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GTA7.5 said:
Why are the reports so bad here in the US.:t-hands:
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Because your models tend to come with more electronic options (better equipped). Here in Europe, most MB's are pretty basic and have less of the fancy electronic gadgets which are causing so many problems. A base ML280 CDI for example will have manually adjustable seats as opposed to the ML350's fully electronically adjustable seats in the US.

You still need to order a navigation system for example on an E550 for example (standard on the E550 in the US I believe). :eek2:
 
I had a conversation w/ a friend tonight about this. He knows how much I love BMW's and doesn't quite get it (claims he's a car enthusiast, though he really isn't in any way), he told me anything a 5 series could do an Avalon could do better, based primarily off of the fact how reliable Toyota's are and that BMW is nothing more than a "status symbol" (that bit was really really irritating, it's the cars that are status symbols, it's the people that use them that way - don't blame BMW engineers for building cars that people love to drive
). He had nothing more to further bolster his argument other than that, he says it can get you to point A to point B the same way. I couldn't help but just listen because he's the type that doesn't like to listen to others, but to continue on w/ his own thoughts about what he "thinks" he knows. A BMW gets you from point A to point B but does so much more; fluid handling, good ergonomics, industry leading technology, passionate performance and engineering, and some of the best safety features available on any car on the market (the list continues too). All of this translates into a car built for the enthusiast crowd (people that love cars and love to drive) that goes beyond what most ask for in a car. I went on to tell him that if he cared one thing about cars he'd get it, and that BMW's aren't built for everyone (people that can't make sense of why you pay the premium - that's why you buy Toyota's).
 
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I had a conversation w/ a friend tonight about this. He knows how much I love BMW's and doesn't quite get it (claims he's a car enthusiast, though he really isn't in any way), he told me anything a 5 series could do an Avalon could do better, based primarily off of the fact how reliable Toyota's are and that BMW is nothing more than a "status symbol" (that bit was really really irritating, it's the cars that are status symbols, it's the people that use them that way - don't blame BMW engineers for building cars that people love to drive
). He had nothing more to further bolster his argument other than that, he says it can get you to point A to point B the same way. I couldn't help but just listen because he's the type that doesn't like to listen to others, but to continue on w/ his own thoughts about what he "thinks" he knows. A BMW gets you from point A to point B but does so much more; fluid handling, good ergonomics, industry leading technology, passionate performance and engineering, and some of the best safety features available on any car on the market (the list continues too). All of this translates into a car built for the enthusiast crowd (people that love cars and love to drive) that goes beyond what most ask for in a car. I went on to tell him that if he cared one thing about cars he'd get it, and that BMW's aren't built for everyone (people that can't make sense of why you pay the premium - that's why you buy Toyota's).
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Ever since Toyota has been performing well in JD Powers, their FANBOYS (fanboys, NOT fans: big difference between the two) are spewing so much silly stuff about how a Toyota is the best car in the world. This talk seriously irritates me because Toyota's have never been cars designed with passion in mind. They're cars for people who aren't as enthusiastic about cars (or not enthusiasts at all) who just want something reliable and affordable.

A BMW for example is all about passion: the passion of driving. Communicating with the car and having the car communicate with you. You don't get that feeling in most Toyota's. I've driven a handful of Toyota's (Corolla, Tamaraw, Celica and a few others) and none of them even gave me a feeling of excitement. None. Yet, you have Toyota and Lexus fanboys claiming crap like the IS350 being better than the BMW 330i because it is "faster in a straight line". I've even heard outrageous comments about the IS "handling better than the BMW 3-Series". :t-crazy2:

This BS talk about the Avalon ain't new to me. On some forums (not Autospies), the fanboys say that instead of getting a 5-Series or E-Class, one should just get an Avalon because it offers more luxury than those "German POS". These people seriously annoy me. :t-banghea

I'm sure others will agree with me that Toyota fanboys are on a high horse right now. :t-crazy2:

I usually ignore them since I know they're either trolls or incredibly narrow minded / stupid. ;)
 
It's hard to ignore the trolls and even when you do they just believe that you have nothing to say and that they won. :t-crazy2:
 
Yannis said:
It's hard to ignore the trolls and even when you do they just believe that you have nothing to say and that they won. :t-crazy2:
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Toyota fanboys always criticize other brands, but they can't admit that their brand has faults namely making extremely BORING cars with dull and uninspiring designs (as well as a few others). :D

I'm a Benz fan, and I am the first to admit that my favorite brand has issues. Being open and honest is the best way to go. Besides, one can only learn from ones mistakes: the same applies to car companys.
 
I don't really agree with none of American top smth cars, and I don't like these things in general!

