BMW and Range Rover


Michael

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Hey, what happened with BMW and Range Rover. They owned them if I am not mistaken but after losing a tremendous amount of money they sold it to Ford. Isn't Ford profitting with them? Not only that, didn't they sell it to Ford with plans for the current SUV that is out? I think Ford made money
 
the current range was fully developped under BMW, and prefacelift it even had BMW engines (the 286hp 4.4 V8 of the previous gen 740)
that is why the quality and craftsmanship were so much above traditional rangerover, Satnav, seat controls, stick, all were almost directly lifted from BMW parts bin
that is why you can also see a gap, a difference between the design and apparent quality between the range rover and the RRsport interiors
 
Others are bound to know more than I, but the Rover group was completely ill and in need of a heart transplant when BMW took the helm.

I'm curious to know the details, although from what I gather BMW was just in over their heads. Don't forget - they didn't just aquire Land Rover; they aquired the whole damn Rover group.
 
true Osna, the whole rover deal included everything from mini, to triumph, to austin heely, to some other obscure marks that were arely popular even among the brits back then

the only proftiable division was land rover, BMW developped the current range to extreme BMW quality standards, but the whole thing was like a tumor, the profits coming in from land were not enough to cover the expenses incured by the whoe rover group, mini and some of the brand names were kept under BMW, the rover group (tech, knowhow, cars bar the nameplate) were sold to the consortium that later became MG, and land rover, the only profitable division was sold at a profit to ford

MG rover had to pay royalties to BMW for every "rover" car they made

BMW also developped the now defunct rover 75 in a bid to position it as a jaguar alternative, but like almost everything brittish, save for some very few exceptions he plan was doomed to fail
 
Osnabrueck said:
Others are bound to know more than I, but the Rover group was completely ill and in need of a heart transplant when BMW took the helm.

I'm curious to know the details, although from what I gather BMW was just in over their heads. Don't forget - they didn't just aquire Land Rover; they aquired the whole damn Rover group.

THey got rid of Rover and Land Rover, but kept Mini.
 
I think BMW didn't have a chose, they had to get out, or they may have gone bankrupt!

I'm glad they kept Mini, they have done very well with the brand, but it's ashame they didn't keep Land Rover, I think that Land Rover would add something to the BMW brand, I know BMW nicked a load of now how from Land Rover when developing the X5!
 
Personally, I'm glad BMW ditched Land Rover, because there's some overlap between the two ranges.
 
The story begins in 1952 with the creation of BMC (british motor corporation).

Now this company had problems since the begining, and despite (hal-hearted) atempts to rationize/modernize it all eventually failed.

BMC merged Jaguar to become BMH and later in 1968 merged with Leyland to became British Leyland Motor Corporation, the 3th largest automaker in the world.

This monstruosity incorporated the majority of previously independednt british auto makers and beyond that.



The bankrupt company is nationalized in 1975.

And the ship is sinking fast now, some of their car are sinonimous with lack of reliability, and combatant unions make things worse.

The company is renamed British Leyland, then Austin-Rover group and later the Rover group since the Austin, Morris and Leyland brands have negative conotations.

The group is choped to pieces and privatised by the Thatcher goverment.

BAE getting the Rover group witch is sold to BMW.

But thing are not as expected, the Rovers (some) are by now rebaged Hondas, and the curent range is far from metting expectation.

BMW poors a lot of money in Rover, saving Mini and LR/RR, and helping to create the fine Rover 75.

But this was a comany starved for decades, witch probably need it more.

Even, BMW partner Chrysler was bought by Daimler-Benz.

By now BMW was a divided company.

Wolfgang Reitzle and Bernd Pischetsrieder were on 2 diferent baricades.

But in 1999 the situation is a mess.

The loses were afected also by the strenght of the pound.

By now BMW no longer has money.

There is talk of a merger or buy out of BMW by Ford, GM and even Fiat.

Not since 1959 was BMW in such a mess.


While the BMW division/brand is still profitable problems can be found here too.

The E39 5 series and FL E38 7 series are taking a serious punch from MB E and S klasse.

BMW has lost its position to MB in USA and to Audi in Europe.

By now the pilon of BMWs posible future is the E46 3 series, and there is also hope of a succesfull X5.

But for now sock terapy is need it.

So after 4 billion euro loses in 2000 the de-merger takes place.

To obtain the need it cash BMW sells LR/RR to Ford and recovers some of its loses.

This was done to avoid borowing money from a bank and/or selling at least partially BMW (= to keep BMWs independence).

