SF90 Ferrari SF90 XX Stradale and Spider

[Revvd]

In this particulary Quattroruote test they didnt add 100 kg as they normaly do, they specifically told in the article that they weighted just with driver.

Ferrari oficial claims:
Enzo: dry 1255 kg - Curb 1365 kg
Laferrari: dry 1255 kg - Curb 1490 kg (claim in user manual)
As we all can see the claimed dry weight of Laferrari doesn’t make much sense…

Welp... that's odd to hear a reputable magazine just change the testing methodology they've used since the 90s on a whim. I want to believe you, but 1,580 kg empty without fuel? That's pretty ridiculous! Now I really want those scans.

Do you have the LaF manual? I could only get my hands on this Enzo one. Which BTW is an amazing document on its own. I wish they still put as much effort into these brochures for modern cars.

Oh, there's also this chart from rennlist forum, which includes Enzo,...

...that I took the liberty of converting to metric system.

Curious that according to this, a US manual for Enzo says the kerb weight is 35 kg more than the EU one.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

Welp... that's odd to hear a reputable magazine just change the testing methodology they've used since the 90s on a whim. I want to believe you, but 1,580 kg empty without fuel? That's pretty ridiculous! Now I really want those scans.

Do you have the LaF manual? I could only get my hands on this Enzo one. Which BTW is an amazing document on its own. I wish they still put as much effort into these brochures for modern cars.

Oh, there's also this chart from rennlist forum, which includes Enzo,...

...that I took the liberty of converting to metric system.

Curious that according to this, a US manual for Enzo says the kerb weight is 35 kg more than the EU one.

No, 1650 was with full tank and driver, so curb should be around 1580, which is in line with magazine tests.
I remember Quattroroute also did a strange weight test with the F50, I think they weighted it with 1/4 tank or something.
Sorry, dont have Laferrari manual, I think I read about the curb weight in some forum

 

[Revvd]

After reading about it some more, I came to realization Ferrari never ever advertised LaFerrari's dry weight.
It also puts in doubt the factoid of FXX-K being 90 kg lighter. There certainly isn't any such claim in FXX-K's press release.

I went to check the XX article in the magazine and sure enough, they again print the dry weight. And if that wasn't enough, it's a different number than what was shown in the video (1155 vs 1165). Pick your erroneous stat of choice, pleb!

Once again I'm reminded of the counterproductive nature of car journalism. Never fact checking anything, parroting factory press releases at best and straight up fabricating stuff at worst.

We need some rouge maniac who isn't afraid to get blacklisted to get to the bottom of things. Otherwise, it's just a constant stream of PR bull....

 

[RacingLover]

After reading about it some more, I came to realization Ferrari never ever advertised LaFerrari's dry weight.
It also puts in doubt the factoid of FXX-K being 90 kg lighter. There certainly isn't any such claim in FXX-K's press release.

I went to check the XX article in the magazine and sure enough, they again print the dry weight. And if that wasn't enough, it's a different number than what was shown in the video (1155 vs 1165). Pick your erroneous stat of choice, pleb!

Once again I'm reminded of the counterproductive nature of car journalism. Never fact checking anything, parroting factory press releases at best and straight up fabricating stuff at worst.

We need some rouge maniac who isn't afraid to get blacklisted to get to the bottom of things. Otherwise, it's just a constant stream of PR bull....

Could you send scans with all the characteristics of all the cars, and if possible, scans of all the pages of this article, it’s very interesting to read what they are talking about there, thank you very much in advance

 

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Yes, this is Mansory’s speciality. In this case the car was already destroyed by Ferrari. It hurts my eyes every time I see a SF90

 

[Revvd]

Out of curiosity, I compiled all known 296 GTB and SF90 entries with measured weight.

296 GTB:
- It seems that Autocar, EVO, Autobild and Auto Motor und Sport tested the same car, but with upgraded wheels to carbon ones for 2023. EVO used random lorry scale for their test, so no surprise their number is off from Autocar's.
- AutoBild reports almost 20 kg lower weight to Auto Motor und Sport.

296 GTB Assetto Fiorano:
- Car and Driver's first loaner was a chonker! 76 kg heavier then the next year's.
- Car and Driver and Motor Trend tested the same car and measured just 2 kg difference. Nice!
- Sport Auto scored the lightest 296 AF ever recorded (no wonder this one was selected to do the Nordschleife hotlap) .

SF90:
- Mr. Brooks was nice to put his personal car on scales with roughly 1/8 of fuel (from which I calculated the rest). Very heavy!

