring only more heavy and bigger cars. After my M2c i am done with this brand. They bring nothing that interest me anymore from a driver point of view. As daily cars they are still fine.

i hope this explains a lot.

Do you think an EV can ever grab your attention as a drivers car? What if it is 500 hp and only 1200 kg? I believe this will come in 3-4 years.

 

[AdvEvo]

Yeah my future is not bright.

ev 1200kg i don,t see that happening. if so it could be fun.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Yeah my future is not bright.

ev 1200kg i don,t see that happening. if so it could be fun.

A single motor RWD (Lucid's motor is 560 ps and weighs only 70 kg), 60 kW solid state battery should be about 250 kg, or with Tesla's 4680 - 300 kg. The rest 900 kg for body, equipment, tires and suspension. 2026 at the latest.

 

[AdvEvo]

When that arrives i am looking forward to test it.

 

[SKY]

With such specific arguments and assertions about weight/power/sport handling, you must be a great driver, in what categories have you raced?
You must have won some I guess...

According to your avatar it seems that the sponsors abandoned you

See man? This is what you and me have discussed a couple of times. Your clearly love BMW, which is fine, but seem to rage against people who critisize the brand. Someone here says a valid statement about the increasing weight of BMWs, you mock him and he ends up being a professional driver.

Please agree with me it has been lovely to read from the outside

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

While I am no fan of the epidemic of ever increasing weight-gain in cars from features that add very little in terms of driving enjoyment and will eventually break and be nuisance to repair, that's what the broader buying market wants.... they want seat warmers, a butt-ton of screens, motorized everything, etc., etc. They want their cars fortified like a vault and a crap-ton of safety feature. BMW, like any car company in this realm of the market, know that.

I would like to see them do a modern-day E30 M3 Evo, but if done and done properly, it be effin' pricey and limited in appeal, so the likeliness is close to nil. I suspect the M4 "CSL" will just leverage the equity in that badge and the weight loss will be fairly negligible. Though M has seen accolades pile-up for transforming the current M5 to be enjoyed by the enthusiast crowd with their efforts with the CS, but it's even more crazy expensive in the process too. Unfortunately, that's just the way the cookie crumbles these days.

 

[AdvEvo]

Toyota asks about 31.000 euro for A GR86.

235hp and about 1250kg.

with all the speed restrictions and fines it has no point anymore to bring 450hp 1700kg cars. You must find the enjoyment in lower weight, smaller cars, smaller tires Etc. So the car gives more fun at lower speeds.

BMW has a B48 engine with 300hp build a small coupe around it like a GR86. Size of a 1M coupe is awesome.

 

[martinbo]

225iS, RWD, LSD, manual, lightweight interior, reduced insulation. Circa 1400 kg. Is that too much to ask?

 

[Sunny]

A single motor RWD (Lucid's motor is 560 ps and weighs only 70 kg), 60 kW solid state battery should be about 250 kg, or with Tesla's 4680 - 300 kg. The rest 900 kg for body, equipment, tires and suspension. 2026 at the latest.

The early i3 was 1195kg. With a 22kwh battery that weighed 230 kg (source)! The motor was massive too. Rip out battery/motor and put more modern ones and you could have a fun light RWD EV with usable range. Pity BMW is killing it instead of improving it.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

225iS, RWD, LSD, manual, lightweight interior, reduced insulation. Circa 1400 kg. Is that too much to ask?

BMW are already almost there with the 128ti, 1420 kg and 265 ps. But it seems from the tests I have seen that a Golf GTi is better…

 

[AdvEvo]

Fwd is no option for me like the 128ti.

 

[klier]

A single motor RWD (Lucid's motor is 560 ps and weighs only 70 kg), 60 kW solid state battery should be about 250 kg, or with Tesla's 4680 - 300 kg. The rest 900 kg for body, equipment, tires and suspension. 2026 at the latest.

No doubt about it. Hopefully BMW is among the brands offering such a car. Hopefully Project Catharina is a real thing and we'll see something (with half it's reported power would already be enough) in a few years

Fwd is no option for me like the 128ti.

The 1er is a disaster in every engine spec. Faar. A shame they revived an iconic name for this car.

The early i3 was 1195kg. With a 22kwh battery that weighed 230 kg (source)! The motor was massive too. Rip out battery/motor and put more modern ones and you could have a fun light RWD EV with usable range. Pity BMW is killing it instead of improving it.

Yes, I now have ample experience with my friend's 2021 i3S, and it truly is a great car that's actually fun to drive and pretty f'ing lightweight compared to pretty much every other EV. Range is not really an issue here in this tiny country with charging stations literally everywhere. i3 is an icon no matter what haters say. Haters don't know.
And yeah keeping the car alive with updated tech would have been the best option considering they do not even offer an alternative. How strange?

