Comparison tests BMW 125i vs. Mercedes Benz A250

[Levi68]

For example.
More grip= better drive. (Audi)
Less grip= worse drive (BMW)
A fact.

Still for some to understand that this is not about the A3 is too demanding for the concept through their "brains".

Toyota GT86 = no grip at all, but most praised sportscar.

 

[eryk03]

Toyota GT86 = no grip at all, but most praised sportscar.

Automotive Editors love the cars that are poorly drive and have to fight with the car.

 

[Deckhook]

This whole thing is getting out of hand, lets just say that everyone is entitled to have their own opinion as to what is best to drive and leave it at that.

 

[eryk03]

Funny because the topic of 125i and A250 is the least we talk about these cars ...

 

[Human]

What is best to DRIVE is not something you're entitled to decide based on any sort of brand preference or liking.

DRIVE is the enthusiasts (non-biased, non-fanboy) domain IMO. Chris Harris can DRIVE and I'l read his write-up and believe it DRIVE's good, mediocre or excellent etc. See, there are only but a few REAL DRIVER's cars out there and currently the Toyota GT86 is the cheapest and I believe the 458 Italia is currently the most dearer choice. In between Porsche, BMW, Lotus, R8 etc....Only REAL ENTHUSIASTIC DRIVER's who can drive a car on the limit and those really only get to enjoy a DRIVERS car at the limit can really choose his/her favourite (her, because Vicky Henderson-Henderson Butler and Sabina Schmitz comes to mind)

How a car RIDES, now that could only be Benz's domain and more up the ladder the RR Phantom.

IMO, IMO! Magic word here!

Example: Member that CAN drive, driving a car that begs to be DRIVEN. The BMW 1M Coupe

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[Mark]

For example.
More grip= better drive. (Audi)
Less grip= worse drive (BMW)
A fact.

Aside from that being utter nonsense, you should know that simply adding "IMO" or "IMHO" in front of what you claim would make a huge difference and go a long way with your fellow members.. it could, for example, make the difference between maintaining a valid membership and getting banned in your case.. just FYI.

Also, please stay on topic.

 

[eryk03]

Aside from that being utter nonsense, you should know that simply adding "IMHO" in front of what you state would make a huge difference and go a long way.. it could be the difference between maintaining a valid membership or getting permanently banned for good.. just FYI..

The forum is in the hands of BMW fanboys, someone says something bad to holy BMW is threatening to ban.
Do not change me opinion just because fanboys do not like it.

 

[Deckhook]

If the words IMHO have to be written every single time anyone makes a statement then the numbers of members getting this ban will increase dramatically, I think most comments on here are the opinion of the poster and are seldom facts regardless if they claim it to be so (myself an offender I might add).

For example.
More grip= better drive. (Audi)
Less grip= worse drive (BMW)
A fact.

This might have made more sense if it had been worded

More grip = easier to drive quickly
Less grip = more demanding to drive quickly
IMHO

And left out brand choice altogether.

 

[Mark]

The forum is in the hands of BMW fanboys, someone says something bad to holy BMW is threatening to ban.
Do not change me opinion just because fanboys do not like it.

Now you see what you just said there?

me opinion

That is OK, which says it's 'in your opinion'. Instead of what you said earlier..

A fact

There are just so many variables that can make your statement go either way depending on conditions, specs, tires used, etc.. sometimes it can go how you say it, sometimes it'll be just the opposite.. it's a variable, and it won't matter if you claim it as your opinion against different brands, be it BMW, Mercedes, etc.. Just keep that in mind and let your fellow members know 'it is your opinion', and also please stay on topic.

 

[Mark]

I think most comments on here are the opinion of the poster and are seldom facts regardless if they claim it to be so (myself an offender I might add).

I agree. It's how it is written that makes the difference. We all know that
It's the difference between someone always stating his/her opinion and getting thanked vs blasting away hateful words that cause our reporting tool to get flooded with complains about x member and then Moderators having to take action. I'm just trying to prevent the obvious from happening here, that's all.

