3 Series (F30) BMW 3-Series (F30) First Drives/Tests Thread


The sixth generation of the BMW 3 Series consists of the BMW F30 (sedan version), BMW F31 (wagon version, marketed as 'Touring') and BMW F34 (fastback version, marketed as 'Gran Turismo') compact executive cars. The F30/F31/F34 generation was produced from October 2011 to 2019 and is often collectively referred to as the F30. For the sixth generation, the coupé and convertible models were spun off to create the new BMW 4 Series nameplate.
jst wondering if anyone has driven BOTH the F10 and F30. I tested a F10 520i lately, found its steering to be artificially light (for a BMW), wonder how the F30 would feel like. well maybe bcos the previous beemers I had were 1series and 3series which tends to have more aggressive/heavier steering than a supposedly less sporty 5series, steering is also "slower" than i expected, but OK again i'm comparing to the 1er and the older 3er. But then overall i was very very impressed with how the F10 went, 520 isn't powerful but enough! driving the F10 felt like i was driving something much much smaller, i'm sure the F30 is even better. Damn that car is quiet, it's too quiet, honestly the 120i i had i could at least hear something, not to talk about the 330i i had, this thing for god's sake, i can't even hear anything, i actually got to look at the rev counter to change gears, once i accidentally got it into 7th gear at rather low speeds and wondered why the car wasn't moving, i just couldn't hear it. Is the 320i very very quiet too? i read that the 328i has pretty good acoustics.
FYI, i got to say this, in where I am, the 520i could be the cheapest 520i in the world, list price is IDENTICAL to a 320i Sport (not M sport, just Sport line) and the 520i has quite a bit more options, why? bcoz our government refunds registration tax to eco friendly cars, and the F30 couldn't make it, why? because the stupid system calculates eco-friendliness based on weight classes, and the 3series is not good enough for its weight class... so taking additional options into account, we have a 520i that is effectively cheaper than a 320i Sport.
 
jst wondering if anyone has driven BOTH the F10 and F30. I tested a F10 520i lately, found its steering to be artificially light (for a BMW), wonder how the F30 would feel like. well maybe bcos the previous beemers I had were 1series and 3series which tends to have more aggressive/heavier steering than a supposedly less sporty 5series, steering is also "slower" than i expected, but OK again i'm comparing to the 1er and the older 3er. But then overall i was very very impressed with how the F10 went, 520 isn't powerful but enough! driving the F10 felt like i was driving something much much smaller, i'm sure the F30 is even better. Damn that car is quiet, it's too quiet, honestly the 120i i had i could at least hear something, not to talk about the 330i i had, this thing for god's sake, i can't even hear anything, i actually got to look at the rev counter to change gears, once i accidentally got it into 7th gear at rather low speeds and wondered why the car wasn't moving, i just couldn't hear it. Is the 320i very very quiet too? i read that the 328i has pretty good acoustics.
FYI, i got to say this, in where I am, the 520i could be the cheapest 520i in the world, list price is IDENTICAL to a 320i Sport (not M sport, just Sport line) and the 520i has quite a bit more options, why? bcoz our government refunds registration tax to eco friendly cars, and the F30 couldn't make it, why? because the stupid system calculates eco-friendliness based on weight classes, and the 3series is not good enough for its weight class... so taking additional options into account, we have a 520i that is effectively cheaper than a 320i Sport.

South-Africa, Saturday 2012/03/17

Given prior notice and an invitation via e-mail from the local BMW dealer to the local launch of the BMW F30 3-Series to the public, Saturday March the 17th could not come soon enough.
On arrival Saturday morning the wife and myself were greeted with friendly faces and enthusiasm from the friendly staff. With the wife working for the local newspaper which in turn is part of the National Media Conglomerate and me being a customer to the brand, it was like a homecoming. We both know the staff and management of the local dealer through dealings and advertisement.
The local launch theme is "3 - The Measurement of Performance" and we were given name tags, hung around the neck like a medal and written on the blue lanyard the words: “Ready. Set. Enjoy!”
Two model variants were available for test driving, a white 320d in Modern Line and a 328i in Luxury Line, both with 8 Speed Automatic Transmissions and paddle shift.

