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None of that is true. Quattro is the best selling AWD system in the World as well. Audi BARELY sells FWD actually.

I think I need to correct you on this one, Audi probably sell more FWD than Quattro ones in the same way that they probably sell more diesel than petrol cars.

And no one was talking about FWD either. We all understand the limitations there. Though even that drivetrain configuration has seen HUGE improvements too. Like the Leon Cupra 280 lapping the Nurburgring faster than an M3 and C63...

Anyone who believes ANY one drivetrain setup is unequivocally best doesn't know enough about it.

This I do happen to agree with, each have their merits and limitations.
 
I think I need to correct you on this one, Audi probably sell more FWD than Quattro ones in the same way that they probably sell more diesel than petrol cars.

I think this just varies by market and what you guys see in your area. Statistically FWD makes up a minority share of Audi's sales. Here in the US it is very small. 20% or less as they don't really offer many FWD cars here anyhow.

I do know for a fact it is the worlds best selling/top selling AWD system, however.

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You will see that with the competing Audi, BMW, Merc products, the Audi generally turns a faster lap time. The Nurburgring times are as follows, so everyone can see them.

SLS AMG GT - 7:30
R8 GT - 7:34
SLS AMG - 7:40

RS5 - 7:59
C63 - 8:01
E92 M3 - 8:05

TT-RS - 8:09
A45 - 8:11
Golf R - 8:14
1-Series M - 8:15
M135i - 8:19

335i - 8:26
S5 V8 - 8:26

And from Car & Driver here in the States with their annual 'Lightning Lap' test that takes place a VIR...

SLS AMG GT - 2:58.0
R8 V10 - 2:59.5 (not Plus or GT)

RS5 - 3:04.3
E92 M3 -3:05.4
C63 - 3:06.3

TT-RS - 3:04.8
1-Series M - 3:06.6

TT-S - 3:08.4
135i Coupe - 3:13.7

B8 S4 - 3:10.8
F30 335i Sedan - 3:13.2

E92 335is - 3:13.8
B8 S5 V8 - 3:14.6

It's hard to argue with those results...
what about the laps that i posted?
 
I think this just varies by market and what you guys see in your area. Statistically FWD makes up a minority share of Audi's sales. Here in the US it is very small. 20% or less as they don't really offer many FWD cars here anyhow.
but we arent talking just about USA are we? If we talking about it, we are talking worldwide!
 
what about the laps that i posted?

They aren't wrong. Just different. And they still prove the point of Audi generally setting faster lap times.

Hell, just look at the fastest published Nurburgring times for ANY car. The two current fastest FULL production cars are AWD with DCT's...
 
but we arent talking just about USA are we? If we talking about it, we are talking worldwide!

I edited that post to include the A6 ad that claims Quattro is the Worlds best selling AWD system. I don't know what the FWD/AWD mix is however for the brand.
 
They aren't wrong. Just different. And they still prove the point of Audi generally setting faster lap times.

Hell, just look at the fastest published Nurburgring times for ANY car. The two current fastest FULL production cars are AWD with DCT's...
What? Wait... HOW?? By being slower?
 
@C4L

Carry on like this and you're going to get banned. Not because you're an Audi fanboy, but because you are being very annoying posting multiple times and spamming the thread.

With regards FWD v RWD:

FWD is inferior based on one viewpoint but from others it could be seen as a benefit. Packaging is obvious, but another one is traction in the snow. I drove a FWD A6 and it was like it had quattro, due to the weight being over the driven wheels. A RWD car would have struggled. My A1 is 99% of the time driven on motorways at 120km/h with the cruise on. I couldn't give a toss if it was RWD. That would just compromise the car anyway and it's something I just don't need!

For people like @klier, in his world every driver is trying to break the lap record at Spa or just get satisfaction from driving. The vast majority of drivers AREN'T and they don't need RWD in their car. "Adjustability" and handling is completely irrelevant for most average car drivers, so anybody saying FWD is "inferior" is not in touch with the real world.

FWD is inferior for sporty driving, but that's largely irrelevant for most.
 
I think this just varies by market and what you guys see in your area. Statistically FWD makes up a minority share of Audi's sales. Here in the US it is very small. 20% or less as they don't really offer many FWD cars here anyhow.

I do know for a fact it is the worlds best selling/top selling AWD system, however.

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Of course percentages will vary from market to market but I'd still be surprised if Audi sold more Quattros than FWD.
 
@C4L

Carry on like this and you're going to get banned. Not because you're an Audi fanboy, but because you are being very annoying posting multiple times and spamming the thread.

There are just lots of comments to address. It's not spam when it is topical and in reply to someone else. I suppose I could multi-quote.
 
Actually the latest LeMans successes are AWD Hybrid are they not. ;)
Yes, the latest Audi R18 has only electric drive to the front wheels (and only at high speed AFAIK) but all the previous Audi successes at Le Mans (R8, R10 and R15) were pure RWD. I was refuting the point that Audi domination at these 2 events has anything to do with AWD and I think my point is still valid.
 
Of course percentages will vary from market to market but I'd still be surprised if Audi sold more Quattros than FWD.

Doubt it. Audi does Quattro. If you are buying FWD you might as well get a Volvo or something...
 
@C4L

Carry on like this and you're going to get banned. Not because you're an Audi fanboy, but because you are being very annoying posting multiple times and spamming the thread.

With regards FWD v RWD:

FWD is inferior based on one viewpoint but from others it could be seen as a benefit. Packaging is obvious, but another one is traction in the snow. I drove a FWD A6 and it was like it had quattro, due to the weight being over the driven wheels. A RWD would have struggled. "Adjustability" and handling is completely irrelevant for most average car drivers, so anybody saying FWD is "inferior" is not in touch with the real world.
I live where it snows alot every year, its all about tires, not rwd/awd/fwd
 

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