5 Series (G30) BMW 5 Series (G30/31/32) Spy Pics & Info Discussion


The BMW G30 is the seventh generation of the 5 Series. Officially announced in October 2016, sales began in February 2017. Production years: November 2016-2023. Body styles: 4-door sedan/saloon (G30), 5-door wagon/estate (G31), and 4-door long-wheelbase saloon (G38).
I was simply talking about good design vs. bad design for a bumper. But here's its direct competition - an E class.
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Come on my friend how u are comparing 2013 car with 2017
Lets wait the official pic of G30 and then compare it to this poor design and bumper of MB.sorry
 
Because Bloomberg is such an automotive authority?

They quoted some employee's personal opinion at best.



An old 5er with standard bumper vs the new E class with AMG bumper?

Yes, yes. Good comparison!

The Bloomberg quote was based on the US Market. BMW is a a global company and they did not bother to report sales in other markets as an example Germany. Compare standard S-Klasse units against the 7er and not with the Maybach,Coupe,Cabrio etc. to see how well perceived 7er is in Germany.
 
The same will probably happen when the 5er debuts. The E's five future variants will all be grouped together when discussing sales, against the 5er three
 
Where can one access official global sales records for car manufacturers? I guess it's never that deep, but since we are on the topic...
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...pe-to-put-boring-7-series-back-in-luxury-race

Like X6 (X5 coupe) sale numbers count as X5, and say:
"waaaooooo, X5 are sales more than double in comparation with ML. So , Internally, Daimler has blamed the ML poor sales on too few technological advances and boring design, a person familiar with the plans said"
What a shitty and lazy journalism!

Are you able to repost the link to the article please? It doesn't seem to be working.
 
Found it. The credibility of the article is seriously damaged by the closing remark, "The 7-Series will be highly profitable and have decent sales volumes, but it’ll never really measure up to the S-Class.” Seriously? They can predict the future?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...pe-to-put-boring-7-series-back-in-luxury-race

BMW Plans a Coupe to Put Boring 7-Series Back in Luxury Race
Elisabeth Behrmann ElisBehrmann
August 29, 2016 — 2:00 PM AEST
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The BMW 7-Series.

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  • Sales of the flagship have fallen 40% below Mercedes S-Class
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Less than a year after BMW introduced the latest iteration of its flagship 7-Series, a roomy sedan that can park itself via remote control, the automaker has quietly conceded that it landed with a thud. Even so, the $81,500 car is so vital to the bottom line that BMW is doubling down with a coupe variant.

A sporty two-door version of the 7-Series is in the works for as soon as as 2019, according to a person familiar with BMW’s plan, who asked not to be named because the plans aren’t public. The luxury coupe is the first of several new versions BMW is considering to give sales of its highest-end car a lift.

Mercedes-Benz used a similar strategy to cement the position of its S-Class as the world’s best-selling top-of-the-line sedan. Just four years ago, the 7-Series was at parity with its Mercedes rival. Today, sales have fallen 40 percent below those of the S-Class and are only slightly ahead of Tesla Motors Inc.’s Model S. Next year will be even tougher for the 7-Series, with Audi poised to introduce a self-driving version of its A8 flagship. BMW’s aim with new variants is to pull even with the leader again, according to the person familiar with its plans.

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Success with the 7-Series is important both for BMW AG’s image and its bottom line. After a decade of ruling the world of luxury cars by filling nearly every market niche from two-seat roadsters to brawny sport utility vehicles, BMW is on the cusp of losing its lead this year. A spiffier look and new crop of SUVs helped Mercedes outsell BMW by more than 30,000 cars this year through July.

The fortunes of a company’s most expensive car tend to reflect the company as a whole, with the halo -- or shadow -- of the model extending across the entire brand. High-end sedans are more lucrative than smaller vehicles, making them a crucial source of cash to invest in new technology. And they’re typically the place where automakers introduce new features, providing a proving ground for ideas that filter down into less expensive models.

“The 7-Series hasn’t managed the same ‘aha’ effect as the new S-Class, which is what Audi will be going for too” with its new A8, said Juergen Pieper, an analyst at Bankhaus Metzler in Frankfurt. “It’s lacking that special something.”

