M5 BMW M5 (F90) - Spy Pics & Info

[klier]

It would be one hell of an achievement even if the new F90 M5 is just 1kg's lighter than the F10 M5.

1 kg off would not be much of an achievement imo, considering the only thing that will be added is AWD, and that sure as hell is not going to weigh that much. The F10 M5 was around 1950 kg EU, I expect the G30 M5 to be well below 1900 kg EU, considering the weight difference between a comparable F10 and G30....

For reference, the E63 S AMG weighs 1955 kg EU. So the M5 will be below 1900 kg EU. The weight difference will be 50 kg in favor of the M5 at the very least.

Sub 3.5s I believe as per the earlier post. So it means it is below 3.5s.

And I'd like to add that (obviously) 0-60 MPH is not equal to 0-100 km/h. You generally have to add 0.2 seconds to the 0-60 MPH time to get to the km/h time.

 

[hovabongZA]

1 kg off would not be much of an achievement imo, considering the only thing that will be added is AWD, and that sure as hell is not going to weigh that much. The F10 M5 was around 1950 kg EU, I expect the G30 M5 to be well below 1900 kg EU, considering the weight difference between a comparable F10 and G30....

For reference, the E63 S AMG weighs 1955 kg EU. So the M5 will be below 1900 kg EU. The weight difference will be 50 kg in favor of the M5 at the very least.
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I beg to differ, the F90 M5 will have more standard equipment than the F10 M5, it will be wider and longer and will also have AWD and the heavier 8 speed automatic compared to the DCT.
Everything points at the new M5 being considerably heavier than the F10, if BMW manage to make it weigh the same or even 1kg's lighter its an incredible achievement.

I can't think of many RWD cars that introduced AWD and still managed to be lighter than its predecessor. If BMW manage this it will be a first , how can that not be an achievement ?

 

[klier]

I beg to differ, the F90 M5 will have more standard equipment than the F10 M5, it will be wider and longer and will also have AWD and the heavier 8 speed automatic compared to the DCT.
Everything points at the new M5 being considerably heavier than the F10, if BMW manage to make it weigh the same or even 1kg's lighter its an incredible achievement.

The difference will be like a regular F10 vs a regular G30. The G30 is also better equipped, bigger and whatnot. G30 chassis is much lighter, the M5 will have a carbon roof, and there's probably more weight saving measures, simply because the weight of the F10 M5 was one of it's biggest downsides.

So to me, a 1 kg (or close) weight difference would be a severe let down. And very, very far from an incredible achievement.

Simply put, they can add or remove all they want, but the end result is what counts. Adding a whole bunch of extra equipment in terms of AWD and auto box is nice and all (or not), but the final weight of the car is what's more important than anything.

 

[Matski]

On the G30 520d, 530i, 540i, xDrive adds 80kg, 55kg and 65kg respectively. The weight saving between the G30 and F10 is roughly 100kg... clearly this really varies depending on spec/model, and seems to be less the further up the range you get. If there are weight savings to be had from things like CFRP roof, then I can imagine it might offset the weight of the AWD, possibly leaving the M5 lighter this time thanks to the platform... the G30 M550i xDrive weighs 20kg less than the RWD F10 550i- so there is hope.

 

[klier]

^ G30 M5 will be < 1900 kg EU

At least, that's my bet: At least 50 kg less heavy than the E63 S AMG.

 

[hovabongZA]

The difference will be like a regular F10 vs a regular G30. The G30 is also better equipped, bigger and whatnot. G30 chassis is much lighter, the M5 will have a carbon roof, and there's probably more weight saving measures, simply because the weight of the F10 M5 was one of it's biggest downsides.

So to me, a 1 kg (or close) weight difference would be a severe let down. And very, very far from an incredible achievement.

Simply put, they can add or remove all they want, but the end result is what counts. Adding a whole bunch of extra equipment in terms of AWD and auto box is nice and all (or not), but the final weight of the car is what's more important than anything.

I still say that BMW fans are the most loyal , but also the most critical.

If car A,B and C all introduce AWD and get heavier , but car X introduces AWD but manages to maintain its weight I deem that as an achievement.

