Audi is creating synthetic diesel from air, water and green energy
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Gianclaudio
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No, I don't think so. In fact I think the contrary, you're just a lackluster spot in the whole grand scheme of things.
Yes, particularly can speak for Bolivia, and the problem is we still have too many KiwiRobs around here. But thankfully, media campaign and education are changing this situation, albeit slowly.
For what is worth, I do use FSC certified woods, all my airguns are HVLP which means less waste, and I'm switching to waterborne lacquers already. And the sawdust from the production goes directly to my father's vegetables garden, to form compost.
So, better luck next time, keep trying.
Sunny
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Lol, you just sound bitter. I openly proclaimed my love for ICE powered cars in this thread. I also openly admitted in this very thread I plan on buying more of them (I also plan to get an electric car for commuting when it makes financial sense but that besides the point). I also never advised/forced anyone else to go buy an electric car or stop anyone from buying an ICE powered car. If anyone else loves ICE powered cars, they should by all means go get them too. But all that doesn't stop me from recognizing the advantage of electric cars or try and lie or spread misinformation about them like you do.
Gianclaudio
Aerodynamic Artisan
Then why you keep coming back and answering.....
Human
You. The Road. Nothing else.
Lekker nog steeds by die Wil'e Kus my maat. Bly Kalm, nou gaan ons braai.
It's a massive, massive, massive amount of industrial, financial, human, time and natural resource expenditure just to make automobiles. Just look at a comparatively tiny player like Tesla and see what has been achieved. Imagine all that effort going instead into electrical cars today - where would we be now?
I want an electric car; I want max torque at zero rpm; I want a quieter neighbourhood; I want superior packaging and weight distribution and a lower centre of gravity; I want as standard torque vectoring without having to kiss some manufacturer's arse before getting fleeced out of my hard-earned money; I want Drift Mode at the push of a button and rain mode at the push of another. I want all of this because it's better for me.
Boet, your problem is that you don't eat your vegetables! Makes you go moggy.
Jenna says "Hi" and asks if "you still live in Clarens?"
I watch way to much DSTV, "Americanizing" and for the short term energy is cheap with the low Crude price. Just once in my life I want a BIG American truck-based SUV
(Hi Jenna, I hope and trust you are well, may 2015 be the best year for you, mom and dad. Your dad told me that he is taking you guys out for a 3-course dinner at the Spur Restaurant tonight
Also, please do me a favor and tell your dad you guys are more than welcome to come and visit me in Clarens
All the best to you! Regards, Naas.)
Gianclaudio
Aerodynamic Artisan
@Human
Naas, just to add something I forgot about ethanol. During the fermenting process, the bacteria which transform sugar into alcohol also produces large quantities of CO2. So, even ignoring the mechanical force used to raise, harverst and transport the sugar cane, or maize or whatever starchy vegetable we like to use, extract the juices/starch and energy used for destilling the alcohol and then take away that 4% water portion to make it anhydrous, the fermenting process itself releases CO2, so no, it's not a green alternative as it's wanted to believe.
BTW, that CO2, trapped in the bottle its the one we enjoy on sparkling beverages like beer, cider and champagne/brut.
Naas, just to add something I forgot about ethanol. During the fermenting process, the bacteria which transform sugar into alcohol also produces large quantities of CO2. So, even ignoring the mechanical force used to raise, harverst and transport the sugar cane, or maize or whatever starchy vegetable we like to use, extract the juices/starch and energy used for destilling the alcohol and then take away that 4% water portion to make it anhydrous, the fermenting process itself releases CO2, so no, it's not a green alternative as it's wanted to believe.
BTW, that CO2, trapped in the bottle its the one we enjoy on sparkling beverages like beer, cider and champagne/brut.
Human
You. The Road. Nothing else.
@Human
Naas, just to add something I forgot about ethanol. During the fermenting process, the bacteria which transform sugar into alcohol also produces large quantities of CO2. So, even ignoring the mechanical force used to raise, harverst and transport the sugar cane, or maize or whatever starchy vegetable we like to use, extract the juices/starch and energy used for destilling the alcohol and then take away that 4% water portion to make it anhydrous, the fermenting process itself releases CO2, so no, it's not a green alternative as it's wanted to believe.
BTW, that CO2, trapped in the bottle its the one we enjoy on sparkling beverages like beer, cider and champagne/brut.
Farting bacteria huh!? J/K
Believe me I do get it, just that that generating electricity in 3rd world countries has just as many downs.The world's biggest energy consumers going forward will be China, India and Africa. And believe me the EU and US has enough financial wows to keep them occupied for decades. My question is who's going to finance the change from Coal Power Stations to cleaner ones? SA sits on vast amounts of Coal and we will use it until this country of mine is one huge hole in the ground visible from space.
