Vs BMW ///M vs AMG, Who tunes better?

[SKY]

I start this thread to read your opinions about it. I´ve always thought the M5 and the rest of M cars were legendary, handmade the first two generations of the M5, and with all they needed to be the cars of my dreams.

But actually you see videos, comprisions... And you see how C63 AMG is fastter and "beter" than M3, how the E 63 AMG state runs faster than M5 touring, or how the S 65 AMG has no rival on its segment.

So, the legendary ///Ms, or the actually more spectacular AMGs?.

 

[BMW///MPower]

I'll have an M car over an AMG car anytime. Just yesterday there was a comparison between the M3 and the C63 on tog gear and that made a few things clear.... If you want a car that goes real fast on a straight line but handles like sh**, than your choice would be the C63. If you want a well balanced car that handles great, and that is the fastest on a track you'll find the M car to be the perfect companion. Even the stig had to fight with the AMG to keep it on track, as did Clarkson... but indeed it's got a real big engine... but there'smore to cars then just the engine...
M cars still rule

 

[klier]

C63 'beter'? Says who? The only thing the C63 is better at is the straight line speed. For the rest the M3 is superior at everything. Much better car, much better chassis, MUCH better engine.

I'm leaving this thread because it will not end well if I stay
bye

 

[Centurion]

Oh god, you just opened Pandora's box. Neither is better, they all offer a different experience.

 

[LaArtist]

2 diffrent philosophys..
Me like AMG more..
But i dont think you can call these 2 tuners any more..they are more or less manufacturers..
They dont take existing bimmers or mercs and just tune them..
They make own engines..and more or less everything..
So yeah both rock..
But AMG more cause they make more cars and release them faster..
And as a car enthusiast you cant hate that

 

[Monster]

If you ask that a few years ago I would have said the BMW M, but now it isn't this easy because AMG has put in much more effort into their cars than before. For me it is impossible to pick which one is better because each of them offers their unique driving experience. However I have to say AMG does build more outrageous cars, the Black series cars are just awesome.

 

[Mr Robert]

This is like asking what brand you prefer. BMW fanboys will say that BMW builds the best engines and the Merc-dorks will opt for the engines produced by Mercedes.

Very hard to tell, BMW constantly recieve statements of praise for their engines from everywhere (ranging from owners to Engine of the Year awards) butthat does not mean that Mercedes produces lesser engines, just different in character.

 

[delatobi]

This is like asking what brand you prefer. BMW fanboys will say that BMW builds the best engines and the Merc-dorks will opt for the engines produced by Mercedes.

Very hard to tell, BMW constantly recieve statements of praise for their engines from everywhere (ranging from owners to Engine of the Year awards) butthat does not mean that Mercedes produces lesser engines, just different in character.

Right!

The one who likes M more than AMG will see the better advantages in cars of the M-GmbH, the one who has a favour for AMG will see this advantages.

But with each comparison, the main philosophy stays nearly the same. the amg is generally more comfortable, the m-car more sportive. also when the cars of mercedes-amg got more sportive than they have been years ago.

i am also in a german forum, and this theme got to an endless topic

you just have to say: f*** the m from bmw, amg is in each segment the better car

 

[chonkoa]

Engine department
I will give the node to the M-Team.
They have consistently delivered more performance per litre of engine displacement.
They have also consistently delivered engines that IMO rev higher and deliver better mpg than AMG.
M-Team always comes up engine wizardries ie varying the HP of the engine a la M5/M6, or varying the response of the throttle a la M3.

In my opinion , the M department approached engine development as a science, whilst AMG seems to adopt the "torque monster" approach.

Chassis Management

Without a doubt in my mind, the M departments is head above the AMG team.

 

[Zafiro]

Better is a question about taste. I like both AMG and M but I prefer M car over a AMG. If I had the money I know what I would be driving.

I've driven several AMG's and M's and I like the M's better. They are well-balanced and feels neutral to drive. M has enough acceleration and are fast enough for me. Steering, engine, gearbox has always been better than an AMG.
High-reeving engines, I love it. My concern is what is going to happen to M when they start using Turbos, no more highreeving engines?

