Quattro/S2 Audi Quattro Concept

[The Pretender]

Now all that's needed is for Audi to price it so that it competes with the M4.

With a 650 hp 4.0 V8 Biturbo engine under the bonnet, it will end up in the double price range then a M4, IMHO.

 

[Levi68]

Yes I don't get that. It went from a 400 PS I5 to a 650 PS V8? That is not exactly the engine I would like. I'd prefer an I5, at max a V6. I would like this car to be light, and not GT. I'd like this to be a sort of premium WRX STI.

 

[Deckhook]

With a 650 hp 4.0 V8 Biturbo engine under the bonnet, it will end up in the double price range then a M4, IMHO.

So what you are saying is it will remain concept and not a true production car because that engine in this spec is all about grabbing headlines rather than anything else.

 

[Tumbo]

Now all that's needed is for Audi to price it so that it competes with the M4.

Audi has already a car that competes with the M4. The RS5. This car has nothing to do with the M4.

 

[Deckhook]

Audi has already a car that competes with the M4. The RS5. This car has nothing to do with the M4.

I think you will be shocked by how uncompetitive the RS5 will be against the new M4 in the same way as the E92 M3 will struggle to compete with it. Audi needs something more focus and lighter to take the fight to BMW and in my opinion that's what the Quattro Concept would be perfect for.

 

[Tumbo]

I think you will be shocked by how uncompetitive the RS5 will be against the new M4 in the same way as the E92 M3 will struggle to compete with it. Audi needs something more focus and lighter to take the fight to BMW and in my opinion that's what the Quattro Concept would be perfect for.

And then the new generation A5 comes, and turns will turn again.
No matter how you put it: BMW 4er = Audi A5. Period.

 

[JHF]

I think you will be shocked by how uncompetitive the RS5 will be against the new M4 in the same way as the E92 M3 will struggle to compete with it. Audi needs something more focus and lighter to take the fight to BMW and in my opinion that's what the Quattro Concept would be perfect for.

But few years later the next gen RS5 comes with the turbo engine (and it will be much lighter than now), and it will competes with the M4.

 

[Deckhook]

Guys I sincerely hope you are right with the next A/S/RS5 but it really does need to lose a lot of weight and much more than a 100-150kgs because the current one was 150kg heavier than the E92 M3 and if the rumours of the new one dropping a further 100kg proves true then the next RS5 will need to drop at least 200kg+ to remain competitive and that's a very big ask.

 

[The Pretender]

The next A5/S5/RS5 generation will be a completly different animal.
It is already clear that the next gen RS5 will have a all new 3.0 V6 Bi-turbo engine with 478 hp. (little brother to the 4.0TFSI V8 Bi-turbo engine)
This new quattro has a different purpes within Audi then the A5 serie have.

 

[Deckhook]

^Throwing horsepower isn't the best way or the right way to achieve the desirable results, dropping weight is the only way. The RS5 might have been as quick as the M3 but not even I wouldn't deny you felt all those extras kilos, actually its my opinion that if the RS5 hadn't had quattro it would have been well off the mark.

 

[Levi68]

What tells us that the next RS5 won't be alot lighter? The new A4 isn't even out. Till the next RS5, it might alos have alot of CF components. Audi is very competitive, I'm sure the next RS5 will be much closer to M3 than the current one is. As for the Quattro, IMO it should be Cayman/GT86 light and have I5 engine, nothing more. It should be the Audi version of "BMW M CSL".

 

[JHF]

Could use a twin-turbo V8

The 30th anniversary of the 1984 Audi Sport Quattro is right around the corner and a new report is indicating the company will celebrate the occasion by introducing a successor at the Frankfurt Motor Show.
Autozeitung says the model will be sportier than the 2011 Quattro concept and have a "much sharper" shape than the original study.
The car is also expected to incorporate a number of lightweight components including carbon fiber reinforced plastic (CFRP), aluminum and magnesium. This could enable the model to tip the scales at just 1300 kg (2866 lbs).
While the Quattro concept used a turbocharged 2.5-liter five-cylinder engine that developed 408 HP (300 kW) and 480 Nm (354 lb-ft) of torque, the new model is rumored to have a twin-turbo 4.0-liter V8 that produces up to 650 HP (478 kW). This could enable the car to rocket from 0-100 km/h in as little as 3.4 seconds.
We can also expect carbon-ceramic brakes, a sport quattro rear differential and a sport-tuned suspension with adaptive dampers.
If everything pans out, the car could be built by quattro GmbH and cost roughly €115,000 ($153,240 / £97,930).


http://www.worldcarfans.com/113061458855/audi-sport-quattro-successor-headed-to-frankfurt---report

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

So another concept? I'd rather it have the turbo 5.