Making a good driving RWD EV light car is already possible today. They just refuse to make one sadly. Porsche will do it probably first and ask a ridiculous premium for it, to make sure it's unreachable for normal people.

 

[dalab]

From 9 years to 18 years Go Karting
formula ford
formula renault
lots of tourenwagen racing bmw race cars e46 V8, porsche gt3 cup car. 24 hour zolder factory team in bmw m235i also did 24 hour dubai in an m3 e46.
lots of rally driving in finland in subaru r4 also did lots buggy driving in a speedcar xtrem on snow/ice gravel
i own E30 BMW DTM have done some races with it.
over 200 trofee s won in all my race years.
Do lots of trackdays with my streetcars in between races and rally.
i am a race and drifting instructor

we have an x1 2.5 as a daily family car.
i have an M2c manual as my fun car with 2 recaro seats. it is 1555kg and that is about my limit for a fun car. My 1m coupe was better though.
i have an Yaris GR which is awesome 1270 kg as my 4wd fun car..
i will order an GR86 Why because it is 1250kg.

i have driven lots of sports cars from friends from ferrari to porsches lambo etc. Most of them are nice garage queens but for my fun on backroads i take the yaris GR thank you very much.

i am very glad a brand like toyota brings cars like the Yaris GR and GR86 those are cars for drivers. All those heavy boats are nice boulevard cruisers. In early days BMW brought some nice drivers cars but lately you can forget this brand if you like to drive cars and use them also on track. Toyota is the new BMW in that case.

i wished BMW brought a new 1M coupe in a fresh new jacket with some lighter parts. No they bring only more heavy and bigger cars. After my M2c i am done with this brand. They bring nothing that interest me anymore from a driver point of view. As daily cars they are still fine.

i hope this explains a lot.

I didn't need all that resume, I didn't know I was talking to Michael Schumacher's second cousin but congratulations on enjoying driving if you can, though... 200 trophies and no first place?

Hey, you have no clue about who you’re taking on here.

Deja vu. I wrote him absolutly the same one month ago.

I clarify again, as I commented a month ago, it is not relevant with whom I am speaking about what I am perfectly qualified to discuss (about automobiles in every sense), since in addition to being a tester of more than 500 vehicles, I have run rallies and track , in Touring and formula cars, I drove the karting of the South American champion and in addition to winning races, I hold two track records, I produced and hosted my own motorsports and tests TV program for several years and I was a co-driver for Clay Regazzoni, former team mate of Nicki Lauda in Ferrari F1, in his classic Mercedes fixed for him in "The round of the republic" that takes place in Quito.

Real drivers know that the cars that are "fun" are the lightened ones for the track, for the rest of their lives they don't want the inconvenience of a radical's discomfort for a winding scenic route, the 911 GT3 and so on are generally for the they don't race professionally.
I believe that there is always someone to learn from, but all this has nothing to do with the topic of whether an M2 is usseles for weighing 1,600 kg

Never forget - this a forum with a long history, one which you’re relatively new to. So don’t be a d!ck and how about showing us your videos of you drifting a CSL or 1M…

No, I'm not relatively new, I joined the forum just two months after you, 17 years ago, so I'm one of the first 50 or 60 I think "founding" members, I know the whole story perfectly

A dick in my dictionary by definition contemplates judging things from the top of the mountain (when you have to be there), and not from the humility of seeing things from the shoes of others.

My comments and this answer is not meant to beat anyone, but rather to make the point, obviously an E30 DTM will be more fun than an M2, what's the point of pointing that out? that no one else can buy one?

Not sporty, fat, heavy, blah blah blah. We know now.

Exactly

See man? This is what you and me have discussed a couple of times. Your clearly love BMW, which is fine, but seem to rage against people who critisize the brand. Someone here says a valid statement about the increasing weight of BMWs, you mock him and he ends up being a professional driver.

I am not defending the brand but the obvious, a Yaris GT turbo (or whatever it's called) , it is neither special nor anything more than a great hot hatch, but let's make a pool of how many people preferred it to a new next M2 or an M240i coupe.

I agree with you that it is a valid point to get angry because they weigh more and more, but it is an oxymoron to think of adding all the weight of the regulations and comfort of a premium car without increasing the weight and making it profitable without making it all CFRP.
For him, will the M4 CSL and the M2CSL come or not?

Please agree with me it has been lovely to read from the outside

That is the reason for all this, entertain

Toyota asks about 31.000 euro for A GR86.

235hp and about 1250kg.

Fwd is no option for me like the 128ti.

As I said before, it is not my intention to spare anyone, but today a BMW like the ones before (segment occupied by the GR86 as an example) I do not think it is possible, it is not seen as premium, and it would be too expensive, it is not a business for they.
Seeing things from other points of view opening the head to the present is not too much.

Although a 228Ti RWD coupe would please us all