Design
My first impression after doing the walk-around was one of familiarity. The side view is instantly recognizable and reminiscent of the outgoing E90; in short the new F30 is an evolution in design. The rear echoes that of the F10 BMW 5 Series and the front-end treatment is fresh, very sporty, dynamic and certainly shouts: “That Powerful Presence so Characteristic of a BMW.” Certainly good looking, sleek with short overhangs and a menacing stance if you look it "right in the eyes" or, rather, beautiful new headlights.

Interior
Now me being me (ol' OCD himself) this is where the car will make it or break it for me in terms of its Premium credentials and price tag. Having done my proverbial scratch, feel, touch, lick and flick test on every part of visible and every part not visible of the interior materials, I can sum it up in short. The "good" or premium materials that lift the cabin ambience and perceived quality are better than those of the previous generation E90. The harder plastics left and right of the centre console and handbrake area is of poorer quality than the E90. That said, it is well hidden, although me being me finds it rather worrying. As with Audi’s A6 & A7 that have the same problem in that area, those particular plastics have to have a better quality feel. As for the switchgear, steering wheel, seats, seating/driving position and legroom: pure BMW-perfect ergonomics and the F30 makes the driver feel right at home. Nothing new or unfamiliar, just perfect. The cabin is roomier, without alienating the ‘cockpit’ feel from the driver’s seat.

Driving
First honours went to the 320d. For this initial drive I will just compare the engine and gearbox to that of my X1’s 23d’s Twin Turbo unit. With better noise insulation, the engine runs more quietly than that in the X1 and, with the F30 3er being lighter, the 320d left nothing to be desired in terms of power. Turbo lag or the lack thereof impresses whilst it’s the 8 Speed Auto one can really make a fuss about. Its simply a phenomenal gearbox, seamless, lightning quick up and downshifts in either auto mode or through the steering-mounted paddles.

I was lucky enough to jump right from the 320d into the 328i. After taking my seat behind the wheel and adjusting my seating and driving position to perfectly suit me, I told my passengers to do the same and to try and relax. I was determined to drive this car in all its modes and patterns. To take it all in and drive it like a BMW should be driven. None of the test cars had the optional M Adaptive suspension. I set off and what a surprise! The TwinPower 2.0 litre, 4 cylinder engine is very refined; instantly the 180 kW and 350 Nm of torque mated to the phenomenal 8 speed auto puts a smile on your face. Again, the gearbox make me realise that for the first time paddle shifters actually make sense to me. Man, the up and downshifts are immediate, seamless and do what you want and expect. Say you're in 6th gear @ 5500 rpm and you downshift two gears up by just pulling the left hand (-) paddle twice as fast as you can... it will drop two gears instantly with the tacho needle now @ 7000 rpm. This works best in Sport+ mode, with the gear selector in S (Sport). I can rave all day long about the gearbox; it’s a pure damn joy! The engine feels naturally aspirated - I cannot give it higher praise. It revs up as quickly as any NA engine and pulls like a steam train with the additional turbocharging and wide torque band. In Comfort mode things become a little bit more relaxed, yet still dynamic. In Eco Pro mode, everything changes. The throttle becomes less responsive, so much so that I guess it’s as if you're driving a 320i NA E90 3er. This will be the engine of choice in my opinion, since the 335i may just be too expensive.

Ride
Now get this: can a BMW of this size and nature ride this well or maybe even too well? Have you driven a BMW F10 5er lately? The F30’s primary and secondary ride is on par with that of the F10. Yes, it is! So much comfort over any surface is nearly, how shall I put it… unsettling! See, we enthusiasts expect handling and dynamic driving to be coupled with a ‘hard’ ride, or at least I do. The initial drive comfort is so good that your brain tells you that this Beemer has lost its dynamic ability. To my relief, when pushed hard through the corners, the opposite is true - the car handles fantastically! As dynamic as ever, with at least a plus 50% gain in ride comfort over the E90 3er.