1. LR/RR wasn't actually profitable, it becamed so only recently under Ford.

2.
The X5 is based on the existing four-wheel drive 5-series 'X', the only technical transfer is the lifting of Hill Descent Control. (Which, incidentally, Toyota now offers a copy of on the Land Cruiser). There WAS substantial BMW engineering in the new Range Rover, but that's a radically different argument. And before anyone says anything, the X3 is based on the 3-series 'X'. While the Freelander is based loosely on various bits of Maestro.

Land Rover engineers might well have been shocked at the lack of off-road kudos of BMW's X-products. But they certainly weren't as shocked as BMW engineers were by the utterly terrible build quality of Land Rover products.
 
How sad for BMW though.

It seems that the current Rover made profits for Ford. So BMW let go of them because of all the debt and all the negativity that came with Rover, and went ahead and gave it to Ford all prepped up and ready for profit.
 
BMWFREAK said:
How sad for BMW though.

It seems that the current Rover made profits for Ford. So BMW let go of them because of all the debt and all the negativity that came with Rover, and went ahead and gave it to Ford all prepped up and ready for profit.

That's what I thought as well. But in the end, I'm glad we kept Mini rather than Land Rover. We can always compete with Range Rovers, but going downmarket is more important IMO.
 
warot said:
That's what I thought as well. But in the end, I'm glad we kept Mini rather than Land Rover. We can always compete with Range Rovers, but going downmarket is more important IMO.


I know, but it is kinda interesting how things turned out for Ford. BMW took the casualties and the battle scares, then Ford ran the country.
 
I must give all credit to Ford though, Land Rover is doing quite nicely - their LR3 and RRS look and go like nothing else, and the new Freelander is shaping up to be a serious contender for the X3 and co.
 
BMW was right to get rid of Land Rover. BMW is too small of a company to have a loss leader like Land Rover draining their already strained finances. They took some of the LR know how and have done well every since. Land Rover I doubt makes any real money for Ford even now. They might be able to make a small profit, but Ford needs billions of dollars from their PAG group not a few million here and there. Between Volvo, Jaguar, Aston-Martin and Land Rover PAG is still losing money. Ford does not break out each individual PAG brand's profits, but counts them as a while. Volvo is the only one that indusrty folk say makes any real money.

I do think Land Rover would have made a great addition to the BMW roster though. That would leave BMW to concentrate on just cars. BMW and Land Rover were sold under the same roof at one time here in the U.S. They complemented each other nicely IMO, but LR does fit in better with Jaguar and Aston seeing as how they're all British.

M
 
Merc1 said:
BMW was right to get rid of Land Rover. BMW is too small of a company to have a loss leader like Land Rover draining their already strained finances. They took some of the LR know how and have done well every since. Land Rover I doubt makes any real money for Ford even now. They might be able to make a small profit, but Ford needs billions of dollars from their PAG group not a few million here and there. Between Volvo, Jaguar, Aston-Martin and Land Rover PAG is still losing money. Ford does not break out each individual PAG brand's profits, but counts them as a while. Volvo is the only one that indusrty folk say makes any real money.

I do think Land Rover would have made a great addition to the BMW roster though. That would leave BMW to concentrate on just cars. BMW and Land Rover were sold under the same roof at one time here in the U.S. They complemented each other nicely IMO, but LR does fit in better with Jaguar and Aston seeing as how they're all British.

M

I do think that Land Rover was taken from the ditch and put on the road when BMW took over. BMW suffered the grunt of the problem's such as finances, but now LR is a better company than it ever was.
 
Merc1 said:
BMW was right to get rid of Land Rover. BMW is too small of a company to have a loss leader like Land Rover draining their already strained finances.

It wasn't Land Rover that was the real problem, it was Rover + strenght of the pound.


They took some of the LR know how and have done well every since. Land Rover I doubt makes any real money for Ford even now. They might be able to make a small profit, but Ford needs billions of dollars from their PAG group not a few million here and there. Between Volvo, Jaguar, Aston-Martin and Land Rover PAG is still losing money. Ford does not break out each individual PAG brand's profits, but counts them as a while. Volvo is the only one that indusrty folk say makes any real money.


1. X5 is based on the existing four-wheel drive 5-series 'X', the only technical transfer is the lifting of Hill Descent Control.
(Which, incidentally, Toyota now offers a copy of on the Land Cruiser)

2. The X5 was a diferent thing from the Land Rover.
- X5 = SAV = hybrid between SUV & Sport Car = King On-Road
- Land Rover = real deal = real SUV = King Off-Road

3. Everything else is about true.


I do think Land Rover would have made a great addition to the BMW roster though. That would leave BMW to concentrate on just cars.

The X5 was build and sales started during the Rover ownership.
BMW was going to beyond cars anyway.
 
I wonder if there are any other companies that BMW may snap up in the future?
 
BMW_Dude said:
I wonder if there are any other companies that BMW may snap up in the future?


Mercedes Benz for sure!
just kidding
Who knows
 

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