Vs BMW ///M vs AMG, Who tunes better?

[Merc1]

Difference in small..but its there..you cant say thats not true,mate .
I didnt say AMG is no good,I would be mad to say that..but M is by a tip of the spear ahead in most cases..IMO off course .

The difference being there is irrelevant and it isn't the subject in question, the entire world knows that there is a difference. The nonsense part is this about AMG being a styling package and handling like "crap", like they're Cadillacs or Buicks.

M

 

[LaArtist]

Yeah i think we can drop that now
that its just MB´s with fancy styling and big engines..
To say that about the new AMG´s is just Wrong..

 

[Tarek]

There's just some hefty BS goin on here seriously

 

[Steve]

Some people in this post are talking about M being the purer sports car with more finnessse, the better drivers car blah blah blah. ALL that talk is for very experienced track/race drivers and not the average driver, the average driver wouldnt come close to either cars maximum capabilities.

Only at maximum attack does the M3 show better balance through the corners compared to say the C63.( I'll use the M3 vs C63 as i have personnal experience with them.) The average driver would lap any given circuit quicker in an AMG than thay would in an M. Why do i say this?? cause ive now driven both The M3 and the C63 around Donnington Park in the UK. The C63 is easier to pilot as the gearbox is wonderful to use, is considerably quicker in the strights and unless your 110% commited to race is, just as quick in the bends.

A friend and i drove both cars back to back and both of us could drive the C63 quicker ( allbeit i was the quickest).
I'm not saying a didnt enjoy the M3 because i did... alot. However everytime i stepped into the C63 i became giddy,( the feel the NOISE omg the noise ) and everytime i got out, i just wanted to get back in. I didnt have those fellings for the M. It just doesnt have the same presence about it.

The tyres also make a big differnce to a car, all M cars come with pilot sports, which are a fantastic tyre, some AMG come with yokos which are pretty shit compared to the michelin. So M give the customer a better tyre which should be congratulated and AMG should do the same thing which they dont.

When the C63 has an lsd and sports suspension it was just as fast as the M3 around hockenheim, i just think AMG feel more of there customers will drive on the motorway and not track. M tends to have a younger demographic ( the petulance of youth eh!) and they are constantly trying to relive the E30 and they get further away each model they bring out.

oh and one last thing before i bore myself anymore anyone who buys an M3 or C63 will be very happy. Both companies have produced products to be very proud of.

 

[Zafiro]

I'll be driving the C63 next month until that day is a reality I have driven C32, E55, E63 and M3 E46, M3 E92, M5 E39, M5 E60 and M6. And I dont need a track to appreciate that M's are better drive than AMG.
Steering, brake feel, gearbox (+ a manual, DCT) (It's sad AMG do not offer a manual gearbox) and handling feels better and you feel more confident driving fast with them, also M feel very wellbalanced/neutral, more agile.
M are a better driving package than AMG in the hands of me and again, I dont need a track to decide that I prefer M over an AMG. I also prefer a highreeving engine where I can use the gearbox and switch gears often and I prefer that over a torque engine. Its very addicitve to play with the reevs, driving between 6000 rpm to +8000 rpm is great joy.

I'm a little bit nervous what is going to happen when the M cars is getting Turbo's which apparently is the future for upcoming M's.

I have also driven the new RS4. Members here often tend to forget about RS when in fact they are just as capable as M and AMG.
The RS4 is so stupidly safe that anyone can drive fast in the bends with them. For us average drivers this is the car you want to drive with on courvy roads and this is the car you can beat cocky AMG and M owners who think they are M. Schumacher. You have a bigger chance to be faster in the bends with a RS4 than the guys in AMG and M cars.
I'm not saying RS are more fun to drive than M and AMG but in the hands of average joy dont be surprised if you are beeing overtaken by a RS4 on a courvy road while driving your M3 or C63.