After I got back, the local dealer principal and myself had a discussion about the ride. He mentioned that if Audi and Mercedes-Benz decides to use Run Flat tire technology going forward they have a disadvantage. With tires being the primary damper in the world of suspension engineering and Run Flats being the culprit in harsh ride, it just shows how far BMW has come in chassis and damping engineering. Run Flats just do not influence the primary ride anymore. Well done BMW!
The car is all round excellent with the only negative being the electric power steering. I am not used to it and I guess I/we should give as much feedback to the manufacturers, suppliers and engineers about this system. I suppose it can be better engineered going forward. Comparing it to the conventional hydraulically assisted system, simply put, shows it to be dull, uncommunicative and very un-BMW like. Especially when going in a straight line the steering feels dead in your hands. The feedback through corners and when pushing hard is also a bit too disconnected from what I am used to. Efficient Dynamics and the pressure on OEM’s to achieve low CO2 emission goals dictates the use of this technology, yet in my opinion it can be improved on.

Verdict
Home run! The ICON retains its title in this segment. Praise to BMW and a simple "thank you" would be in order. I am impressed and proud of the brand - the brand I drive and have come to love.
On the downside: PRICE. Being built locally at BMW's Plant Rosslyn immediately gives us locals the advantage of dodging import tax and duties, yet the F30 is R 30,000.00 to R 40,000.00 more expensive than the E90 it replaces. And, again, the new electronic power steering is a compromise.

Naas’ top tip
If it's space, practicality, comfort you're after and if you’re the connoisseur where the best materials and perceived quality makes your boat float without compromise, the F10 BMW 520d with M-Sportpack suddenly seems like a bargain!

Regards,
Naas.

Dunno if you've read my review. I have driven both the 523i and 520d, the latter with M Sport package + Adaptive suspension. In short, if it was not for the obvious differences in both size and cabin aesthetics, you cannot differentiate between the two (F30 vs F10) in terms of driving comfort.

Martinbo and myself compared notes (via telephonic conversation) after he had the opportunity of driving the F30 today. Him, being the man of words had this to say, explaining the steering feel spot-on and perfectly: "It's glassy" Whereas, disconnected maybe or rather is the wrong term I have used. It's direct, point and squirt also accurate yet you feel no 'tinge ling' in the wrists.

I have explained the F30 to the best of my ability in my review, having spend a lot of time behind the wheel of both test cars @ launch. I cannot ad more than i said, except that again it's a phenomenal chassis and extremely brilliant 8 speed box. (review and photos on Page 8 of this thread)
 
Naas, nice to have a first-hand review of the new 3er, and one that is well-written at that. Curious about the 328i, how would you characterize the refinement and noise to the old NA 3.0L I-6?

It's a really refined engine. And do yourself the favor and go test drive the 328i, if it's only to experience a Turbocharged engine with absolutely no Turbo-lag whatsoever. Mated to the most responsive auto I have ever experienced (Martinbo drove the car yesterday, we had an hour long tele coversation) and he agrees, so much so that he said the auto box redeems dual-clutch transmissions basically useless. Coming back to the engine, however refined, smooth running, powerful and torque it is, it's not an I6. Not as super refined as a typical BMW I6 i.e. 335i and the engine sound is typical 4-pot TwinPower Turbo, it does have a roughness especially at idle - from outside the car. In the cabin the sound from the engine is muted and refined. Also the engine never 'strains', just runs up and down the rev range without any fuss.
IMO as good as it gets this side of an Inline six - yet it can't pretend being a I6 nor do I think BMW intended it to be. It's the epitome of Efficient Dynamics, economical, refined with power, torque and great pace. Whilst it cannot nor will it replace the purists I6, for him/her with deeper pockets no 4-pot will do;)
 
