COVID-19 Coronavirus General Thread

[Matski]

So, this is verging on off-topic, but unlike many other such posts that get thrown out in this thread, this one is a nice message... it's positive. I'm not sure if this got picked up internationally or not, so forgive me if this is old news.

100 years ago today, Thomas Moore, an ex-army captain that served his country in the pacific theatre of WWII, was born. At the age of 99, he set out to celebrate his upcoming 100th birthday by walking 100 laps of his garden, this endeavor, commencing in early April, was to raise money for British NHS (national health service) charities being stretched by the coronavirus outbreak. His target was to raise £1000. The story of this spread, got picked up by mainstream media, and then similarly social media.

As of today, his 100th birthday "Captain Tom" has raised £32,500,000. That is ******* astonishing. In tribute, and combination with media coverage, a music single - a cover of "You'll never walk alone" was released, featuring Captain Tom, and sung by 'popular' musician Michael Ball. This shot to number 1 in the UK charts, and holds the position today (his 100th birthday), meaning he's also a double world record breaker. He's also been awarded the honorary rank of Colonel, so Captain Tom is now Colonel Tom. Amongst many other tributes, today a flypast was laid on by the RAF - a Spitfire and a Hurricane - over his house in Yorkshire. A petition is currently running to get him knighted... to become Sir Thomas Moore, it has 1.4 million signatures (I've signed it, I donated too)

He's undoubtedly a figurehead for anything positive that can come from all this in the UK, and as an individual has done more to inspire kindness here than pretty much anyone I can think of, happy birthday Colonel Thomas Moore.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

My country is treading cautiously. Gradual, regional lifting of limitations. A most difficult task at hand-but...so far, so good.

 

[PanterroR]

2088 infected, 77 died, more than 1200 healed as far as Croatia is concerned. We did behave accordingly i'd say.

Still laughing at this corona shit.

 

[chonkoa]

Do you think Coronavirus will change the way companies do business with China?
Especially the G...

There is a price to pay for China and part of that price is the changes in the supply chain.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

There is a price to pay for China and part of that price is the changes in the supply chain.[/QU...

Rumour has it that the U.S. POTUS is pondering defaulting on U.S. federal treasury instrument debt service to Chinese creditors. That can be an extremely treacherous route to take.

 

[dalab]

When a guy with a facemask greets you,

who the f#ck is this mother f#cker

 

[EnI]

There is a price to pay for China and part of that price is the changes in the supply chain.[/QU...

I'm afraid it can result in "Italy" model ... Chinese about working in Chinese factories on Italian soil. It's "local" production, of products with "Made in Italy" label.

That will be the reciprocity measure: Chinese factories in EU. And to make all those products still affordable & competitive, the labour will have to come from China.

Rumour has it that the U.S. POTUS is pondering defaulting on U.S. federal treasury instrument debt service to Chinese creditors. That can be an extremely treacherous route to take.

Now that is extremely dangerous way to go! Or even threat with such a move, using it as a leverage. It's like throwing stones from a glass house!

 

[WBarnes]

Shit just got real!

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Coronavirus NSW: Dossier lays out case against China bat virus program

China deliberately suppressed or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus outbreak in an “assault on international transparency’’ that cost tens of thousands of lives, according to a dossier prepared by concerned Western governments on the COVID-19 contagion.

The 15-page research document, obtained by The Saturday Telegraph, lays the foundation for the case of negligence being mounted against China.

It states that to the “endangerment of other countries” the Chinese government covered-up news of the virus by silencing or “disappearing” doctors who spoke out, destroying evidence of it in laboratories and refusing to provide live samples to international scientists who were working on a vaccine.


Leaked ‘Five Eyes’ dossier on alleged Chinese coronavirus coverup consistent with US findings, officials say

Leaked ‘Five Eyes’ dossier on alleged Chinese coronavirus coverup consistent with US findings, officials say

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Shit just got real!

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph...

Pandora's box

 

[chonkoa]

I'm afraid it can result in "Italy" model ... Chinese about wor...

It is the affordability mantra that has led us to this quagmire. The same mantra that has led to stagnated wages while CEO wages continue to rise. As an entrepreneur I understand the need to be profitable, but not at the expense of the soul of a society. I still reaffirm my earlier point ie there has to be a very steep price to pay for this mess, and we in the west must be willing to take some pain for our long term security.
We MUST disentangle ourselves from China.

We created this mess by supporting the Chinese entry into the WTO. They(CCP) have used all the global institutions we created to undermine and threaten our way of life. Now we have to fix it .

 

[chonkoa]

Rumour has it that the U.S. POTUS is pondering defaulting o...

There is discussion on how to make China pay and that was brought up as one of the possible ways. Whatever the final strategy is, it will involve a complex multi-lateral strategy. The interesting thing is that both Biden and Trump are on the same page with regards to need to hold the CCP accountable. What I am hearing that there is going to be a squeeze on the Chinese economy, and a temporary pain for us as well. From that point, there is a high probability of confrontation in the South China Sea.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

There is discussion on how to make China pay and that was...

My speculation about the Sars cov 2 worldwide spreading:
December 2019, meeting of the Chinese Communist party: Mr president, we are hit by a new dangerous virus for which we need at least 4 months to get it under control. We have two possibilities: We localize it, stop its spreading and all the consequences remain only for us: 10-15% drop in the GDP and the whole world pointing the finger right at us and laugh at us, Possibility 2 we stop the spreading internally but allow the people of Wuhan to travel all around the world. In that way we will make it a worldwide problem, from which we will be the first to escape, and we will have the least consequences compared to all the big economies. We will be able to increase our zone of influence, will improve our image by helping the rest of the world and will buy western companies on half the price.
I'm sure the meeting didn't last too long.