And who tunes better? Answer: No one.
Its question about personal taste, all three brands are very capable performance cars and I envy those with the money to buy them. You can't go wrong with any of them but I know what I would be driving if I had the cash and I also know why I would drive that particulary car. For its design, engine and how the car is to drive I'm sure you know what car I'm talking about.

 

[Steve]

I think this is a point of discussion that can never be settled. one mans torque is another mans revs.

In last weeks Autocar Steve Sutcliffe column ( taken over from Chris Harris) was about journolists free cars and hes just taken delivery of of a Lexus ISF which hes describes as having better steering an better engine and a better gearbox than the M3 dct!!!!! he says even thought he ISF is only an auto its shifts better than the dual clutch. His Final statement is that he would recommend the ISF over the M3 anyday...........

There is nothing queerer than folk

I'll still have the C63 mind

 

[Zafiro]

one mans torque is another mans revs.

This is poetry to me lovely sentence

In last weeks Autocar Steve Sutcliffe column ( taken over from Chris Harris) was about journolists free cars and hes just taken delivery of of a Lexus ISF which hes describes as having better steering an better engine and a better gearbox than the M3 dct!!!!! he says even thought he ISF is only an auto its shifts better than the dual clutch. His Final statement is that he would recommend the ISF over the M3 anyday...........

I'm pretty sure many will disagree with Steve S. Thats just one mans opinion out of many voices

I'll still have the C63 mind

You just revealed your next car and despite others opinions I know what car I have in mind (I wish I had the money to buy it ).

 

[Mr Robert]

I'm pretty sure many will disagree with Steve S. Thats just one mans opinion out of many voices

I think so too, that is the first time ever I have heard that opinion. But then again, take a look at my signature...

 

[Sunny]

The difference being there is irrelevant and it isn't the subject in question, the entire world knows that there is a difference. The nonsense part is this about AMG being a styling package and handling like "crap", like they're Cadillacs or Buicks.

M

Funny, the only one mentioning Buicks and Cadillacs in this thread is you. Guess someone enjoys errecting strawmans and vanquishing them.

 

[Steve]

I'm pretty sure many will disagree with Steve S. Thats just one mans opinion out of many voices

That was exactly the point i was making with the comment highlighted below

In last weeks Autocar Steve Sutcliffe column ( taken over from Chris Harris) was about journolists free cars and hes just taken delivery of of a Lexus ISF which hes describes as having better steering an better engine and a better gearbox than the M3 dct!!!!! he says even thought he ISF is only an auto its shifts better than the dual clutch. His Final statement is that he would recommend the ISF over the M3 anyday...........

There is nothing queerer than folk

 

[Mr Robert]

That was exactly the point i was making with the comment highlighted below

I'm really glad you finally found out what car to get. It seemed to be quite some task, did you not feel at home in the C63 right away? Is it that different from previous models?

 

[Merc1]

Funny, the only one mentioning Buicks and Cadillacs in this thread is you. Guess someone enjoys errecting strawmans and vanquishing them.

Nobody else has to mention them, the anology and implication is clear and it couldn't be more false. That is the point.

M

 

[Mr Robert]

Easy now, most (but of couse not all) find the handling better in the M3 than in the C63, that does not make the Mercedes act like a 70's Cadillac. Man, sometimes people just love to exaggerate everything...


Edit: Not

 

[Merc1]

No, the exaggeration is "handles like crap", hence the Cadillac reference. Same thing.

M

 

[Steve]

I'm really glad you finally found out what car to get. It seemed to be quite some task, did you not feel at home in the C63 right away? Is it that different from previous models?

I really liked the C63 form the off, it was a car that suited me perfectly as £60000 is my limit ive set myself for a car.

Then along comes the GTR and rewrites the rule books and i wanted one.

The order process turned into a lottery in the UK. I was a "preorder customer" i placed a £3500 deposit to get one of the first cars and when nissan turned it into a lottery i was allocated a date of sometime in the second quarter of 2010. Some people who ordered 3months after who were not pre order customers got allocated cars for April 2009. That for me is unacceptable. Lots of people canelled their orders. Thats why i turned back to the C63.