 

[Levi68]

I don't believe in a Quattro with V8 making 650 PS, weighing 1300 kg and costing € 115.000. It is faster than R8, 911, SLS, ANY BMW!!!! and costs least of all.

 

[The Pretender]

Der VW-Konzern rüstet für die Frankfurter IAA 2013.
Heiße Messe-Neuheiten planen alle Marken, aber die Überraschung bietet Audi – einen extremen Leichtbau-Sportler im zackigen Coupé-Kleid.
Die Ingolstädter planen allen Ernstes die Serienversion.

Mit einem ultrasportlichen Kracher will Audi auf der Frankfurter IAA die Rivalen BMW und Mercedes schocken.
Streng geheim ist das Thema, das schon seit Wochen das Okay des Vorstands hat – und jetzt heftig die Ingolstädter Designer und Entwicklungsingenieure beschäftigt.
Es ist wirklich der Hammer: Audi plant quasi die Wiederauferstehung des legendären Sport Quattro von 1984.

Dazu wird jetzt Stück für Stück die heiß diskutierte Quattro Concept Studie von 2011 zu einem Serienmodell umgebaut, das schon in gut zwei Jahren – so lautet die aktuelle Vorgabe – in einer Kleinserien-Produktion starten soll.
Ein radikaler Sportler, wie es ihn bei Audi noch nie gab, soll es werden.
Deshalb bleibt kein Stein auf dem anderen.
Erstens wird die Karosse des 2+2-Sitzers noch viel schärfer und skulpturaler als die der Studie.
Der Racer, der den A5 als Basis nutzt, ist gut 4,40 Meter lang, rund 1,87 m breit und nur etwa 1,34 m hoch.
Zweitens soll die Leichtbau-Karosse einen ordentlichen Laderaum bieten.
Das ganze Auto, das auf einen Materialmix aus kohlefaserverstärktem Kunststoff (CFK), Aluminium und Magnesium setzt, dürfte nur um die 1300 Kilo wiegen.
Ein Audi-Manager: „Das wird ein magisches Auto.“

AUDI QUATTRO CONCEPT: BIS ZU 650 PS IN SICHT

Permanenter Allradantrieb ist Pflicht, und bei der Power will es Audi auf die Spitze treiben.
Denn unter der Motorhaube arbeitet nicht der 408 PS starke Fünfzylinder-Turbo aus der Studie, sondern die Antriebseinheit des RS 7.
Im Klartext: Der 300 km/h schnelle Super-Quattro erhält den 4,0 Liter großen Biturbo-V8, der hier dann sogar bis zu 650 PS abliefern soll (RS 7: 560 PS).
Und der kann sogar sparen, denn bei geringer bis mittlerer Last und Drehzahl werden die Zylinder 2, 3, 5 und 8 stillgelegt, indem die Ventile über elektro-mechanische Aktoren geschlossen werden.
Der Sprint von null auf Tempo 100? Wir rechnen mal mit 3,4 Sekunden.

Zudem soll der Quattro sensationelle Kurvenkünste offerieren – inklusive Sportdifferenzial an der Hinterachse sowie Kohlefaser- Keramik-Bremsscheiben.
Preislich soll das extreme Coupé (ein Roadster ist nicht geplant) das untere Level des R8 knacken, diskutiert werden rund 115.000 Euro.
In Relation zum bekannten Sportwagen soll der Quattro mehr Langstreckenkomfort bieten – die adaptive Dämpfung magnetic ride, die die Stoßdämpfer nach Bedarf variiert, ist an Bord.
Gebaut wird der Audi übrigens in Handarbeit bei der Neckarsulmer Quattro GmbH.

 

[Levi68]

If true, BMW = Game Over.


Very excited. Can't wait till Frankfurt.

3,4 sec? No way. A GTR weighs 500 kg more and has 100 PS less and does a sprint in 2.9 sec. RS6 is a +2 tonnes wagon and does the sprint in 3.9 sec. In real life it is even faster. 650 PS and 1300 kg will do the sprint in 2.7 sec. It will be the fastest car of all (excluding Bugatti, Pagani, Koenigssegg, LaFerrari, P1).


But it is difficult to believe it will weigh as much as an MP4-12C.

4,40 m long?

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Would somebody do the non-German speaking members a favour and give us the general gist of that article?

Thanking you.

 

[Giannis]

Would somebody do the non-German speaking members a favour and give us the general gist of that article?