If the peliminary figure of 1850kg becomes official I'd be very happy and appreciate the effort because that says to me they've put in the extra work by not just slapping in an AWD system then calling it a day. Keeping weight down especially on a car introducing AWD is an unpopular and expensive exercise and I appreciate BMW for doing that.

 

[klier]

If car A,B and C all introduce AWD and get heavier , but car X introduces AWD but manages to maintain its weight I deem that as an achievement.

Car A and car B are not important. Important is how much the new M5 weighs when compared to the car that came before. If it weighs the same as before, give or take a kg, it simply is a failure. Adding new and more equipment to a new car happens every single time, but taking weight off the car while still adding extra stuff is what it's all about...

 

[hovabongZA]

Car A and car B are not important. Important is how much the new M5 weighs when compared to the car that came before. If it weighs the same as before, give or take a kg, it simply is a failure. Adding new and more equipment to a new car happens every single time, but taking weight off the car while still adding extra stuff is what it's all about...

So if the F90 weighs in 50kg lighter than the F10 M5 will that be acceptable ?

 

[klier]

Yes. To me it would be. Below 1900 kg EU for a 600+ hp AWD monster sedan is not too shabby.

 

[mini_cooper4]

EPS instead of hydraulic as in the F10 M5 is another HUGE loss that will shave some weight.

 

[hovabongZA]

Yes. To me it would be. Below 1900 kg EU for a 600+ hp AWD monster sedan is not too shabby.

Yes. To me it would be. Below 1900 kg EU for a 600+ hp AWD monster sedan is not too shabby.

If the F90 is 1900kg and considering that the F10 M5 is 1945kg heavier a difference of only 45kg is surely insignificant when it will have more power , more torque and a standard AWD system.

Without working with a similar tub as the i8 getting the weight down on the M5 was always going to be difficult , so as a fan one might be dissapointed , but from a technical point of 1945kg including xDrive will be one hell of an achievement.

Let's wait for the official reveal to really go at it.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

And then let's see what the car ACTUALLY weighs.

 

[hovabongZA]

And then let's see what the car ACTUALLY weighs.

Basically let's wait for Autobild, Sport Auto and Auto Express ,they are one of the few publications who take the time to actually weigh the cars instead of quoting factory stats.

 

[maragulon]

Upcoming F90 BMW M5 Sheds More Camo During Nurburgring Testing

 

[klier]

Hmmm....the shape of the front bumper is really becoming visible now....

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

My bet is F90 is going to weigh at least 100 kg less than MB E63S (like with the other comparable models of these two series), so less than 1850 EU kg. ZF 8 speed automatic transmission is not heavier than the 7 speed Getrag DCT, and I believe that the all wheel drive system will have carbon driveshafts which will reduce the added weight

 

[klier]

My bet is F90 is going to weigh at least 100 kg less than MB E63S (like with the other comparable models of these two series), so less than 1850 EU kg

At least 100 kg less is maybe a bit too much. But around 100 kg is definitely what I think.

 

[tomazino]

EU weight of M550i is 1885kg. I guess that M5 will be 20-30 kg more. Do not forget that V8 in E63 is lighter than 4.4L V8 in M5.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

EU weight of M550i is 1885kg. I guess that M5 will be 20-30 kg more. Do not forget that V8 in E63 is lighter than 4.4L V8 in M5.

I have never seen separate information for the weight of these two engines. BMW engine could be with a bigger volume 0,4 cm3, but this doesnt necessarily mean that its heavier, and the ZF transmission is much lighter than the MB automatic transmission

 

[klier]

EU weight of M550i is 1885kg. I guess that M5 will be 20-30 kg more. Do not forget that V8 in E63 is lighter than 4.4L V8 in M5.

The V8 in the AMG might be lighter, but it would pretty much be the only part of the car that would be lighter. Those supposed 20-30 additional kgs of the M5 engine are taken off again with a lighter chassis and additional weight saving measures like the carbon roof (ok, the roof is maybe 5 kg, but still)

I have never seen separate information for the weight of these two engines.

Me neither, who is going to find the numbers???