X3/X4 BMW iX3

[Cashmere]

There are no plans to sale it in the USA. And better so - it doesn't have any chance there.

This car is Dead on Arrival which is why its not coming to North America. The iX3 compared to the Model Y long range is:
- Single Motor
- RWD vs AWD
- 200 KG heavier for the X3
- Top speed limited to 112Mph vs 135 mph
- 6.8s for 0-60 vs 4.8s on Model Y
- 285 mile range vs 315 mile on Model Y

I think the only reason its being sold in the UK is to appease Matski

 

[Steven21]

Single motor is plenty fast for a non-racing driver. You remember the time of combustion engines ? I can’t remember there was ever a car with two or more motors, not even in F1. The range is small, but if you run the Tesla Y at high speed (135 mph) the range will even be much lower. (And the noise inside awful.)
So you have to make a decision, long range or racing. Both at the same time is ridiculous.
I like that Tesla Y is so wind-slippery, but it looks not really sporty because of that.
You will laugh but what I like in the Y is something you have maybe not even noticed: a heat pump (for heating in winter). I live in a country with bad winters, and without efficient heating the range is very limited in the cold season.

 

[Steven21]

Well I won’t be buying a BEV for a while. Despite what people are saying that BMW has missed the boat, BEV’s still represent a minority in new car sales in all markets so I wouldn’t say man overboard just now. This technology is actually not as complicated as people want us to believe so everyone will catch-up some day. Unless Tesla can offer a single charge 1500km range and acceleration to 100 km/h below 1 sec. pretty soon

Well why would people need 1500 range ? I drive maybe twice a year more than 250 km. And acceleration is terrible for the tires and simply for the teenager looking to impress others. Will you lend your car to your teenager son ? Or are you still a teenager ? If you drive with family they are usually not really happy with too much acceleration, especially on the back seats. (And they might show it, by throwing up. You really want that in your new car ?)

 

[Steven21]

About acceleration: 1.9 s for 0 to 60 mph is the physical limit ! Faster is impossible and will always be. (With tires and without a rocket drive) (Physics)

 

[MrRapp]

Oh the irony...only one behaving like a teenager is Elon Musk, that's what I meant.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Oh the irony...only one behaving like a teenager is Elon Musk, that's what I meant.

Who the f#ck cares how he behaves. Important is what he has achieved. Only Germans can not appreciate that. When they do, it will be too late for them.

 

[David Brent]

I don't know if I'm wrong, from afar it seems to me that they are quite expensive, from this side of the South Atlantic, that plus taxes would translate into around 110,000 / 120,000 dollars or more
Is it more or less the price of an X3M, a strategy to enter the market when there will still not be so many sales due to infrastructure? it's weird, like being and not being

You can't really compare one country to another like that.

It very much depends on the imposition of taxes in each country, and that has nothing to do with BMW. The prices you're referring to are the UK and already include taxes. In the Netherlands the price difference between the iX3 and the X3 M is quite stark.

iX3 = €71,000
X3 M = €134,145

 

[dalab]

You can't really compare one country to another like that.

It very much depends on the imposition of taxes in each country, and that has nothing to do with BMW. The prices you're referring to are the UK and already include taxes. In the Netherlands the price difference between the iX3 and the X3 M is quite stark.

iX3 = €71,000
X3 M = €134,145

Right, that is why my formulation is a question, not a certainty, what you indicate clarifies something that seemed too exaggerated to me, although in some countries beyond the difference, it still seems more expensive than I expected for iX3.

 

[Steven21]

The iX3 is about 10% less expensive than the e-tron. This is maybe important for a decision.

 

[Rolf]

Its really disappointing that BMW did not make a bespoke interior for the iX3 it is totally standard X3 with some marble look trim and blue accents. Audi and Mercedes has both done this for the E-tron and EQC, but the iX3 is the plainest and most boring looking out of the 3 German models. It looks like a stopgap for BMW until a future bespoke model comes.

Technical details from BMW German site:

Price = 68040 Euros (incl 16% tax)

EQC with 300kw motor, 0-100km/h in 5.1sec,, 454kw range
Price = 69484 Euros (incl 16% tax)

Weight
Empty weight in kg	2260
Permissible total weight in kg	2725
Payload in kg	540
Permissible axle load front / rear in kg	1220/1650
Permissible unbraked trailer load / drawbar load in kg	750/75
Permissible braked trailer load up to max. 12% / 8% incline in kg	750/750
Luggage compartment volume min.-max. in l	510-1560

Dimensions
Length / width / height in mm	4734/1891/1668
Width including mirror (driver / passenger side) in mm	2138 (1080/1058)
Wheelbase in mm / turning circle in m	2864 / 12.1

Electric motor
Peak power in kW (PS)	210 (286)
Max. Torque (Nm)	400

Performance
Maximum speed in km / h	180
Acceleration 0-100 km / h in s	6.8

Range and charging time
Electric range (WLTP) in km	450-458
Battery type / battery capacity HV in Ah	Li-ion / 232
Battery capacity in kWh (gross / net)	80.0 / 73.83
DC fast charging max. 150 kW (0-80%) in h	approx. 0:34
AC charging mode 3 / wallbox max. 11 kW (0-100%) in h	approx. 7:30