The sport auto you mean? Still, please don't compare it with a proper DCT box :(

DCT is severely missing from the non M line-up! It simly boggles my mind BMW doesn't have it availavle for all cars including the new 5er and new 3er. A 328i with DCT would be pure brilliance imho
 
With all these rave reviews, I really want to drive the F30. Though, I haven't even driven an E90, so I would be going into it quite "cold". I've driven an F10, and though nice, I don't feel that it resembles pure BMW dynamics as much as the F30 does, based on what everybody says. I've driven an E60 extensively, and boy did that thing show me how it feels to have a 4-Door Sedan feel wrapped around you. From the BMW's I've driven, the E60 is my "BMW" benchmark, very raw and connected.
 
The sport auto you mean? Still, please don't compare it with a proper DCT box :(

DCT is severely missing from the non M line-up! It simly boggles my mind BMW doesn't have it availavle for all cars including the new 5er and new 3er. A 328i with DCT would be pure brilliance imho

Klier mate, IMO only a direct comparison between the two boxes will be sufficient enough to really justify one over the other. That 8 speed ZF box is a jewel, you ought to get behind the wheel and experience it to really understand the nature of it's excellence. Who knows!? Maybe with the upcoming M3 the actual surprise could be just that, a newly developed DCT box. One that was made to handle the power and precision required for the I6 Tri-Turbo and it's specific racing nature:D

:t-cheers:
 
I've driven the 8 speed plenty times, and I have driven with the regular DCT (Z4 35i) and M DCT (M3), and I think the difference is like night and day between DCT and automatic...
I admit, I haven't yet driven the sport auto, but I just can't imagine it can replace the DCT?

Oh, and looking at the new M5....the DCT can handle plenty power, and an I6 tri-turbo shouldn't be a problem even right now. A tuned F10 M5 has some insane power, and the gearbox can handle it just fine.
 
You don't have to tell me that. I think the difference between a regular 8 speed and DCT is night and day, particularly downshifts.

You are free to make your own judgement, I just don't need you to tell me I am wrong.
 
The combination that sees the smoothness of shifts coupled with surprisingly direct throttle response and near instant shift times makes this new ZF 8 speed render a dual clutch superfluous in this class of 3er. It's uncanny the near-perfect harmony between engine character and delivery, chassis control and gearbox function. Try as I might to catch that 'box out by flicking down 3 gears or changing the mode from comfort to sport+ and then requesting a gearchange near simultaneously... that ZF 'box just did what it was asked to do. I simply can't believe it's a torque converter auto.

And the ride... mind-blowing on a plain ol' conventionally suspended Sport line 328i. I would love for one of our BMW "insiders" to give us some feedback on whether BMW spent a great deal more effort and money on fine-tuning the dampers fitted to the F30. Certainly feels like it. I drove that F30 on some typically shite Fourways back roads; pockmarked, blistered, cracked, potholed and I was just amazed. Truly impressive trade-off in the ride vs. handling compromise. Quite simply, even on our rubbish suburban roads there is little need to buy the Adaptive Suspension if you intend on using the car as a daily commuter and occasional spirited conveyance. I was truly impressed at how effortlessly the suspension with 18" wheels was able to neutralise high-frequency imperfections that would've unsettled a similarly shod E90. Magic.
 
I've driven the 8 speed plenty times, and I have driven with the regular DCT (Z4 35i) and M DCT (M3), and I think the difference is like night and day between DCT and automatic...
I admit, I haven't yet driven the sport auto, but I just can't imagine it can replace the DCT?

Oh, and looking at the new M5....the DCT can handle plenty power, and an I6 tri-turbo shouldn't be a problem even right now. A tuned F10 M5 has some insane power, and the gearbox can handle it just fine.

As highlighted in your post, we are speaking about the sport auto. And it's exactly the downshifts as I referred to in my review that's so damn impressive. IMHO the next M3 will use a M-specific DCT box and it will be tailored to work wonders with the new engines specific characteristics. Let's assume they use the 8sp sport auto, I am of the opinion that box's software tuning can accommodate the needs regarding the next M3's nature and setup, yet and still I suppose BMW M will opt for something more unique, thus a M-DCT.

