Vs Audi S3 vs BMW M135i

[martinbo]

Notice how the heinously hideous (from the front) 1er is clawing back a draw after being down and out with just a third of the votes. Could it be that some folks here think that beauty is more than skin deep? Are there some of us willing to forego style for the sake of substance?

Ah, the rich tapestry of diverse automotive opinion that is GCF. Gotta love it.

 

[mini_cooper4]

The A3 looks dull as dirt in these pics and the 1er is literally offensive to look at.

I guess I can just say I'm glad we don't have these problems (yet, at least) in the U.S.

I wish we had more members like this guy... is he new ?

Heard someone singing "if only, if only she can beat the M135i... I'll be so happy... I'll jizz in my pants. If only, if only"
I simply love music guys
Have a good one!

 

[Gianclaudio]

I wish we had more members like this guy... he's so handsome and I love him

I always knew you guys had something going around.

On topic: I share Kowalski point of view. I couldn't really have a car that looks that bad (in MY opinion), even if drives like heaven. (talking about premium or special cars. A Kangoo dued for work, doesn't mind) The Multipla with Corvette engine comparo was spot on

And let's don't put the driving experience in the balance, as we simply don't know how the S3 drives, even if predictable, the M135 will be "better"

Regards!

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Allow me to sum up this thread.

We have a group of people arguing that their SUBJECTIVE opinion is more valid than the group's SUBJECTIVE opinion. 95% of the people haven't driven one of the cars, and 100% haven't driven the other. 90% haven't even SEEN one of the cars in real life, and again, 100% haven't seen the other car. Every single one of these contributors could prioritise their requirements from the vehicle in a completely different order to everybody else. The vast majority probably have no intention of even buying either car, let alone test driving one. Add to this certain people favouring one or the other particular manufacturer even before the question was even asked.

Wait for a few months and we'll have exactly the same thread when the first magazine comparison tests are published, and the usual crowd will wade in and protest why their favourite car should have won, even though by this point they still won't have actually driven said car themselves.

Rinse and repeat.

P.S. I chose the S3 because the receptionist at my local Audi dealership is bloody gorgeous.

 

[Giannis]

Allow me to sum up this thread.

We have a group of people arguing that their SUBJECTIVE opinion is more valid than the group's SUBJECTIVE opinion. 95% of the people haven't driven one of the cars, and 100% haven't driven the other. 90% haven't even SEEN one of the cars in real life, and again, 100% haven't seen the other car. Every single one of these contributors could prioritise their requirements from the vehicle in a completely different order to everybody else. The vast majority probably have no intention of even buying either car, let alone test driving one. Add to this certain people favouring one or the other particular manufacturer even before the question was even asked.

Wait for a few months and we'll have exactly the same thread when the first magazine comparison tests are published, and the usual crowd will wade in and protest why their favourite car should have won, even though by this point they still won't have actually driven said car themselves.

Rinse and repeat.

P.S. I chose the S3 because the receptionist at my local Audi dealership is bloody gorgeous.

What's the point of being a member of a car forum, if there are a hundred reasons not to discuss these two cars? Why make this thread in the first place? And if you find it pointless, why waste a precious minute from your time, just to post the above post?

 

[mini_cooper4]

I always knew you guys had something going around.

On topic: I share Kowalski point of view. I couldn't really have a car that looks that bad (in MY opinion), even if drives like heaven. (talking about premium or special cars. A Kangoo dued for work, doesn't mind) The Multipla with Corvette engine comparo was spot on

And let's don't put the driving experience in the balance, as we simply don't know how the S3 drives, even if predictable, the M135 will be "better"

Regards!

Great post, mate... you've earned a special like as I can see

 

[Betty Swollocks]

What's the point of being a member of a car forum, if there are a hundred reasons not to discuss these two cars?

I never said people shouldn't discuss it. My point is that it's not intelligent discussion. The thread started off OK, focusing on the mechanical and spec differences such as the weights and power. Now it's just fanboy v fanboy.

And if you find it pointless, why waste a precious minute from your time, just to post the above post?

Because I wanted to improve the quality of the thread by at least 75%.

 

[Zafiro]

EDIT: do you guys see the pictures above?

 

[Deckhook]

Sure, there no set rule. Also, the fact that let's say gas engines are considered more sporty than diesel powered ones, is just mythology. Sarcasm aside, I can be wrong on that. So I'm not going to insist on that one.

The diesel vs petrol is a good argument but one for another thread I feel because there's plus and minus points for either.

But, you have to keep in mind that it's just a Haldex system we are talking about. If it had the torsen system of its bigger brothers, the S3 could be very well a hell of a drive, but Haldex's capabilities, are just limited.

Your mind is set solely on the opinion that you need the tail to be out to get enjoyment from a car which is why you are dismissing the Haldex but not the torsen. I could equally argue that I have gotten huge amounts of pleasure driving a FWD car as I have either AWD or RWD and it's how each is setup that determines this outcome.

Best to wait and drive both before making a swiping statement that the M135i is the only consideration when it comes to driving pleasure.

 

[ACE]

Don't you think that there may be some people who think it looks ok?

Um, yes, but they seem to be in a very small minority.

Don't you think a true car enthusiast would choose an I6 with RWD over a I4 with AWD?

Probably... if that was the ONLY difference. But I don't think a "true car enthusiast " (as opposed to a "false car enthusiast"? Is that someone who does/doesn't always vote for the BMW?) would choose a car based on this criteria, otherwise the "true car enthusiast" could land up with a Toyota Cressida instead of a Mitsubishi Evo FQ400.

I would take the M135i because on paper it is the superior performance vehicle. It's ugly, but I am looking to drive it, not marry it!