Ignoring the fanboys: easy, stick to GCF, I'm not even paying attention to what these guys say! As Cristian said, being open and honest is the best way to go - I couldn't agree more with you!
 
Deutsch said:
I had a conversation w/ a friend tonight about this. He knows how much I love BMW's and doesn't quite get it (claims he's a car enthusiast, though he really isn't in any way), he told me anything a 5 series could do an Avalon could do better, based primarily off of the fact how reliable Toyota's are and that BMW is nothing more than a "status symbol" (that bit was really really irritating, it's the cars that are status symbols, it's the people that use them that way - don't blame BMW engineers for building cars that people love to drive
). He had nothing more to further bolster his argument other than that, he says it can get you to point A to point B the same way. I couldn't help but just listen because he's the type that doesn't like to listen to others, but to continue on w/ his own thoughts about what he "thinks" he knows. A BMW gets you from point A to point B but does so much more; fluid handling, good ergonomics, industry leading technology, passionate performance and engineering, and some of the best safety features available on any car on the market (the list continues too). All of this translates into a car built for the enthusiast crowd (people that love cars and love to drive) that goes beyond what most ask for in a car. I went on to tell him that if he cared one thing about cars he'd get it, and that BMW's aren't built for everyone (people that can't make sense of why you pay the premium - that's why you buy Toyota's).
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To tell you the truth, he is not completely wrong. Sometimes the only thing you need is four wheels and a seat so that you can get from point A to point B. And i will give you as an example myself. this is what takes me to work everyday. a 10 minute drive. I don't need anything more. No technology, no style no nothing
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but for the rest of the times i will drive i will take the volvo which is loaded with technology, style and all the things you said.
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PS. Your friend might be jealous of you, and so he is bashing BMW :D
 
Yannis said:
It's hard to ignore the trolls and even when you do they just believe that you have nothing to say and that they won. :t-crazy2:
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Yeah, the old saying that arguing on the internet is like playing chess with a pigeon (it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flys back to its flock to claim victory) is too often true. ;)
 
7.3 AMG said:
I just wanted to thank you for that comment, because as you know i'm a big Lexus, but i am no fanboy,
I'm am a fan :) and there's a difference
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Then you must be the most well informed and intelligent Lexus fan in the world.:usa7uh:
 
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Excuse me but when did German products got associated with passion?
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Isn't BMW's slogan "Freude am Fahren"? This means "Pleasure while Driving". :confused:

I was comparing the driving characteristics of a Toyota to a BMW. The BMW hands down is the more involving car and clearly more fun. The way the engine sounds and rev's, the precision steering etc. give the driver a feeling that the car has character. You don't get that in a Toyota. The mid 1990s Celica I drove didn't feel like anything special.

Also, design. Toyota's style has often been criticized as bland. Not only have many members here stated this (as well as on other forums), I've read the same thing in a number of professional reviews. Toyota's are excellent cars, no doubt, but they don't invoke a passion that you get with most European cars - or other Japanese cars. Someone on another board hit the nail: Toyota's are boring cars for boring people. This isn't a generalization, but you have to admit, passion and Toyota don't really mix well.

My ex-1992 Mitsubishi Galant GTI had loads more character than that '90s Celica - or even my family's ex-1996 Mitsubishi Pajero 2500 Turbodiesel, which took a whooping 30 seconds to reach 100 km/h. :eusa_danc
 
Chris, I think ojis is referring to Italian cars for example. German cars don't have the similar kind of passion as Italian cars. Although the quality in Italian cars hasn't usually been in the same level with the Germans, they sure do know how to make engines that have the characteristics of a wild stallion or a fighting bull. :bowdown: And as we know the engine is the heart of the car. ;)
 
Passion is not an easy word to use.

When you see a N/A engine that revs up to 8.250rpm and produces 507hp then it is passion. But a MB fully loaded with technology, buttons, lights and staff, then it is not passion. It is just pure technological advance. IMO german cars combine both technology and passion and make a nice mix. No more passion than technology and vice versa!
 
bmer said:
Chris, I think ojis is referring to Italian cars for example. German cars don't have the similar kind of passion as Italian cars. Although the quality in Italian cars hasn't usually been in the same level with the Germans, they sure do know how to make engines that have the characteristics of a wild stallion or a fighting bull. :bowdown: And as we know the engine is the heart of the car. ;)
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True, Italian cars are often noted as being passionate in design etc. German cars do have their own form of passion one way or the other, even though German cars are more noted for engineering. BMW and Porsche are about the passion of driving for instance. ;)

What was that old saying about cars? Did it go something like this?

Italians = design
Germans = engineering
French = innovation
British = interiors
Americans = power
Japanese = value

???
 

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