Actually Im glad now. I sat in the GTR at the London Motorshow at it feels cramped. The rear seats are not seats so it would be no good at transporting my family around.

The GTR was obviosly a very fast car but i just got caught up in the hype and it doesnt really suit my requirements. Wheras the C63/M3 type vehicle does perfectly.

We all know which i prefer. As a road car the C63 is the Better choice Jetro bovingdon/chris harris/ steve sutclifee all say so. At road speeds it simply does not understeer and from a to b will leave the M3 way behind. I know Andreas/sunny and others will now defend Ms honour but they are wrong. If you want the best road car the C63 is it.

 

[Mr Robert]

No, the exaggeration is "handles like crap", hence the Cadillac reference. Same thing.

M

That was what I meant...

 

[Sunny]

I really liked the C63 form the off, it was a car that suited me perfectly as £60000 is my limit ive set myself for a car.

Then along comes the GTR and rewrites the rule books and i wanted one.

The order process turned into a lottery in the UK. I was a "preorder customer" i placed a £3500 deposit to get one of the first cars and when nissan turned it into a lottery i was allocated a date of sometime in the second quarter of 2010. Some people who ordered 3months after who were not pre order customers got allocated cars for April 2009. That for me is unacceptable. Lots of people canelled their orders. Thats why i turned back to the C63.

Actually Im glad now. I sat in the GTR at the London Motorshow at it feels cramped. The rear seats are not seats so it would be no good at transporting my family around.

The GTR was obviosly a very fast car but i just got caught up in the hype and it doesnt really suit my requirements. Wheras the C63/M3 type vehicle does perfectly.

We all know which i prefer. As a road car the C63 is the Better choice Jetro bovingdon/chris harris/ steve sutclifee all say so. At road speeds it simply does not understeer and from a to b will leave the M3 way behind. I know Andreas/sunny and others will now defend Ms honour but they are wrong. If you want the best road car the C63 is it.

lol. I don't think M needs any defense, neither does C63, though reading this thread, one would think otherwise with certain people taking offense where none was there. Congrats on your C63. I saw one last week for the first time, it looks amazing, and I must admit way more aggressive than an M3. You are one lucky guy.

 

[Potential]

I would say the current M3 is more of the road car then the C63. Nearly all reviewers have named the ride of the C63 as hard to live as an everyday car. The M3 has appluaded for its handling andn comfort. Seems the perfect mix for a road car to me...

 

[Zafiro]

LoL I dont think people think AMG handle like garbage. Heck, even a front wheel Volvo C30 or a Golf GTI handle well, moreso than most people will ever need.

And to Steve, we are not wrong, not more than you. People have different taste and I know people testing both C63 and M3 and they found M3 to be a better roadcar than AMG. And with the new DCT gearbox its even better than a manual for everyday use.
No, It annoys me to hear when someone say you are wrong and I'm right, thats a little bit disrespectful. Again, its a matter of taste which is the best car. Some find the M3 to be the best roadcar, some think RS4, IS-F or C63 is the best roadcar. They are all right and who are we to tell them they are wrong and to tell them I know what's best for them.

 

[Steve]

LoL I dont think people think AMG handle like garbage. Heck, even a front wheel Volvo C30 or a Golf GTI handle well, moreso than most people will ever need.

And to Steve, we are not wrong, not more than you. People have different taste and I know people testing both C63 and M3 and they found M3 to be a better roadcar than AMG. And with the new DCT gearbox its even better than a manual for everyday use.
No, It annoys me to hear when someone say you are wrong and I'm right, thats a little bit disrespectful. Again, its a matter of taste which is the best car. Some find the M3 to be the best roadcar, some think RS4, IS-F or C63 is the best roadcar. They are all right and who are we to tell them they are wrong and to tell them I know what's best for them.

Andreas im sorry if i offended you. It was an inflammotary statement to wind you up a bit, to get a reaction. I didnt mean it as an insult