 

[Zafiro]

I seem to be the only one who actually manage to make a head to head comparison between new A3 and 1er with M-package (new A-class). I know its not S3 or M135i but the cars I drove still give you an idea how the more powerful versions compare in terms of driving.

Steering feel, both A3 and 1er are close, there is no winner in this category. Both offer great steering feel. Manual gearbox are good in both cars with 1er with a slightly more meaty feel. Handling, neither of them handles bad because on the streets no one will ever feel the lack of handling or grip. A3 suffer from more understeer than 1-series but not by much. Also when you did a quick launch with A3, the tyres felt like they were bouncing, maybe I had bad luck with the car I drove or that fwd sometimes can't handle too much torque but S3 comes with sportdifferental and AWD so I don't think its going to be a problem.

What I didn't like about A3 is the high seat position. With 1er, you sit much lower which mean the driver feels more connected to the road and gives you a sporty feeling, same goes for the new A-class.

I still today don't know which car I would buy, A3 or 1er M. Because from a driving point of view both A3 and 1er are close. I can assure you, it aint going to be a walk in the park for M135i when those comparisons are coming in.

 

[Deckhook]

As I keep saying, there's more than one way to skin a cat. You may prefer one way over another but this doesn't mean the other way is wrong.

 

[ACE]

I can assure you, it aint going to be a walk in the park for M135i when those comparisons are coming in.

I am quite confident M135i will win every performance comparison (unless they're driving on slippery surfaces), so it depends on how close your "walk in the park" definition is. The S3 may still win some comparo's but it won't be because of performance.

 

[klier]

P.S. I chose the S3 because the receptionist at my local Audi dealership is bloody gorgeous.

But...but the lady who cleans the floor at my BMW dealer is even prettier...

 

[Zafiro]

But...but the lady who cleans the floor at my BMW dealer is even prettier...

Maybe Betty isn't attracted to drag queen's

 

[klier]

Notice how the heinously hideous (from the front) 1er is clawing back a draw after being down and out with just a third of the votes. Could it be that some folks here think that beauty is more than skin deep? Are there some of us willing to forego style for the sake of substance?

There is still some hope left after all! Not everyone is brainwashed by Deckhook and Tumbo yet.

Maybe Betty isn't attracted to drag queen's

And you're implying I am? I feel offended and dirty!

Because I wanted to improve the quality of the thread by at least 75%.

But instead, it went down by another 10%. Good job.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

BMW clearly think 4WD is an acceptable performance solution because they offer the M135i as an xDrive too. So why are we not comparing that model with the S3?

 

[Zafiro]

BMW clearly think 4WD is an acceptable performance solution because they offer the M135i as an xDrive too. So why are we not comparing that model with the S3?

A BMW isnt a real BMW with AWD
Personally I wouldnt even consider M135i wth AWD or automatic gearbox, thats why I dont bother to mention it. Why talk about something Im not intrested in.

 

[Mr Robert]

I don't know why the Audi should be the starting point. It is the same thing in all Audi vs the rest comparison - "oh, but add 4WD, that makes it more like the Audi". Heck, if people wants something more Audi, then go buy an Audi.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I don't know why the Audi should be the starting point.

It's not about a "starting point". It's about having the cars that are closest matched. Even though BMW have a 4WD version you still think the S3 should be compared with the RWD version. That doesn't make any sense.

For the record, I couldn't give a toss who wins out of BMW v Audi. I know I say this a lot but I feel some people fail to see beyond the cars I own.

 

[Zafiro]

Even though BMW have a 4WD version you still think the S3 should be compared with the RWD version.

Absolutly! why should I compare AWD M135i to S3 when I have no absolute intrest in AWD M135i or M135i with automatic gearbox. Its all about what your personal intrest is, not which one is most fair. RWD bimmers been compared to AWD Audi as long as I've lived, like M3 vs RS4 or M5 vs Rs6 and it shall continue.

 

[ACE]

A BMW isnt a real BMW with AWD
Personally I wouldnt even consider M135i wth AWD or automatic gearbox, thats why I dont bother to mention it. Why talk about something Im not intrested in.

Time for a reality check; just 'cos you choose to ignore something doesn't make it reality for everyone else.

It is the same thing in all (all? really?) Audi vs the rest comparison - "oh, but add 4WD, that makes it more like the Audi". Heck, if people wants something more Audi, then go buy an Audi.

Or they could buy the BMW M135xi which BMW have chosen to produce.

 

[Zafiro]

Time for a reality check; just 'cos you choose to ignore something doesn't make it reality for everyone else.

And why do I care how others feel to do?
I buy cars for myself not to please others.

 

[ACE]

And why do I care how others feel to do?
I buy cars for myself not to please others. Thats why I wouldnt compare a awd M135i with S3.

You don't need to care how others feel. I am just saying that YOUR thoughts don't make Betty wrong.

 

[Zafiro]

You don't need to care how others feel. I am just saying that YOUR thoughts don't make Betty wrong.

Who said anything about Betty? I simply replied to why I dont care for 135i awd.

You say you want a M135i, then Im curious, do you want a M135i AWD or RWD?

 

[Deckhook]

Absolutly! why should I compare AWD M135i to S3 when I have no absolute intrest in AWD M135i or M135i with automatic gearbox. Its all about what your personal intrest is, not which one is most fair. RWD bimmers been compared to AWD Audi as long as I've lived, like M3 vs RS4 or M5 vs Rs6 and it shall continue.

I'm confused, is it the AWD or the automatic gearbox you have a problem with because you seem to be still considering the S3 or is this wrong?