Not surprised with MB, the aggressive expansion, cost cutting is biting into its reputation.
Mr. Mercedes
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What are the they defining as ‘reliability’? My current BMW and previous Audi were anything but.
SKY
Kraftwagen König
Yep, anyone can come and give a couple of personal examples about how an average does not apply to our own experience.
Mr. Mercedes
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cawimmer430
Piston Pioneer
I have a very low opinion of Consumer Reports and JD Powers anyway. Their ranking system changes so massively every year it's hard to follow them, much less take them seriously. They also never explain the degrees of problems which owners experience, how minor or major they are.
For example, if a Honda is on the top with 1 problem per year, but a Fiat is at the bottom with 3 problems per year, most readers will automatically assume that the Honda is more reliable. But what if the Honda was in the shop for two weeks waiting for a brand new expensive transmission to come from Japan whereas the Fiat just suffered from a defective taillight bulb, a broken glove box lock and a cracked window which would eventually need to be replaced - but in no way was the driveability of the car affected? It does not matter, right? Because the ranking says Honda 1 problem, Fiat 3 problems. Honda good, Fiat bad.
Plus, what is reliability? Ask ten people and you will get ten different answers. Some people expect everything to work and others just want the car to start and not break down and don't care if something non-essential like the A/C or passenger side window suddenly stop working.
Some owners throw a tantrum if they can't figure out how to change the volume on their infotainment system, which Consumer Reports apparently now ranks as a "quality/reliability" issue of the car.
That I believe. You know why? Because I remember something from a few years ago when Consumer Reports gave the Hummer H2 poor quality marks because - GET THIS! - "Owners were surprised at the poor fuel economy." Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!?
Here's another one. They gave some Ford SUV poor quality marks because owners couldn't open the trunk lid to its full extent when they were parked inside their garage with the rear towards the wall... Umm? What's next? Car XYZ gets poor quality marks because owners were annoyed that it ran out of gas when the fuel gauge moved past empty?
There was something from a few months involving a Consumer Reports Not Recommended 2017 list. I can't remember the car, but I remember Consumer Reports mentioning that owners were dissatisfied with how the car handled. Um... do people test drive cars before buying them? If I don't like the way a car handles, looks, feels etc. then I won't buy it. Period.
My advice? BUY THE CAR THAT YOU LIKE. Period. All modern cars are very reliable and break-downs are rare. My 2007 BMW 118i and the modern Mercedes' which my old folks owned (2002 E320 W211) and currently own 2010 E350 CGI W212 (fully-loaded, 200,000 km+) have been problem-free and not at all expensive to keep running. But according to the ICE (Internet Car Experts - who usually troll around Youtube videos and love to hate on anything European) German cars supposedly self-destruct after 3-5 years...
For example, if a Honda is on the top with 1 problem per year, but a Fiat is at the bottom with 3 problems per year, most readers will automatically assume that the Honda is more reliable. But what if the Honda was in the shop for two weeks waiting for a brand new expensive transmission to come from Japan whereas the Fiat just suffered from a defective taillight bulb, a broken glove box lock and a cracked window which would eventually need to be replaced - but in no way was the driveability of the car affected? It does not matter, right? Because the ranking says Honda 1 problem, Fiat 3 problems. Honda good, Fiat bad.
Plus, what is reliability? Ask ten people and you will get ten different answers. Some people expect everything to work and others just want the car to start and not break down and don't care if something non-essential like the A/C or passenger side window suddenly stop working.
Some owners throw a tantrum if they can't figure out how to change the volume on their infotainment system, which Consumer Reports apparently now ranks as a "quality/reliability" issue of the car.
That I believe. You know why? Because I remember something from a few years ago when Consumer Reports gave the Hummer H2 poor quality marks because - GET THIS! - "Owners were surprised at the poor fuel economy." Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!?
Here's another one. They gave some Ford SUV poor quality marks because owners couldn't open the trunk lid to its full extent when they were parked inside their garage with the rear towards the wall... Umm? What's next? Car XYZ gets poor quality marks because owners were annoyed that it ran out of gas when the fuel gauge moved past empty?
There was something from a few months involving a Consumer Reports Not Recommended 2017 list. I can't remember the car, but I remember Consumer Reports mentioning that owners were dissatisfied with how the car handled. Um... do people test drive cars before buying them? If I don't like the way a car handles, looks, feels etc. then I won't buy it. Period.
My advice? BUY THE CAR THAT YOU LIKE. Period. All modern cars are very reliable and break-downs are rare. My 2007 BMW 118i and the modern Mercedes' which my old folks owned (2002 E320 W211) and currently own 2010 E350 CGI W212 (fully-loaded, 200,000 km+) have been problem-free and not at all expensive to keep running. But according to the ICE (Internet Car Experts - who usually troll around Youtube videos and love to hate on anything European) German cars supposedly self-destruct after 3-5 years...
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