F1 F1 braced for BMW exit announcement ?!


no it's not the budget cap that is necessary, it's the budget management that needs redefining in light of the rules.

let us analyze for instance engine regulation. the rules stipulate a 2.4 liter V8 with a rev cap of 18000 rpm if memory serves correctly that should last X races. remove the X races and with half the money alloted to making it that durable the teams could extract more power and gain a competitive edge. the rest of the money would either be saved or spent on other areas. and trust me the cost of building 10 engines per year instead of say 2 is not that dear to the environment.

now extrapolate even more, remove the rev cap, and imagine those small rev happy engines unleashed to north of 22000 rpm, how much will it cost a team to make a 1000 bhp 2.4 liter V8 with 22K+ rpm that lasts a single race? think of it, with more variables in engine development you would have teams constatnly refining in an added 200 or so hp margin that would put all teams in equal capability to race and overtake.

all that without more spending.

now let us think inversely. next year refuelling is banned if my understanding is not flawed. how much will it cost to have a competitive engine that will last X races with a rev cap and drink so little fel as to stay on a single tank during a whole race?

now let us get at the big picture, all of this wil it be beneficial environmentally? is Ferrari going to be "greener" because it can build this said engine? or will renault be any less green with an average engine size sold at less than 1.8 liters if it raced with a gas uzzling 3.0 liter V10?

restrictions are bad for the budgets, at least on the short term, what mosley/bernie are aiming at is on the long run to standardize more than half of a formula one car. how many more refiniments can be got from a 2.4 V8 that lasts a season and uses a tankful per race and has its revs caped at 18K or so? there is point at which no more power can be extracted by any team unless they use ethanol or kerosen.

at this points it will be cheaper for teams to start outsourcing engine development to some unique constructor that will benefit from subsidizations and "economies of scale" (compared to single teams) especially when budgets will start to be strained.

extrapolate all i said to engines, gearboxes, aerodynamics, fuel tanks and the whole shebang and you see why F1 is becoming a dangerous place to be financially. Max and bernie are making it to an A1 GP clone little by little.

of course with the world economy going south and the genuine environmental concerns F1 needs to set an example, it cannot remain a dinosaur of a bygone era. but it also must not loose its clout.

what's wrong in freeing up the engine format for example? who cares if teams choose to run single pots or V16 engines? what is so environmentally bad if you remove the rev limit? you can keep the rule that stipulates engines must last X races. that will create a nice balance between friction, revs and sustainability.

its the whole shebang that is so messed up. it's a shame, 5 years ago i used to enjoy seeing montoya dicking himself in a 20K rpm v10 monster, nipping at schumi's ass who was so damn perfect it became painful to look at him.
 
I think, the biggest blunder BMW made was not developing the car following Ice Kube's Montreal victory last year. I have no doubt, with the amount of mistakes Ferrari and Mclaren made last year, Kubik could have been the 2008 WDC now.

And that would potentially mean BMW would still stick around for another 2-3 years at least.

Costs aside, we can't ignore the fact that the 2009 BMW is one of the slowest car in the field, hence the pullout.
 
I think, the biggest blunder BMW made was not developing the car following Ice Kube's Montreal victory last year. I have no doubt, with the amount of mistakes Ferrari and Mclaren made last year, Kubik could have been the 2008 WDC now.

And that would potentially mean BMW would still stick around for another 2-3 years at least.

Costs aside, we can't ignore the fact that the 2009 BMW is one of the slowest car in the field, hence the pullout.

Wasn't BMW Sauber one of the teams that commenced development of the 2009 car very early last year?
 
Wasn't BMW Sauber one of the teams that commenced development of the 2009 car very early last year?


My point precisely. BMW along with Brawn started the earliest. BMW halted their development plans for 2008 and poured all effort, and resources into the 2009 car. I'm pretty sure you remember Kubica complaining about this, but seriously, what a blunder.

They thought with the victory, they have already achieved their target and thus they didn't take the next step.
 
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Now F1 has become expensive scott ? Come on all the team managers specialy hayg and theissen always said that it was very cheap for what it offered in term of touching international audience. Concerning the Kers, Mercedes has just proved you wrong. And concerning the ultra limited developpement freedom, BMW along with the other considerably contributed to it.
 
So after acting as one of the biggest loosers and cowards that motorsport world has known these last 10 years, they now also act with no integrity demanding astronomical sum for a sauber buy out, at least honda did its utermost to save the team. What have you become BMW ?
 
So after acting as one of the biggest loosers and cowards that motorsport world has known these last 10 years, they now also act with no integrity demanding astronomical sum for a sauber buy out, at least honda did its utermost to save the team. What have you become BMW ?

IMHO, it's just business. What was Peter expecting? The same amount he sold the team for back in 2005? He mainly sold the team becuase he could not gurantee the future of the employees there.
 
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Thats a freakin tragic video..
The dude said its not cause we suck..and not cause we lack the money

So why then?

I belive BMW are rebranding itself as the Ultimate Green machine..or some shiz like that..
Motorsport is something they dont feel is necessary to involve their name in..

Sad sad.. :(
 
Sad sad.. :(

Is it really?

BMW can see deep into the future. I'm sure others can do it as well.
But BMW now having an image of a daring & bold company - thanks to iDrive & Bangled designs - can afford to be bold again without tarnishing company's image.

Imagine several years in advance: when new cars will be electric mainly. Zero emissions. How to make an electrical ultimate driving machine? Do you have enough know-how? Or it may happen to you like during digital revolution: when German analog device producers were torn apart by Japanese digital device producers. And the Japanese have prevailed.

The car hardware will change ... So, still pouring resources into old tech (like NA engines, IC engines, petrol motorsports etc) is not wise - in the long run. And managers @ BMW AG know that. Therefore the shift in paradigm is changing ... redirecting resources into new tech.

Meaning: perhaps during the phasing-out of the old tech BMW will be overtaken by some other brand regarding sportiness etc - but when the new paradigm will kick in, and the new tech will prevail - BMW will be able to be competitive again, and will be able to use new tech in a way to deliver typical BMW driving dynamics & typical BMW core values.

So: scarifying some things today - for better future.

:t-cheers:
 
^do you own one of these?


No I don't. But ... Do you really think all the green & sustainability hype is just a fashion-de-juor? And we'll stick with ICE engines forever? Or even turn back to gas-guzzling powertrains?

I don't think so.

The trends are obvious.
 
All that might be true, but the fact is they would not have pulled out of F1, if they were actually winning. Period. They were not, giving weight to all the other factors.

Right on point. There is no car manufacturer that don't have dream of being victorious in F1. BMWs departure was first and foremost driven by their lack of success this year -- the economic impact of the recession is secondary, and any eco-talk is plainly devils advocacy.
 

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