Comparison tests BMW 125i vs. Mercedes Benz A250
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Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
Hey dude! what have I ever done to you.....
With all due respect Klier, if there's anybody on this forum who acts like a child and doesn't stay objective about the facts, it's you, so the idea that you're preaching to somebody else how to act more maturely is completely laughable. However, if you want to follow your own guidelines in the future then I am all for it. I've been trying to get you to listen for as long as I can remember.
Having said that, I do think you have a point when it comes to the 1 Series. I haven't driven one myself (I believe you have), but I expect it will be the class leader in handling and the reviews I've read seem to point that way. I expect to be driving a 1 Series the weekend after next, so I'll judge for myself then.
Klier, you have a point.
eryk03, you're not making any sense whatsoever.
In the meantime...............
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
Let's be honest, previous A3 was never engaging car to drive. Steering is awful, chassi too soft and manul gearbox with no feel whatsoever. Even Golf Gti or Scirroco drives better. I havent tried the new A3 but from the reviews it doenst seem to improved much.
I've driven the new 1-series and I think it lost some of the driving charm from previous 1-series but still, the car drives well. M135i must be a dream to drive.
I've driven the new 1-series and I think it lost some of the driving charm from previous 1-series but still, the car drives well. M135i must be a dream to drive.
If you don't like the way the BMW 1 Series drives, then you must dislike the way the Audi R8 drives, even more.
klier
Premium
You don't get it, but what's new?
eryk03, your conduct on this forum is unacceptable. Clean up your act or get banned permanently.
Oh I get it Klier, someone said something bad about BMW and you want them hung, drawn and quartered. lol but it's you that doesn't get the fact you are the worst offender for this.
Driving appeal is just as subjective as looks or perceived quality and no one can tell someone else what they should prefer to drive.
Sorry to be off-topic, but is that visible warning a new feature?
I think it is a GREAT idea!
I think it is a GREAT idea!
martinbo
Staff member
You have no idea how many times I face palmed reading this post. Seriously, look around and notice that this is a car enthusiasts site. There are generally accepted characteristics that make cars enjoyable to drive to car enthusiasts (and not doilley-knitting grannies in the way you're carrying on) so if you feel that terminal understeer and a lack of throttle adjustability constitutes a subjectively good drive then so be it. Just don't expect the rest of us to buy into your own ideals.
Yikes, you should've stayed on holiday.
^Have you lost the plot here Martin, do you have the right to tell anyone else what they might prefer driving, if you do then this power of being a Mod has gone to your head. It's like saying red is the best colour to have a Ferrari in because its the most popular, driving preference is as subjective as anything else.
Hell my M3 might have been a better handling, more entertaining at the limit than my S4 but that doesn't mean I prefer driving it more. Oh and another thing since when did all car enthusiasts agree on handling/entertainment as the single most important thing about a car, some might put as much importance in looks, engine type, comfort, luxuries, etc. Stop trying to put your requirements on ours.
Hell my M3 might have been a better handling, more entertaining at the limit than my S4 but that doesn't mean I prefer driving it more. Oh and another thing since when did all car enthusiasts agree on handling/entertainment as the single most important thing about a car, some might put as much importance in looks, engine type, comfort, luxuries, etc. Stop trying to put your requirements on ours.
Opinion on colors, designs and needs, is one thing, but fact that no Audi, except R8, drives better than RWD BMW is another thing.
And in fact why is there talk about Audi when this thread is about A Class vs. 1 Series.
PS: Mercedes fans are the most mature, not like BMW fans, or even worse Audi fans.
And in fact why is there talk about Audi when this thread is about A Class vs. 1 Series.
PS: Mercedes fans are the most mature, not like BMW fans, or even worse Audi fans.
Giannis
Staff member
Despite it's already 4.51am here as I just came home after a few drinks, I am tempted to reply to this post of yours.
The colour of a Ferrari has nothing to do with what a driving enthusiast demands from a car. This answers why diesel engines aren't considered sporty, and so are slushboxes and, up to a point, turbos. What a driving enthusiast wants is presice steering, instant response of the gas pedal (which gives him the ability to steer with the gas pedal), a precise and informative gearbox and staff like that.
Sadly, there are still many many people that can't see the difference between a heavy steering and an informative steering, which is something I won't explain.
Also, it's completely logical that one also sees a car as a tool and that sometimes, or usually most of the time, all he wants is a relaxed drive. A comfortable car that makes going from point A to point B, as easy and relaxed as possible. That's why I have a Volvo. But it's no good at all when I want a spirited drive.
Recently there has been reported an increasing number of manufacturers that produce cars that are easy to go fast. Audi is such an example. An M3 is a more demanding drive compared to an S4. If you have the guts and ability to take an M3 to the limit it will be a million times more rewarding than an S4. But it's far more easy to go hell fast with an S4. If that's what makes you happy, I can understand, but to my (and not only my) book, this is not what makes me smile. With hard work comes great enjoyment, or work hard - party hard, as a friend is constantly reminding me, despite he doesn't really practice the "work hard" part.
Finally, I hope that "someone who sees luxuries and looks as more important compared to a proper chassis and handling characteristics is still a driving enthusiast", is a joke, because in my world, this is totally wrong. There's nothing wrong with prefering such things over proper handling, but for god's sake, don't call it "I am a driving enthusiast and I will choose the LED package instead of the sport suspension from the option list". It's just two opposite things.
Either that, or I am too old for this sith...
Yeap, it's a new feature of the XenForo software we now use for GCF.
Giannis, I can only assume the lateness of your reply is the reason you didn't notice I wrote 'car enthusiast' and not 'driving enthusiast', a car enthusiast loves cars in the same way as a dog lover loves dogs, what you are doing is the eqivalent to narrowing this down to a type of breed of dog. And what erky03 was saying (I think) is that he prefers something other than what BMW and the 1 series has to offer driving wise, which means the what drives best is purely subjective because it's different for everyone.
As for steering feel, again it's subjective and down to the individual, my kart is a million times more feelsome than any BMW yet I wouldn't want my daily driver to feel this way, there has to be a happy medium but what that needs to be will be different for everyone. So again you pigeon holing your opinion on to steering feel and how it should be to your own personal preferences, as with diesels.
As for steering feel, again it's subjective and down to the individual, my kart is a million times more feelsome than any BMW yet I wouldn't want my daily driver to feel this way, there has to be a happy medium but what that needs to be will be different for everyone. So again you pigeon holing your opinion on to steering feel and how it should be to your own personal preferences, as with diesels.
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
If driving style is subjective then tell me, whatever is there to like about the driving behavior from previous A3. What does the car offer that the competition doesnt from a driving point of view?
The new A3 doens't seem to been improved much in this area despite being 80 kg's lighter.
The new A3 doens't seem to been improved much in this area despite being 80 kg's lighter.
It is not. What drives best is a fact. Of course everybody is free to prefer something that drives worse.
Well that depends on what you are looking for, some might say nothing else drives as well as a Rolls but clearly they aren't taking from a dynamics point of view. All I am saying is to dismiss a differing opinion as wrong because it's not the same as yours isn't right and neither can you expect your opinion to be the final word on the subject.
For example.
More grip= better drive. (Audi)
Less grip= worse drive (BMW)
A fact.
Still for some to understand that this is not about the A3 is too demanding for the concept through their "brains".
What complete and utter nonsense.
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