COVID-19 Coronavirus General Thread

[WBarnes]

What we know and do not know about C.1.2: The 'most mutant of all mutant variants' of COVID-19 found to date

Mutation rate of C.1.2 seen as 'nearly twice as fast' as other known variants

gulfnews.com

 

[WBarnes]

So, should the UK vaccinate 12-15 year-olds. My thought is 'yes', due to being potential carriers and the risk of mutation.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

So, should the UK vaccinate 12-15 year-olds. My thought is 'yes', due to being potential carriers and the risk of mutation.

But the vaccination doesn't stop them from being carriers.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

So, should the UK vaccinate 12-15 year-olds. My thought is 'yes', due to being potential carriers and the risk of mutation.

That's a very controversial issue, primarily due to the yet unknown possible genotypical consequences. A difficult decision for those who find themselves in the family-planning phase of their lives as well.

 

[EnI]

But the vaccination doesn't stop them from being carriers.

There's no perfect measure, perfect tool against COVID. No measure is 100% effective, including the vaccines. But lots of different measures together gives you the desired, satisfying result. Everything counts!

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

There's no perfect measure, perfect tool against COVID. No measure is 100% effective, including the vaccines. But lots of different measures together gives you the desired, satisfying result. Everything counts!

Not when vaccinating children. I would never let my kids be vaccinated with some of the existing vaccines at least until they have passed all the test and received all the approvals. There is no use of vaccinating children. Even vaccinated they still are contageous and the risk of side effects of the vaccine are almost as big as the risk for them from going through a Covid infection.

 

[WBarnes]

But the vaccination doesn't stop them from being carriers.

It reduces the risk of them spreading it significantly though.

Not when vaccinating children. I would never let my kids be vaccinated with some of the existing vaccines at least until they have passed all the test and received all the approvals. There is no use of vaccinating children. Even vaccinated they still are contageous and the risk of side effects of the vaccine are almost as big as the risk for them from going through a Covid infection.

Complex balance, the risks are low and we've consistently been advised that not vaccinating and not rolling out out vaccines to developing nations risks mutations. If the mutations kill thousands, heck maybe millions if we get SARS_CoV3, how many 15+ year-old lives is the health of one 12-15 year-old worth?

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

It reduces the risk of t

According to recent surveys the peak virus load is equal for both vaccinated and not vaccinated children. The difference is that affter the peak when the kid is vaccinated the liad decreases sharply, while with the not vaccinated it continue to be high another couple of days, which I regard as insugnificant, because that kid is supposed to be quaranteened.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Wrong question. The peopke that are in risk should be vaccinated. And since the vaccinated kids are also vulnerable of being infected in what way will the vaccination stop the mutation?

 

[Big Sam]

I only ever had one jab as I had the Janssen vaccine.

 

[WBarnes]

According to recent surveys the peak virus load is equal for both vaccinated and not vaccinated children. The difference is that affter the peak when the kid is vaccinated the liad decreases sharply, while with the not vaccinated it continue to be high another couple of days, which I regard as insugnificant, because that kid is supposed to be quaranteened.

There's a difference between someone who is coughing their guts up and someone who isn't though.

Wrong question. The peopke that are in risk should be vaccinated. And since the vaccinated kids are also vulnerable of being infected in what way will the vaccination stop the mutation?

According to the experts rolling out the vaccine faster reduces the risk of mutation.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

According to the experts rolling out the vaccine faster reduces the risk of mutation.

But don't forget that the vaccine also forces the virus to mutate in order to defeat it.

 

[Dauer]

But don't forget that the vaccine also forces the virus to mutate in order to defeat it.

That's not how mutations work.
Mutations is by chance.

 

[EnI]

But don't forget that the vaccine also forces the virus to mutate in order to defeat it.

Not more then your own healthy & effective immune system does it anyway.

Vaccines actually reduce the virus mutation risks since due to vaccination immune response is a) faster, b) stronger and c) therefore more efficient. But when you get infected by a virus for the first time your own immune system has to figure out on its own, impromptu, how to deal with the virus & the infection. In some people such fight is very efficient in some is not - and in those people virus has a chance to mutate & escape. Mind: the longer the fight in your body goes on, the more chances virus has to adopt, to mutate & to escape & spread around!

What a vaccine does is it prepares & train your immune system to quickly & efficiently respond to a virus invasion. To think vaccines boost virus' chance to mutate is moronic. Virus mutations are much more present in hosts who are dealing with the patogen the first time. While due to vaccination your immune system identifies the pathogen (it's S-protein) instantly, thus reducing chances for mutation.

But mind SARS-CoV-2 already has some incredible mechanisms when it comes to the immune system evasion - within its in-cell replication mechanism. Very similar mechanism eg. HIV & herpes viruses have. Eg. ability to hide its mRNAs inside the mitochondria wall (creating protective bubbles) so the in-cell immune mechanisms can't be triggered. Or eg. creating multicore cell structures (syncytia) by merging the infected cells for much more effective virus replication. There are also some indications SAC2 is able to merge infected cells with lymphocytes (and create such syncytia) to avoid immune response completely - that's a mechanism cancer cells / tumors are capable of. And that's f... scary! SARS-CoV-2 is a very, very nasty virus.

That's not how mutations work.
Mutations is by chance.

True. The better chances & environment for replication the virus has, the greater is a chance for mutation to be created, to be such to evade the immune system & to escape to host's body & spread around. So, the quicker your immune system deals with teh virus & destroys it, the lower chances the virus has for its replication within your cells and thus for mutations. And vaccines help to train your immune system to be more prepared to deal with the virus when it invades your body. Vaccines are good for you, not bad.

 

[WBarnes]

That's not how mutations work.
Mutations is by chance.

Yep, mutations are random, whether they thrive depends on whether they help the virus survive.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Vaccines are good for you, not bad.

As always you can not get it. I don't say the vaccines are bad. I just say, as a father, that it is moronic to vaccinate children, when the vaccine is not fully tested. I dount Mengele had such a test field to conduct his experiments, as they do today with the push to vaccinate children.

 

[Dauer]

As always you can not get it. I don't say the vaccines are bad. I just say, as a father, that it is moronic to vaccinate children, when the vaccine is not fully tested. I dount Mengele had such a test field to conduct his experiments, as they do today with the push to vaccinate children.

It is as well tested as other vaccines

 

[EnI]

As always you can not get it. I don't say the vaccines are bad. I just say, as a father, that it is moronic to vaccinate children, when the vaccine is not fully tested. I dount Mengele had such a test field to conduct his experiments, as they do today with the push to vaccinate children.

Yet you have no problem feeding them shitty (iffy regulated, produced, processed & controlled) food & drinks, with tons of additives. Go figure.

As for tests ... test trials have been done for children above certain age, and the vaccines have been proven safe enough. An more & more people & children are getting vaccinated every day, and severe side effects are extremely rare. "Long term effects of the vaccines"? Vaccines effects lasts few weeks - when virus S-protein is being synthesised in your body, and being present there until you immune system reacts to it and clear it out of your body. At least mRNA vaccines do not include anything iffy & harmful & toxic.

 

[Matski]

Yet you have no problem feeding them shitty (iffy regulated, produced, processed & controlled) food & drinks, with tons of additives. Go figure.

To be fair, I doubt you know this to be a fact. You're not wrong that people focusing on the approval status of this vaccine, and not questioning anything else lack credibility, but you are making an assumption.

 

[martinbo]

Got my 2nd jab on the 26th of August. Right as rain.