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What a complete and utter bell end you are. I truly mean that. I've got used to your trolling and deliberately winding people up. I hope you're happy because you got me this time. You ruin this forum.
Seriously. What do you ACTUALLY contribute to the forum? You "create debate", which is just a euphemism for being a troll. What do you actually DO for the good of the forum? Do you post real experiences that you've had? Rarely. Do you post photos of new cars like Rainer? Do you provide links to news stories or provide info? Do you have a fountain of engineering knowledge like Giannis and Martin? Are you informative like @Wolfgang? Do you contribute by posting scans like @Soup and @DeDe do? 90% of your content on here is just getting into childish fan boy arguments and trying to wind people up.
I try my best to provide valuable content on here, whether that be my own experiences, such as the fuel consumption data that I gain from REAL WORLD experiences. I post photos and add information that adds value. I am FAR behind other members I've mentioned but I at least try to make the forum a better place.
This is the best car forum on the internet by far, and I DO care about it, so I try to do things that make it a better place. What do YOU do?
And don't give me this nonsense about being a long time member.
Again, I ask what is the difference between the M4 and the C 63? Both different ideas behind both cars.
Come on. Explain that.
LaArtist
Wunderkind of Wheels
what turd are you refering to? the gearbox?
its no longer the 5 speed, its the AMG Speedshift 7g tronic.
Besides that this is what it looks like at bmw hq when it comes to geraboxes.
HQ: Hello ZF, i would like to order run of the mill 8 speed autobox
ZF: Sure how many?
At MB, make a plant, develop, engineer and sell 22million+ automatic gearboxes over the span of the brand.
So your bragging rights are reduced
It is the AWD man, just admit it.. like i said mathematics does not add up!
Not that anyone f#ckin cares abt .4 of a second in cars like these..
Make an M7, come talk then
klier
Premium
what turd are you refering to? the gearbox?
its no longer the 5 speed, its the AMG Speedshift 7g tronic.
Besides that this is what it looks like at bmw hq when it comes to geraboxes.
HQ: Hello ZF, i would like to order run of the mill 8 speed autobox
ZF: Sure how many?
At MB, make a plant, develop, engineer and sell 22million+ automatic gearboxes over the span of the brand.
So your bragging rights are reduced
It is the AWD man, just admit it.. like i said mathematics does not add up!
Not that anyone ****in cares abt .4 of a second in cars like these..
Make an M7, come talk then
Yes, fine. You are right my old friend. On all accounts. And yea I somehow thought the old gearbox was still in.
More untruths.
The S 65 splits the 750i and M760i exactly (0-100km/h), so if 0.4 secs is close enough for it to compete with the 750i, then it's close enough for it to compete with the M760i.
M760Li xDrive
3.9 secs
AMG S 65 L
4.3 secs
750i
4.7 secs
tomazino
Highway Hunter
NO! (mathematically speaking, yes, of course)
0.4 sec. from 3.9 to 4.3 is not the same as 0.4 sec. from 4.3 to 4.7!
You need to add much more performance to achieve 0.4 from 4.3 to 3.9 sec., than from 4.7 to 4.3 sec.
I understand your point, but that's not the issue here. @klier said the S 65 competes with the 750i performance wise, but it is just as close to the M760Li as it is to the 750i. The fact that it gets exponentially more difficult to shave time off a 0-100 time isn't really the issue.
sako97
Autotechnik Ace
The last two pages are internal combustion material
MB continues to use the M275/279 V12 because it remains one of smoothest running engines on the market. It also happens to be the most reliable AMG engine being that its potential output is far greater than the stock 630hp/1000nm. If you look at mid-range speeds (100-210kph) you'll find that the 65s still put out competitive figures. 0-100kph times are becoming more and more meaningless.
The emphasis with V12 variants is smooth, effortless power delivery and the prestige factor of a range-topping V12. The M760i will also offer both, except now with AWD. The M division could've used the 600hp S63 engine instead, which, arguably, would've been even quicker.
It'll be interesting to see how much marketshare the M760 will take from the surprisingly very in-demand S65. The facelift AMG V12 will follow suit and also offer AWD. Whether it will debut a new V12 or not is still unknown.
MB continues to use the M275/279 V12 because it remains one of smoothest running engines on the market. It also happens to be the most reliable AMG engine being that its potential output is far greater than the stock 630hp/1000nm. If you look at mid-range speeds (100-210kph) you'll find that the 65s still put out competitive figures. 0-100kph times are becoming more and more meaningless.
The emphasis with V12 variants is smooth, effortless power delivery and the prestige factor of a range-topping V12. The M760i will also offer both, except now with AWD. The M division could've used the 600hp S63 engine instead, which, arguably, would've been even quicker.
It'll be interesting to see how much marketshare the M760 will take from the surprisingly very in-demand S65. The facelift AMG V12 will follow suit and also offer AWD. Whether it will debut a new V12 or not is still unknown.
klier
Premium
Yeah someone had a mental breakdown again. Better to ask the mods to clean it up a bit.
KiwiRob
Autotechnik Ace
You forgot to add the Audi S8 Plus which is a monster.
S8 Plus
3.8 secs
S8
4.1 secs
Even the stock S8 is faster than the S65 and hot on the tail of the M760.
It's also the best looking of the three.
I didn't "forget" anything. That post was in direct response to @klier saying that the S 65 competes more with the 750i and not the M760Li. The Audi has nothing to do with it.
FFS!! I hate these discussions over which is the better car. I don't get involved as it's purely subjective and largely meaningless. Full of fanboys arguing about their favourite car being the best. It's pathetic.
I merely posted the big three's weights just to see how the CarbonCore helped the M760Li xDrive save weight (or not). I found it surprising that the S 65 was 5kg lighter BUT, it's not 4WD. Of course, that explains it.
But then it gets thrown off course by @klier asserting that the S8 plus is not a rival of the M760Li xDrive, which is out and out rubbish. Of course it is. Both 4WD. Both from the manufacturer's "performance" brands, but NOT the full on high performance brands. Just because one happens to use a V8 and the other uses a V12 @klier says they're not rivals. By that definition the M3 and C 63 are not rivals. The A 45 AMG and RS 3 are not rivals. The M135i xDrive and S3 are not rivals.
So @klier
Explain WHY the S8 and M760Li are not rivals, yet the M3 and C 63 are.
I merely posted the big three's weights just to see how the CarbonCore helped the M760Li xDrive save weight (or not). I found it surprising that the S 65 was 5kg lighter BUT, it's not 4WD. Of course, that explains it.
But then it gets thrown off course by @klier asserting that the S8 plus is not a rival of the M760Li xDrive, which is out and out rubbish. Of course it is. Both 4WD. Both from the manufacturer's "performance" brands, but NOT the full on high performance brands. Just because one happens to use a V8 and the other uses a V12 @klier says they're not rivals. By that definition the M3 and C 63 are not rivals. The A 45 AMG and RS 3 are not rivals. The M135i xDrive and S3 are not rivals.
So @klier
Explain WHY the S8 and M760Li are not rivals, yet the M3 and C 63 are.
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