Sorry for the OT post guys.

 

[eryk03]

Let's be honest, previous A3 was never engaging car to drive. Steering is awful, chassi too soft and manul gearbox with no feel whatsoever. Even Golf Gti or Scirroco drives better. I havent tried the new A3 but from the reviews it doenst seem to improved much.
I've driven the new 1-series and I think it lost some of the driving charm from previous 1-series but still, the car drives well. M135i must be a dream to drive.

You forgot to add "IMO"... You may be banned in the other case.
IMO previous S3 drive better than any of 1 series.

 

[Zafiro]

IMO previous S3 drive better than any of 1 series.

In what way does the S3 drive better?
Steering, manual gearbox and chassi is worse than 130i so I dont see how S3 drives better. I assume you speaking of snow driving.

 

[Deckhook]

^He might be referring to lap times between them though without checking this is only an assumption.

 

[Zafiro]

^He might be referring to lap times between them though without checking this is only an assumption.

Since when does a laptime determine which car is the best drive?
And I also doubt Eryk been doing a lot of laptimes on tracks with both 130i and S3 to know which one is the best car for the track.

 

[Deckhook]

Since when does a laptime determine which car is a better drive?
And I also doubt Eryk been doing a lot of laptimes on tracks with both 130i and S3 to know which one is the best car for the track.

Mate I don't know what he has or hasn't driven and neither do I know how he bases he's opinions, all I was offering was a possible reason why he might feel this way, that's all.

 

[Zafiro]

Mate I don't know what he has or hasn't driven and neither do I know how he bases he's opinions, all I was offering was a possible reason why he might feel this way, that's all.

Deck you are grown man with experience, dont tell me you think A3 drives better than 1-series. A standard A3 with 211 hp do not give you great driving satisfaction for the reasons I said earlier and you must know this too.

 

[Deckhook]

Deck you are grown man with experience, dont tell me you think A3 drives better than 1-series. A standard A3 with 211 hp do not give you great driving satisfaction for the reasons I said earlier and you must know this too.

I'm not saying that at all, though having driven both a previous model 120d and A3 2.0TDI I preferred the Audi but for other reasons than purely driving appeal. This is what is wrong with many debates on here, too much black and white opinions on what's best without accepting that someone might have a different opinion. I can fully understand someone still wet behind the ears desiring driving appeal above everything else but the more years you drive the more you realise that you seldom drive near the limit and other aspects of ownership have more importance.

 

[Giannis]

Giannis, I can only assume the lateness of your reply is the reason you didn't notice I wrote 'car enthusiast' and not 'driving enthusiast', a car enthusiast loves cars in the same way as a dog lover loves dogs, what you are doing is the eqivalent to narrowing this down to a type of breed of dog.

Yeap, you are right on this one. I gotta admit it!

 

[Zafiro]

I'm not saying that at all, though having driven both a previous model 120d and A3 2.0TDI I preferred the Audi but for other reasons than purely driving appeal. This is what is wrong with many debates on here, too much black and white opinions on what's best without accepting that someone might have a different opinion. I can fully understand someone still wet behind the ears desiring driving appeal above everything else but the more years you drive the more you realise that you seldom drive near the limit and other aspects of ownership have more importance.

I never driven a car to the limit. I dont need to, how to know if a car is a good drive or not. Some people seem to think you need to drive like a maniac to know.

 

[Deckhook]

I never driven a car to the limit. I dont need to, how to know if a car is a good drive or not. Some people seem to think you need to drive like a maniac to know.

True but too many here base their preferences and desires on how they 'think' a car drives at the limit, personally I have never driven anything at the limit on the road and neither should anyone because such an act would be stupid. But for me I preferred the driving character of the A3 to that of the 1er but each to their own and I can't argue with you if you prefer it the other way round.