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Reading Martin's opinion regarding the 8 speed sports auto, just another IRL experience. This time around from a driving instructor perspective.

Thanks M.:t-cheers:
 
Dunno if you've read my review. I have driven both the 523i and 520d, the latter with M Sport package + Adaptive suspension. In short, if it was not for the obvious differences in both size and cabin aesthetics, you cannot differentiate between the two (F30 vs F10) in terms of driving comfort.

Martinbo and myself compared notes (via telephonic conversation) after he had the opportunity of driving the F30 today. Him, being the man of words had this to say, explaining the steering feel spot-on and perfectly: "It's glassy" Whereas, disconnected maybe or rather is the wrong term I have used. It's direct, point and squirt also accurate yet you feel no 'tinge ling' in the wrists.

I have explained the F30 to the best of my ability in my review, having spend a lot of time behind the wheel of both test cars @ launch. I cannot ad more than i said, except that again it's a phenomenal chassis and extremely brilliant 8 speed box. (review and photos on Page 8 of this thread)


Thanks for that, i'm considering a F10 520i, car test drive is pretty annoying here, too commercial, too serious that makes it not easy to test drive.
Problem with the F10 is probably (i feel) "disconnected" steering feel, yes the confidence is there but the feeling is rather fake, and is rather light, it didn't gave me that instant quick sharp responsive feeling (in the F10).
Not sure about the 320i, but the 520i, with 184hp on the cards, still feels a bit underpowered, it's frustrating, with a car that has so much capabilities that even flooring it wouldn't make it "go". Response of a E87 120i (pre FL with 13X hp or something) seemed to have better response (probably due to its noisier engine).
 
And the ride... mind-blowing on a plain ol' conventionally suspended Sport line 328i. I would love for one of our BMW "insiders" to give us some feedback on whether BMW spent a great deal more effort and money on fine-tuning the dampers fitted to the F30. Certainly feels like it. I drove that F30 on some typically shite Fourways back roads; pockmarked, blistered, cracked, potholed and I was just amazed. Truly impressive trade-off in the ride vs. handling compromise. Quite simply, even on our rubbish suburban roads there is little need to buy the Adaptive Suspension if you intend on using the car as a daily commuter and occasional spirited conveyance. I was truly impressed at how effortlessly the suspension with 18" wheels was able to neutralise high-frequency imperfections that would've unsettled a similarly shod E90. Magic.

Interesting read and thanks for your input, though different than my own this is probably due to the difference between Sport and Lux suspension seting as the dealer did suggest that they felt the Sport was slightly stiffer but couldn't offer me a test drive in one cause the Sport isn't available in 328i or 335i in the UK. Will be interesting to drive an M/Sport when it comes available here to see if it is better suited to my roads.

P.S.
You didn't comment on road noise, how did you find it on your roads?
 
Interesting read and thanks for your input, though different than my own this is probably due to the difference between Sport and Lux suspension seting as the dealer did suggest that they felt the Sport was slightly stiffer but couldn't offer me a test drive in one cause the Sport isn't available in 328i or 335i in the UK. Will be interesting to drive an M/Sport when it comes available here to see if it is better suited to my roads.

P.S.
You didn't comment on road noise, how did you find it on your roads?

While awaiting Martinbo's reply on your question, I experienced more wind noise from the side view mirrors than tire or road noise (I also have to ad that is was a rather windy day). The lack of tire roar and typical road noise intruding into the cabin is part of the testimony that ads to the ride quality IMO.
 
It must be the choice of road surface used in the UK that is effecting most recent cars because the 3 series have noticeable road noise which UK journalists have also complained of and I noticed the same issue with the A6 when we had it out.
 
I personally found road noise on the 18" wheels to be more than acceptably surpressed. Of course, road noise is very surface-specific and there's no way that I could've covered all of the surface permutations over a range of speeds. But no, nothing untoward by my estimation.
 

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