BTW, predictions for Bio-fuel plants looks bleak in the short-term. It's too expensive producing Bio-fuels with the current price of Crude and frankly no one wants it now.
martinbo
Staff member
I told you dammit, eat your veggies!Farting bacteria huh!? J/K
klier
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Human
You. The Road. Nothing else.
But cows eat nothing but veggies and they produce a hell of a lot CO2
Hell, try a high-protein diet. I have and the results are farts-galore, believe me it's a recipe for passing gas
JHF
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Audi successfully produces their first batch of e-diesel
Audi unveiled their e-diesel research facility last November and the company has announced the plant has successfully produced its first batch of the eco-friendly fuel.
In honor of the event, Germany's Federal Minister of Education and Research, Prof. Dr. Johanna Wanka, put the first five liters of e-diesel into her government car which happens to be an A8 3.0 TDI.
In a statement, the Minister said “This synthetic diesel, made using CO2, is a huge success for our sustainability research." She went on to say "If we can make widespread use of CO2 as a raw material, we will make a crucial contribution to climate protection and the efficient use of resources, and put the fundamentals of the 'green economy' in place.”
As a refresher, e-diesel is produced using the "power-to-liquid principle" and only requires carbon dioxide, water and electricity as raw materials. The process is hard to explain but Audi says carbon dioxide is extracted from the air using a direct air capture method developed by Climeworks. In another part of the plant, an electrolysis unit - powered by green electricity - splits the water into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen then reacts with the carbon dioxide in a "two chemical processes conducted at 220 degrees Celsius (428 degrees Fahrenheit) and a pressure of 25 bar to produce an energetic liquid, made up of hydrocarbon compounds, which is called Blue Crude."
Source: Audi
http://www.worldcarfans.com/115042192572/audi-successfully-produces-their-first-batch-of-e-diesel
Audi unveiled their e-diesel research facility last November and the company has announced the plant has successfully produced its first batch of the eco-friendly fuel.
In honor of the event, Germany's Federal Minister of Education and Research, Prof. Dr. Johanna Wanka, put the first five liters of e-diesel into her government car which happens to be an A8 3.0 TDI.
In a statement, the Minister said “This synthetic diesel, made using CO2, is a huge success for our sustainability research." She went on to say "If we can make widespread use of CO2 as a raw material, we will make a crucial contribution to climate protection and the efficient use of resources, and put the fundamentals of the 'green economy' in place.”
As a refresher, e-diesel is produced using the "power-to-liquid principle" and only requires carbon dioxide, water and electricity as raw materials. The process is hard to explain but Audi says carbon dioxide is extracted from the air using a direct air capture method developed by Climeworks. In another part of the plant, an electrolysis unit - powered by green electricity - splits the water into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen then reacts with the carbon dioxide in a "two chemical processes conducted at 220 degrees Celsius (428 degrees Fahrenheit) and a pressure of 25 bar to produce an energetic liquid, made up of hydrocarbon compounds, which is called Blue Crude."
Source: Audi
http://www.worldcarfans.com/115042192572/audi-successfully-produces-their-first-batch-of-e-diesel
Rainer271
Kraftwagen König
Audi successfully produces their first batch of e-benzin
Audi e-benzin
Audi's synthetic fuel efforts have taken another leap forward as the company has successfully produced their first batch of “e-benzin."
Created with the assistance of Global Bioenergies, the e-benzin is produced without the use of petroleum. The fuel also lacks sulfur and benzene which means it burns "very cleanly." More importantly, it is "100-percent iso-octane and therefore has an outstanding octane rating of RON 100."
Audi will begin testing the fuel shortly but hopes to eventually modify the production process so it only requires water, hydrogen, CO2 and sunlight to create e-benzin. This would mimic their e-dieselprocess which only requires air, water and green energy.
In a statement, Audi's Head of Sustainable Product Development Reiner Mangold said “Global Bioenergies has demonstrated the viability of the Audi e-benzin production process. That is a big step in our Audi e-fuels strategy.”
Source: Audi
Audi e-benzin
Audi's synthetic fuel efforts have taken another leap forward as the company has successfully produced their first batch of “e-benzin."
Created with the assistance of Global Bioenergies, the e-benzin is produced without the use of petroleum. The fuel also lacks sulfur and benzene which means it burns "very cleanly." More importantly, it is "100-percent iso-octane and therefore has an outstanding octane rating of RON 100."
Audi will begin testing the fuel shortly but hopes to eventually modify the production process so it only requires water, hydrogen, CO2 and sunlight to create e-benzin. This would mimic their e-dieselprocess which only requires air, water and green energy.
In a statement, Audi's Head of Sustainable Product Development Reiner Mangold said “Global Bioenergies has demonstrated the viability of the Audi e-benzin production process. That is a big step in our Audi e-fuels strategy.”