Losing Lead
Internally, BMW has blamed the 7-Series’s slow sales on too few technological advances and boring design, a person familiar with the plans said. Features such as gesture control, which uses up to five different hand signals for functions like radio volume, haven’t ignited the same customer interest as the likes of Tesla’s Autopilot. And the 7-Series doesn’t offer the variants available in the S-Class, which comes in six different versions, including a convertible and an ultra-luxury model called the Maybach.

BMW will also bring out a competitor in the range above 150,000 euros ($170,000), development chief Klaus Froehlich told Automotive News this year. That would be roughly the same price category as the Maybach.

In the meantime, a plug-in hybrid and the first high-performance version of the current 7-Series sedan will contribute to sales, BMW says. Thanks to last year’s revamp, deliveries of the car more than doubled in July to 5,025 vehicles, and a company representative said it expects “this positive trend to continue over the course of 2016.”

Wild Card
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The wild card will be Audi’s A8, which will have self-driving systems more advanced than those of either the 7-Series or the S-Class. Drivers will be able to let the car take over completely in highway traffic jams at speeds of up to 60 kilometers (37 miles) an hour, according to the company. Unlike Tesla’s Model S and this year’s Mercedes E-Class, Audi’s car won’t then require a hand on the wheel.
“The new A8 will be quite a meaningful departure from the current model,” said Stuart Pearson, an analyst at Exane BNP Paribas in London. “You’d expect to see 7-Series sales start to decline again when the A8 comes out.”

The fat return on sales makes clear why carmakers are fighting for buyers in this segment. Mercedes’s profit margin on the S-Class was 14 percent last year, versus 9.5 percent across the Daimler AG unit’s auto division, Evercore ISI estimates. BMW saw an estimated 11 percent return on the 7-Series, exceeding the 9.2 percent across its automotive unit last year.

Growing discounts from U.S. dealers highlight the difficulties BMW has had in luring customers, said Commerzbank AG analyst Sascha Gommel, citing researcher Autodata Corp. Price incentives for the 7-Series climbed twice as much as those for the S-Class this year and hit $13,053 per vehicle last month.

“The 7-Series will be highly profitable and have decent sales volumes, but it’ll never really measure up to the S-Class,” Gommel said. “The two used to compete head to head, but there’s no chance anymore.”
 
The Bloomberg quote was based on the US Market. BMW is a a global company and they did not bother to report sales in other markets as an example Germany. Compare standard S-Klasse units against the 7er and not with the Maybach,Coupe,Cabrio etc. to see how well perceived 7er is in Germany.
As if Mercedes is selling so much Maybach, Coupe and Cabrio in Germany... :rolleyes: Let's keep it real here @SCOTT27 You know as well as anybody that the vast majority of S klasse sold in Germany ar normal sedans. This generation 7er is a lost generation and missed opportunity because BMW didn't have the guts to design something appropriate.
 
What the heck is this nonsense about the failure of the G10 ? What are you merc boys talking about ? Sales ? Do you have worldwide numbers of the S-CLass Vs G10 VS F10 (First year).
 
I'm not surprised at all. 7er interior is the biggest let down and some of the tech is gimmicky. A shrink wrapped version will probably make a great 5er, but this car fails to stand out for me.. but as I've said before, I wouldn't say no to a 1 year old car less 40%. Prices of the 750i are already starting to drop significantly here in SA.
 
I think you guys are hugely exagerating the whole 7er debate. How is the interior the biggest let down? Fit and finish is really good and the tech is probably best in segment right now. So only the design could be qualified as a disappointment IMO.
 
Guys please... We're 2-3 weeks away from the offical unveiling. So please don't ruin this thread as you did in the past with serveral others (S-class vs. RR, M vs. AMG).

Anyways the G10 perfectly fits to BMW's design theme :)
 
The current 5-series is still a good looking car... give it M package and some nice wheels and its gets even better. It's still one of the best and good looking cars in the segment. The new one will probably age as good too.
 
I think you guys are hugely exagerating the whole 7er debate. How is the interior the biggest let down? Fit and finish is really good and the tech is probably best in segment right now. So only the design could be qualified as a disappointment IMO.
Fully agree. The debate over the G11 is not so much off topic in here (IMO) because it anticipates a debate over the G30.
The BMW folks I know are not disappointed at all with the G11 outcomes. It sells well, partly better than expected. Nevertheless, it does not devastate the F01 (see my previous post on that). On the contrary, post-FL F01s perform very well right now. Since customer loyalty becomes more and more important, this matters a lot. And the same will be true for the G30 ...
Don't get me wrong: I would also love to see more courageous designs from BMW, also with respect to 7 and 5 series. But I guess I (partly) understand the decision behind that strategy (beside the fact that BMW is the most profitable (p.u.) brand among the big three).

