Mr Robert
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That is why the conclusion of any given test is worthless, unless you and the reviewer have the same view on what is important.
Vs AMS - BMW 135i DKG vs. Volkswagen Golf R DSG
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That is why the conclusion of any given test is worthless, unless you and the reviewer have the same view on what is important.
No, what I mean is that the 135i and Golf R share a similar role for most potential owners in that they need to ferry more than just themselves and be fully practical up to a point. What that point is depends on the individual.
As for the argument about M3 and R8, different cars in every way and shouldn't be compared because the guy considering and M3 needs something much more practical than the R8.
That is a personal thing based on your opinion that all BMWs are superior than any Golf. I don't look at things that simply because I see merits in all cars regardless of brand, but as the price increases I do see why such an argument for status becomes more valid, like with the case of the GTR vs the 997tt.
klier
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Firstly, I see merit in a lot of cars too. Sadly for you not Audi though, but that's a whole different thing
And I did not say that all BMWs are better than any Golf, I said that the 135i is better than any Golf, big difference. Because the Golf has much better options lower down the line with the brand new TFSI engines. BMWs 4 pots are rather old and not efficient without turbo tech (the gasoline versions, 116i, 118i, 120i)
Firstly, I see merit in a lot of cars too. Sadly for you not Audi though, but that's a whole different thing
A fanboy statement if ever their was one.
Well there is the difference between us, I love all brands not just Audi and that includes BMWs which I might add make some of the finest models available. But in my opinion I can say the same about many brands and their respective products which includes Audi.
As for my misunderstanding that you meant solely the 135i, I apologise for that, but I repeat myself in saying that it all depends on what you value most and I can fully understand why the reviewer chose the Golf R instead of the 135i, in another test the results could so easily be reversed.
135i Coupé and Golf R, different cars in every way. 1 Series Coupé is not meant to be practical, for this there is 1 Series Hatch. So hypothetical 135i Hatch > Golf R. No so? So then we will be able to compare M1 and RS3: M1 > RS3.
I know what your answer is going to be: M1 < TT-RS
My answer: Different cars in every way.
Your answer: No, you are mistaken, M1 is based on BMW 1 Series that is rival of the car on which the TT is based: VW Golf.
Of course you will never say this, that the Audi TT is a VW Golf.
You say you are an objective car enthusiast, but it is far from being the case. Unfortunately I will never be able to prouve it to you or open your eyes.
Sure I like Audis, but I also praise BMW models among others, I have stated else where on this forum only a few posts ago that the 5er would be my preferred choice from this line up. So what more proof is needed that I am not only objective in my views but as see merit in other brands, not just VAG ones.
Human
You. The Road. Nothing else.
VW would not could not impress ANYBODY on that 11.2 l/100 km figures for a i4. BMW's award winning i6 Twin Turbo proofs a lot!
NarutoRamen
Kraftwagen König
If that's the case then VW Polo > Veyron. Almost every car, with few exceptions, are designed for everyday use. But they are all designed with specif purpose. These cars have lesser siblings. If you want practicality then you can choose the the diesel version of either cars. But if you're going for 135i DKG or a Golf R, you're going there for sport. You innately understand that these cars won't be as practical. Thus, wth is the reason for measuring the "practicality". That's not what you're buying the damn car for anyways.
So, in other words. BS.
MikeJ
M-Power Meister
If that's the case then VW Polo > Veyron. Almost every car, with few exceptions, are designed for everyday use. But they are all designed with specif purpose. These cars have lesser siblings. If you want practicality then you can choose the the diesel version of either cars. But if you're going for 135i DKG or a Golf R, you're going there for sport. You innately understand that these cars won't be as practical. Thus, wth is the reason for measuring the "practicality". That's not what you're buying the damn car for anyways.
So, in other words. BS.
One of the reasons why the original hot hatches such as the Mk1 Golf GTi were so popular, was that they offered the performance of a sports car in a body that was suited for everyday needs. In other words, you got the best of both worlds. If you only wanted sport, you could still choose the sports car.
If that's the case then VW Polo > Veyron. Almost every car, with few exceptions, are designed for everyday use. But they are all designed with specif purpose. These cars have lesser siblings. If you want practicality then you can choose the the diesel version of either cars. But if you're going for 135i DKG or a Golf R, you're going there for sport. You innately understand that these cars won't be as practical. Thus, wth is the reason for measuring the "practicality". That's not what you're buying the damn car for anyways.
So, in other words. BS.
Are you serious. You genuinely believe that if someone also wants a bit of practicality then the most sportiest of models are off limits.
Sorry but I don't happen to agree with you at all. Any comparison test can have a multiple number of outcomes depending on what someone places the most value on, be tha practicality, economy, quality, handling, luxury, etc. They are at best only an opinion, nothing more.
In this test it appears that the reviewer felt the Golf R offers more things of benefit over the 135i to warrant the win, someone else could quite rightly take a different view.
Take for example someone who happens to have £30-35K to spend on a 'German' built sporty car, performance is important but he also needs a boot that can take a double buggy, plus fold the rear speats down because he likes D.I.Y. In this test he would see that ultimately the 135i was the quicker in everyway but it didn't meet his needs, the Golf R on the other hands did everything he wanted and as a bonus it wasn't that much slower. To him the Golf ticked all the boxes.
You are solely basing your opinions on what is of value to you.
Not true. Surely if a car can offer the same level of performance and yet provide more comfort or practicality it should surely win. Proving that these things do and should have a bearing on matters.
I don't know of one person that once they've backed off the throttle and begin to driving normally again, even in their most sporty of cars that they don't wish for a bit more comfort and refinement. And as the car is used on a regular basis they often find things like more space for storage and being able to use it in a more practical way would have been a big plus and might affect their decision next time.
Mr Robert
Kraftwagen König
Cars are an emotional thing. They are seldom focused enough, there are other considerations than the main purpose, but I think the 1-series and the Golf starts off in different corners.
I would never consider the Golf over the 1-series, as the former, to me, makes up for emotion in efficiency.
I would never consider the Golf over the 1-series, as the former, to me, makes up for emotion in efficiency.
I am the opposite, I don't like the looks of the 1er which is in my mind a very important thing, plus it's overall packaging is all wrong for this size of a car. But I will conceed that from purely the perspective of emotion and performance then the 135i is superior in every way.
Now if the TT-RS and 135i were compared, well then I would easily pick the TT because in my opinion is ticks far more boxes than the 135i ever would, but of course it's in a different price bracket and the 1Mcoupe will ultimately be it's competitor.