 

[Tarek]

Oh god, you just opened Pandora's box. Neither is better, they all offer a different experience.

Yep and this will turn into fanboy war plus this is a very very old poll to have,that i won't even bother to reply to Klier's fanboy comment

 

[cawimmer430]

YAY FLAME WAR!

 

[castagna]

AMG. Their cars are designed to lead F1 races.

 

[Steve]

I agree M engines are some of the best in the world, 100+bhp/litre etc etc, but no torque to speak of also they have had a lot of practice.

AMGs first attempt at a full engine design and build, rather than using a Merc engine and pimping it is the 63 engine.

In its natural state of tune gives 525bhp AND 480lb/ft and manages to rev to 7300rpm IMO is AMAZING. It is truly an all round great engine, probbably one of the best engines on sale.

Even at those figures its unstresed. Add better breathing and a chip and it goes to 580bhp and 500lbft for me it MURDERS any m car engine.

But that of course is MY opinion.................................................................i hope this hasnt given away which car is arriving net month

 

[delatobi]

Even at those figures its unstresed. Add better breathing and a chip and it goes to 580bhp and 500lbft for me it MURDERS any m car engine.

Right!
you just have to look at the data of the new slc mercedes. this car even gets the 6,2l amg-engine

 

[klier]

Engine of the year 2008:

Results points

1. BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6) 218
2. Mercedes-AMG 6.2-litre (C, CLK, E, CLS, S, SL, ML, R) 183

Featuring some familiar entrants, the Above 4-litre category at the International Engine of the Year Awards 2008 sees BMW triumph for the fourth year in a row. It may have lost out to Porsche in the Best Performance Engine category, but the 5-litre has held off competition from Ferrari and Mercedes-AMG, the latter jumping from fifth in 2007 to runner-up this year.

The win here makes the 4,999cc powerplant the most successful in Awards history, passing its 3.2-litre inline six stablemate from the previous generation M3. With its nine trophies so far in four years, there is no reason why more accolades should not be bestowed on the V10.

 

[Tarek]

^ We're not gonna repeat all the engine awards discussions again Klier

 

[klier]

OK, ok, my friend

 

[Steve]

Engine of the year 2008:

Results points

1. BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6) 218
2. Mercedes-AMG 6.2-litre (C, CLK, E, CLS, S, SL, ML, R) 183

Featuring some familiar entrants, the Above 4-litre category at the International Engine of the Year Awards 2008 sees BMW triumph for the fourth year in a row. It may have lost out to Porsche in the Best Performance Engine category, but the 5-litre has held off competition from Ferrari and Mercedes-AMG, the latter jumping from fifth in 2007 to runner-up this year.

The win here makes the 4,999cc powerplant the most successful in Awards history, passing its 3.2-litre inline six stablemate from the previous generation M3. With its nine trophies so far in four years, there is no reason why more accolades should not be bestowed on the V10.

but I still prefer the AMG 6.2

 

[SCOTT27]

Here I use my wealth of experience and my directness to the question.

This is something that I say that people will and wont agree with me but in relation to BMW's success in each relevant category regarding the Engine of the year awards many ask why the competition get completely overlooked?

Well for one thing these awards are for innovation not immitation.
although the equivalent engine arrives with either more PS and Torque over the equivalent BMW powerplant , surely the newcomer should walk away with the reward?
Or so you think! Again it is innovation that is rewarded and there is no doubt that the competition has made the equivalent poweplant to perform better than the BMW engine , But this is something that many refuse to accept or wont accept is that whatever engine is first introduced by BMW then the competition goes one further in their quest of progress over the initial introductory powerplant.
But whether you are driving the new Turbo Audi or Turbo diesel Mercedes-Benz or V10 Audi RS models.
It is the fact that you are driving a car powered by an engine that although progressed through either Stuttgart or Ingolstadt was initially decided for you in a BMW boardroom in Munich. Ideas filter downward from the original question but there are some that either answer ,expand or ignore the question.