That is also why ... >

... This generation 7er is a lost generation and missed opportunity because BMW didn't have the guts to design something appropriate.

> ... I have to answer back here. Many experts I know claim the very opposite ... BMW is (design-wise) in a very good position, even though the G11 lacks a certain something I agree. They have plenty of space to develop without leaving parts of their line-up too far behind. Several showcars from the last years substantiate that claim. The Hommage 3.0 CSL, for instance, is a major step ahead and opens lots of new paths but even when introducing it to the market right now, it would fit pretty well into the overall portfolio.
Quite a few say, however, it is rather MB being in a dilemma right now: they made stylistically huge steps towards the present generation cars (W221 or W204 have been completely out of fashion from one day to the next), now all of them look pretty much the same. . Since their designs are very bold, it is hard to update them without becoming too extreme or outshining siblings... so they are forced to reinterpret their basic visual elements. And this is what they do already with rather radical new forms of their grill, for instance. Other paradigm changes might follow, and further hamper continuity.
 
Told you guys, Bloomberg is full of utter NONSENSE.
Written by a lady without a single clue.

This generation 7er is a lost generation and missed opportunity because BMW didn't have the guts to design something appropriate.

Broken record.
The 7er looks better than any Benz sedan. Design is subjective and your post is baseless, factless and overall just lame.
 
Told you guys, Bloomberg is full of utter NONSENSE.
Written by a lady without a single clue.



Broken record.
The 7er looks better than any Benz sedan. Design is subjective and your post is baseless, factless and overall just lame.
Baseless..? I'm a buyer in this segment. If the opinion of potential buyers doesn't count... Well than goodnight.
 
Fully agree. The debate over the G11 is not so much off topic in here (IMO) because it anticipates a debate over the G30.
The BMW folks I know are not disappointed at all with the G11 outcomes. It sells well, partly better than expected. Nevertheless, it does not devastate the F01 (see my previous post on that). On the contrary, post-FL F01s perform very well right now. Since customer loyalty becomes more and more important, this matters a lot. And the same will be true for the G30 ...
Don't get me wrong: I would also love to see more courageous designs from BMW, also with respect to 7 and 5 series. But I guess I (partly) understand the decision behind that strategy (beside the fact that BMW is the most profitable (p.u.) brand among the big three).

That is also why ... >



> ... I have to answer back here. Many experts I know claim the very opposite ... BMW is (design-wise) in a very good position, even though the G11 lacks a certain something I agree. They have plenty of space to develop without leaving parts of their line-up too far behind. Several showcars from the last years substantiate that claim. The Hommage 3.0 CSL, for instance, is a major step ahead and opens lots of new paths but even when introducing it to the market right now, it would fit pretty well into the overall portfolio.
Quite a few say, however, it is rather MB being in a dilemma right now: they made stylistically huge steps towards the present generation cars (W221 or W204 have been completely out of fashion from one day to the next), now all of them look pretty much the same. . Since their designs are very bold, it is hard to update them without becoming too extreme or outshining siblings... so they are forced to reinterpret their basic visual elements. And this is what they do already with rather radical new forms of their grill, for instance. Other paradigm changes might follow, and further hamper continuity.
I'm not going to dispute what marketing/design professionals are saying. I'm just the normal, totally unimportant potential buyer in this class. So, what do I know?!
 
Baseless..? I'm a buyer in this segment. If the opinion of potential buyers doesn't count... Well than goodnight.
You are right. Opinion of buyers and potential buyers does count, so maybe that is the reason why in the last few months 7 series is better sales figures than S class sedan.
 
So, what do I know?!

You know what you want to buy, but surely you appreciate you can't speak for the whole market?

Anyway...

To perhaps drag this a little closer to the topic at hand, rather than arguing about what people think looks better, how about thinking of the strategy of same sausage-different length styling, at the same time as having a generation that is only an evolution. Both are strategies employed by the Germans, but typically BMW don't employ both at the same time. Could that be the reason why the G30 is seeming to be a little uninspiring?
 

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