 

[dalab]

My speculation about the Sars cov 2 worldwide...

Of all the conspiracy theories it is the one that sounds probable, the sad thing is just that

 

[TheNewBATMAN]

Doctors at a Paris hospital claim to have found evidence a patient who got sick in December was infected with the novel coronavirus.

If verified, it may show the virus was circulating in Europe as early as December. The first reports of Covid-19 in France were reported on Jan. 24, in two people who had a history of travel to Wuhan, China.

“Covid-19 was already spreading in France in late December 2019, a month before the official first cases in the country,” the team at Groupe Hospitalier Paris Seine in Saint-Denis wrote.
Yves Cohen and colleagues at the Paris hospital decided to check the records of patients who got sick before the Jan. 24 cases to see if the virus may have been spreading undetected earlier than first thought.

The French team looked at people admitted to the hospital with flu-like illnesses between Dec. 2 and Jan. 16 who were not subsequently diagnosed with influenza. The doctors re-tested samples stored in a freezer for coronavirus.

“One sample was positive, taken from a 42-year-old man born in Algeria, who lived in France for many years and worked as a fishmonger,” the team wrote in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents.

“His last trip was in Algeria during August 2019,” they wrote. The man had not been to China, and one of his children had also been sick, the team reported.

“Identifying the first infected patient is of great epidemiological interest as it changes dramatically our knowledge regarding SARS-COV-2 and its spreading in the country. Moreover, the absence of a link with China and the lack of recent travel suggest that the disease was already spreading among the French population at the end of December 2019,” they wrote.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Doctors at a Paris hospital claim to have found evi...

His wife was working with Chinese people. But anyway, be prepared of billions poured into the medical experts organisations and media in order to show China as 'not guilty'. Because the contrary would be the most expensive thing in the world ever and China will try everything possible to not let this happen. We will hear so many explanations from the WHO and thousands other medical and scientist personal how the origin is not from China.

 

[TheNewBATMAN]

Yeah, even I must prepare for a new world order.

My new cowl design is in the works with slittier eyes and more yellow elements

 

[Deleted member 1071]

...Whatever the final strategy is, it will involve a complex multi-lateral strategy...

Absolutely imperative should punitive measures against China be endeavoured. This will hold especially true should the modus operandi of halting debt servicing be pursued. Without uncompromising multilateral support in the form of a coalition of global economic/financial powerhouses, a unilateral approach by the U.S. could be likened to blowing ones' own foot off with a large-gauge shotgun-from the knee down. And as @chonkoa mentioned earlier, major recalibrations of supply chains could also be very effective. Perhaps both of these measures in tandem ?

And on a perhaps more philosophical note: A "blame game" may result in something that will evolve into disaster. The aftermath of WWI is a prime example. A major miscalculation that was part and parcel of the origins of WWII.

 

[Matski]

A "blame game" may result in something that will evolve into disaster.

A blame game is a dangerous waste of time. I'd imagine it is scientifically highly important to learn every single thing we can about the origins of the virus and other such potential sources... that has actual value. If there's responsibility left resting on China's shoulders then so be it, but I'll bet whatever I've got in my bitcoin account that politicians around the world will use that outcome to deflect attention from their own short-comings, and I'd bet whatever I've got left in my Lei account, that some politicians will make getting back what they are 'owed' by China a campaign promise, and potentially get elected off the back of it... which I'd find pretty disgusting to be honest, it gives them an opportunity to be cowardly... and to not own the decisions they clearly took to put the economy before lives... (yes, I'm referring to my own government here), which is a decision I'm sure many would actually understand and/or support, but instead blaming China, blaming the WHO, blaming other countries, means they get to pretend they care, whilst not actually doing so. It makes China the bogeyman, instead of our utter ineptitude in preparing for something we effectively knew was coming, and our governments decade long campaign to de-resource the NHS.

Trump will, I'm sure, use every ounce of this situation to justify measures against China that further his goal of redressing the trade deficit. I'd imagine he'll highlight the great cost of this pandemic, and leave that at China's doorstep, whilst his citizens march in state capitals, brandishing guns and signs that say give me liberty or give me death... because those citizens simply will not comply with lock-down measures, demonstrating that the absolute bedrock belief in Freedom in the US will undermine this, and any future outbreak's, effective mitigation.

Europe.. who knows... the pandemic will mask much of the Brexit impact in the UK, but I've no idea what the situation on the continent will be like... Russia too is interesting... communist bed-fellow, or commanding foe? Who knows....

I just think we need to ensure the people we as individuals are responsible for electing, absolutely have to be held accountable for their actions, and any other Blame Game is a 'Get out of Jail free card' for them... they should not be allowed to counter any criticism with "... yes but the virus came from China".

 

[WBarnes]

Doctors at a Paris hospital claim to have found evi...

The first COVID-19 case in China was in November.

First Covid-19 case happened in November, China government records show - report

His wife was working with Chinese people. But...

I think it's important though. Without punishment there's nothing to stop China doing the same thing next time there's an outbreak, i.e. just sit back and wait till it spreads outside China.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

...but I'll bet whatever I've got in my bitcoin account that politicians around the world will use that outcome to deflect attention from their own short-comings...

Indeed.