Consumption (NEDC)
Combined power consumption (NEDC) in kWh / 100 km	17.8-17.5
Combined CO2 emissions	0
Efficiency class	AA

Wheels
Front tire sizes	245/50 R19 105 W XL
Rear tire sizes	245/50 R19 105 W XL
Wheel dimension in front	8Jx19 inches, light alloy
Rear wheel dimension	8Jx19 inches, light all

 

[Steven21]

Interesting details, especially the power consumption. In the older BMWs (mine is 25 years old) they usually showed the consumption in town (50 km/h) and on highway (120 km/h). I would really like to see that. Because it depends on the type of e-motor if it is efficient under high load and if it is still efficient under partial load, like when cruising around.
The motors in the Taycan are using permanent magnets which is great for top speed and extreme acceleration. But the newer Tesla cars use “reluctance motors” which means they are more efficient in middle or average load situations, so they typically have a much longer range (at equal battery size).
It will be interesting to see how BMW has selected the properties of their motors.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Interesting details, especially the power consumption. In the older BMWs (mine is 25 years old) they usually showed the consumption in town (50 km/h) and on highway (120 km/h). I would really like to see that. Because it depends on the type of e-motor if it is efficient under high load and if it is still efficient under partial load, like when cruising around.
The motors in the Taycan are using permanent magnets which is great for top speed and extreme acceleration. But the newer Tesla cars use “reluctance motors” which means they are more efficient in middle or average load situations, so they typically have a much longer range (at equal battery size).
It will be interesting to see how BMW has selected the properties of their motors.

Just look at the standard:NEDC. I'm on the oppinion that car manufacturers should be severely punished for quoting data under this invalid standard. This is absolutely misleading.

 

[MrRapp]

Just look at the standard:NEDC. I'm on the oppinion that car manufacturers should be severely punished for quoting data under this invalid standard. This is absolutely misleading.

Agreed. Just the reason why WLTP was implemented. However, there is still a substantial difference in WLTP BEV ranges and real life test. In similar driving circumstances, some brands end up quite close (10-15%) to their WLTP assesment while notably Tesla ends with 25-30% below projected range. This is strange as for instance EPA gives e.g. much higher range to Tesla vs Taycan and in practice end up close to eachother.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Agreed. Just the reason why WLTP was implemented. However, there is still a substantial difference in WLTP BEV ranges and real life test. In similar driving circumstances, some brands end up quite close (10-15%) to their WLTP assesment while notably Tesla ends with 25-30% below projected range. This is strange as for instance EPA gives e.g. much higher range to Tesla vs Taycan and in practice end up close to eachother.

Yes, but the WLTP is the valid standard, while NEDC has been decommissioned two years ago.

 

[Steven21]

In the end the driver plays the crucial role.
If you like to do a lot of dynamic changes (a lot of acceleration) and driving the motors at high load, then the Taycan is efficient. Its motors are designed for a high load. You can very often accelerate from 0 to 200 km/h.
If you drive a Tesla this way, then the Tesla will be close to the Taycan, but probably weaker than the paper form suggests.
If you drive more carefully, more cruising, less acceleration, less high speed driving, generally less strain on the motors, then the Tesla will be clearly better, because its motors are more efficient when the load on the motor is not so great. This way of driving is better reflected in these tests. And so the Tesla gets a better value in these tests. (Longer range)

For a racing driver the Porsche is probably still the better car. But for the typical case of a family father driving around with his family the Tesla is more useful because it is more efficient and can drive longer distances in one go.

The Porsche is made for high energy consumption, high speed driving and frequent recharging.

 

[mini_cooper4]

This iX3 is all fine and dandy but when is BMW's Model Y competitor coming out?

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

This iX3 is all fine and dandy but when is BMW's Model Y competitor coming out?

They still compete with the Model T (Tin Lizzy).

 

[Steven21]

When is the Y coming ? To Europe only when the Berlin factory is finished. So this will take another year maybe ?
What people naively overlook is that 200 km/h top speed and range of 500 km are written in the same test result, but not measured at the same time.
If an X runs at 200 km/h and you check the range you get, you will soon find out that the range shrinks drastically. What remains is less than half the usual range (maybe energy for 1 hour if at all). The same is valid for the Y.

The tests are nice to have, but driving in reality is a completely different story.

So the numbers on paper are not as high for the iX3. But are they important in daily use ? But for actual driving the car is about equal (or at least not far away). Driving a single motor is good enough since many decades. And I think it is a lot less expensive (and I usually prefer the BMW quality).

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

When is the Y coming ? To Europe only when the Berlin factory is finished. So this will take another year maybe ?
What people naively overlook is that 200 km/h top speed and range of 500 km are written in the same test result, but not measured at the same time.
If an X runs at 200 km/h and you check the range you get, you will soon find out that the range shrinks drastically. What remains is less than half the usual range (maybe energy for 1 hour if at all). The same is valid for the Y.

The tests are nice to have, but driving in reality is a completely different story.

So the numbers on paper are not as high for the iX3. But are they important in daily use ? But for actual driving the car is about equal (or at least not far away). Driving a single motor is good enough since many decades. And I think it is a lot less expensive (and I usually prefer the BMW quality).

You are out of touch with the reality.

 

[Steven21]

Of course there will be small numbers of Y here in Europe, imported from the US or China. I have already seen one or two. But only in very limited numbers. So can you say it is available - yes and no.