Thanking you.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, 1650 horsepower, blah, blah, blah, BMW is dead.

 

[Levi68]

Would somebody do the non-German speaking members a favour and give us the general gist of that article?

Thanking you.

- Audi prepares to shock the rival at the IAA 2013 with a sporty extreme lightweight coupé
- A production version is planned in all seriousness as a revival of the legendary Quattro
- The concept from 2011 is rebuilt piece by piece into a small-series production version that should arrive to the market within 2 years
- The body of the 2+2 seater will be even more sharply designed than before
- The car that is based on an A5 is the be 4,40 m long, 1,87 wide and 1,34 high and should offer a good quantity of stowage
- The car chassis is made of a mix of metrials: carbon fiber, aluminium, magensium. It should weigh about 1.300 kg
- One Audi-Manager: "It will be a magical car."
- AWD is obligatory as under the bonnet there is no more the 408 PS 5 cylinder engine of the concept but a 4.0 liter turbocharged 8 cylinder that would make up to 650 PS
- The engine will have cylinder deactivation for reduced fuel consumption
- Acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h in done 3,4 sec and top speed is above 300 km/h
- The new Quattro should also have superb handling with sport-differential at the rear axle and have ceramic brakes
- The Coupé should be priced at about € 115.000, a convertibel is not planned
- Compared to the Quattro sportscar, this new car will be more comfortable for long trips with magnetic ride that variates the dampers according to the needs
- The new Quattro will be handbuilt at Neckarsulmer Quattro GmbH

 

[JHF]

It's coming in next year for sale

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/frankfurt-motor-show/600bhp-audi-quattro-return-2014

Audi is plotting a return of the legendary Quattro to its line-up, some 30 years after the original model appeared.
The new model, which promises to be one of the manufacturer’s most exciting cars of recent times, is set to be unveiled at the Frankfurt motor show in September, before going on sale next year.
The modern-day Quattro aims to revive the spirit of the rally-bred Sport Quattro launched in 1984, and has been conceived as a limited-production model that is set to be priced well above that of any existing Audi - which means more than £125,000. It will be assembled on a dedicated line at the Quattro division in Neckarsulm, Germany.
First hinted at in 2010 with the unveiling of the Audi Quattro concept, the new car is expected to form the centrepiece of Audi’s renewed focus on four-wheel drive following moves by Jaguar, BMW and Mercedes-Benz to increase the number of four-wheel-drive models in their line-ups.
Audi has yet to confirm that it is readying a revised version of the two-year-old Quattro concept for limited production, but Ingolstadt officials have already revealed to Autocar that the focus of the company’s activities at the Frankfurt show will be on four-wheel drive. “We have a great history with quattro four-wheel drive and this will be reflected by what we have in store for the Frankfurt motor show,” said a source.
Details remain scarce, but in a move aimed at reining in development costs and providing crucial economies of scale, Audi is thought to have held firm to its original plans to base the road-going production version of the well received Quattro concept on a modified version of the MLB platform that underpins the A5.
However, while the concept rode on a 2600mm wheelbase, the production car is likely to use a wheelbase similar to that of the existing A5, at 2810mm. The change will alter the Quattro’s proportions slightly but at the same time provide it with added interior space.
The use of the longer wheelbase means the new car is also set to grow beyond the 4280mm of the concept to somewhere around 4500mm in length, or just over 200mm less than the A5. Width and height are, however, likely to mirror the concept at 1860mm and 1330mm respectively.
In place of the 408bhp turbocharged 2.5-litre, five-cylinder engine used in the earlier concept, Audi looks set to provide the production version of the Quattro with a heavily tuned version of its twin-turbocharged 4.0-litre V8, complete with cylinder deactivation. Again, nothing is official, but Audi sources suggest power will be pumped up to more than 600bhp — 40bhp more than the recently introduced RS6 Avant, which uses the same powerplant.
The V8’s heady power reserves will be channelled through a seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox with paddle shifters and, in keeping with tradition, a Torsen torque-sensing four-wheel drive system with a sport differential offering torque vectoring to all four wheels.
Extensive use of lightweight materials will be made in non-load-bearing areas as part of Audi’s Ultra weight-saving initiative, but whether Audi can achieve the 1300kg kerb weight it claimed for the concept remains to be seen. As a point of reference, the four-wheel-drive, 328bhp supercharged 3.0-litre V6-powered S5 weighs 1745kg.
Sources suggest a 0-62mph time of less than 4.0sec and a top speed approaching 186mph, which is the sort of straight-line performance matched in the Audi line-up only by the R8 V10.