SF90 Assetto Fiorano:
- Motor Trend and EVO nicely match despite having tested completely different cars.
- There was some f#ckery going on with the presser at Ferrari UK. There were two different cars sharing the same spec and the same plates. Weirdly, the RHD one with alloy wheels was at least 44 kg lighter than the LHD with carbon ones. Would love to hear how they would explain that.

Note: American Ferrari loaners all wore vehicle manufacturer plates. The only customer car on the list is from DragTimes youtube channel.

 

[fuhro]

Out of curiosity, I compiled all known 296 GTB and SF90 entries with measured weight.

296 GTB:
- It seems that Autocar, EVO, Autobild and Auto Motor und Sport tested the same car, but with upgraded wheels to carbon ones for 2023. EVO used random lorry scale for their test, so no surprise their number is off from Autocar's.
- AutoBild reports almost 20 kg lower weight to Auto Motor und Sport.

296 GTB Assetto Fiorano:
- Car and Driver's first loaner was a chonker! 76 kg heavier then the next year's.
- Car and Driver and Motor Trend tested the same car and measured just 2 kg difference. Nice!
- Sport Auto scored the lightest 296 AF ever recorded (no wonder this one was selected to do the Nordschleife hotlap) .

SF90:
- Mr. Brooks was nice to put his personal car on scales with roughly 1/8 of fuel (from which I calculated the rest). Very heavy!

SF90 Assetto Fiorano:
- Motor Trend and EVO nicely match despite having tested completely different cars.
- There was some f#ckery going on with the presser at Ferrari UK. There were two different cars sharing the same spec and the same plates. Weirdly, the RHD one with alloy wheels was at least 44 kg lighter than the LHD with carbon ones. Would love to hear how they would explain that.

Note: American Ferrari loaners all wore vehicle manufacturer plates. The only customer car on the list is from DragTimes youtube channel.

Good list! Let me add some more from Quattroruote:

They had a 296 GTB Assetto Fiorano weighing in at 1605kg (with Carbon Wheels) and an SF90 Assetto Fiorano (also with Carbon Wheels) at 1721kg.

Also the first CarAndDriver weight of the 296 (1678kg or 3700lbs) is just an estimate by them during the first drives in Italy...it's no measured weight


Plus we have one measured weight for a Ferrari 296 GTS Assetto Fiorano (from the french Sport Auto), coming in at 1651kg

 

[Revvd]

Good list! Let me add some more from Quattroruote:

They had a 296 GTB Assetto Fiorano weighing in at 1605kg (with Carbon Wheels) and an SF90 Assetto Fiorano (also with Carbon Wheels) at 1721kg.

Also the first CarAndDriver weight of the 296 (1678kg or 3700lbs) is just an estimate by them during the first drives in Italy...it's no measured weight


Plus we have one measured weight for a Ferrari 296 GTS Assetto Fiorano (from the french Sport Auto), coming in at 1651kg

Thanks! I added the QR entries, plus another two done by French Motorsport Magazine.

The data panel on C&D's 1st 296 GTB AF says "Curb Weight: 3700 lb". Usually when they don't weigh them, they add "(C/D est)". But clearly it's an outlier and the reported number could be an estimate with missing tag.

It's strange how light the 296 GTS AF is, when according to Ferrari the Spider adds 70 kg over Coupe.
If anyone has more entries, please go ahead and let me know.

Btw, the wheels section could be misleading and some magazines could actually weigh their car, pictured having alloy wheels in their photos, with carbon wheels and vice versa.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

Thanks! I added the QR entries, plus another two done by French Motorsport Magazine.

The data panel on C&D's 1st 296 GTB AF says "Curb Weight: 3700 lb". Usually when they don't weigh them, they add "(C/D est)". But clearly it's an outlier and the reported number could be an estimate with missing tag.

It's strange how light the 296 GTS AF is, when according to Ferrari the Spider adds 70 kg over Coupe.
If anyone has more entries, please go ahead and let me know.

Btw, the wheels section could be misleading and some magazines could actually weigh their car, pictured having alloy wheels in their photos, with carbon wheels and vice versa.

I have a couple more test weights for 296 GTB (base version):
Autozeitung: 1644 kg
Motorsport (Fr.): 1640 kg

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Love this dataset!!! Great work

 

[Revvd]

OK, here's the latest version then. Sorry for spamming this three times. Hopefully it's complete (for) now.

I have no idea why French Motorsport magazine reported 15 kg lighter weight on the same car, published at the same time. But we'll just go with it.

 

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Soldini, because Maserati didnt want to spend 1.5 mil a year on a boat.

 

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