Source: Audi
kingjr9000
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New method for producing the synthetic fuel Audi e-gas
Biological methanation as a new process technology
Viessmann Group enters into Audi e-gas production
End of 2016: Sales launch of the Audi A4 Avant g-tron
Audi is expanding capacities for the production of its sustainably produced e-gas. Effective immediately, the Viessmann Group is the first partner company to produce additional quantities of the synthetic fuel in a new type of biological process. The pilot plant in Allendorf in the German state of Hesse was officially opened on Monday.
Audi e-gas is generally produced in two key process steps – electrolysis and methanation. In the first step, renewably generated electricity is used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. In the second step, the hydrogen is reacted with CO2 to yield synthetic methane. In the Audi e-gas plant in Werlte in the German state of Lower Saxony, this is done using a chemical-catalytic process under high pressure and high temperature.
In the new Viessmann plant, methanation is now purely biological. Highly specialized microorganisms absorb the hydrogen that is dissolved in liquid and the carbon dioxide through their cell walls. From these molecules they then form the new molecule methane. The process is run under a moderate pressure of around five bar and at relatively low temperatures. "We are writing the next chapter of the Audi e-gas story here," said Reiner Mangold, Head of Sustainable Product Development at AUDI AG, during the opening celebration. "Audi began to produce the sustainable fuel in Werlte around two years ago. Now we are also working with a partner who immediately contributed this new process."
The pilot plant sets another technical milestone: It is the first power-to-gas plant to utilize biological methanation across Germany. Its strength lies in the fact that it processes the carbon dioxide contained in the raw biogas directly. Unlike chemical methanation, the CO2 does not need to be present in high concentration or purified form. This opens up new procurement paths. Smaller sewage treatment and biogas plants, in which no biogas purification is performed, can now come into consideration as CO2 sources.
Thanks to the new partnership, Audi will be able to supply a growing number of customers with sustainably produced e-gas in the future. Simultaneously, the brand with the four rings is also extending its line-up of models with natural gas drive. At the end of 2016, sales of the new Audi A4 Avant g-tron begin in Europe. This is the second CNG model from Audi after the Audi A3 Sportback g-tron, which has been on the market since the beginning of 2014. Customers can run both g-tron models on gasoline as well as on conventional natural gas, biomethane or the sustainably produced Audi e-gas.
The Viessmann Group started up its pilot plant in stages beginning in March 2015. Like the Audi e-gas plant in Werlte, it consumes tons of CO2 in the production of the synthetic gas. Participating at the official opening of the plant in Allendorf along with Reiner Mangold, Head of Sustainable Product Development at Audi, were the Minister-President of Hesse, Volker Bouffier, and Prof. Martin Viessmann, CEO and partner of the Viessmann Group.
Biological methanation as a new process technology
Viessmann Group enters into Audi e-gas production
End of 2016: Sales launch of the Audi A4 Avant g-tron
Audi is expanding capacities for the production of its sustainably produced e-gas. Effective immediately, the Viessmann Group is the first partner company to produce additional quantities of the synthetic fuel in a new type of biological process. The pilot plant in Allendorf in the German state of Hesse was officially opened on Monday.
Audi e-gas is generally produced in two key process steps – electrolysis and methanation. In the first step, renewably generated electricity is used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. In the second step, the hydrogen is reacted with CO2 to yield synthetic methane. In the Audi e-gas plant in Werlte in the German state of Lower Saxony, this is done using a chemical-catalytic process under high pressure and high temperature.
In the new Viessmann plant, methanation is now purely biological. Highly specialized microorganisms absorb the hydrogen that is dissolved in liquid and the carbon dioxide through their cell walls. From these molecules they then form the new molecule methane. The process is run under a moderate pressure of around five bar and at relatively low temperatures. "We are writing the next chapter of the Audi e-gas story here," said Reiner Mangold, Head of Sustainable Product Development at AUDI AG, during the opening celebration. "Audi began to produce the sustainable fuel in Werlte around two years ago. Now we are also working with a partner who immediately contributed this new process."
The pilot plant sets another technical milestone: It is the first power-to-gas plant to utilize biological methanation across Germany. Its strength lies in the fact that it processes the carbon dioxide contained in the raw biogas directly. Unlike chemical methanation, the CO2 does not need to be present in high concentration or purified form. This opens up new procurement paths. Smaller sewage treatment and biogas plants, in which no biogas purification is performed, can now come into consideration as CO2 sources.
Thanks to the new partnership, Audi will be able to supply a growing number of customers with sustainably produced e-gas in the future. Simultaneously, the brand with the four rings is also extending its line-up of models with natural gas drive. At the end of 2016, sales of the new Audi A4 Avant g-tron begin in Europe. This is the second CNG model from Audi after the Audi A3 Sportback g-tron, which has been on the market since the beginning of 2014. Customers can run both g-tron models on gasoline as well as on conventional natural gas, biomethane or the sustainably produced Audi e-gas.
The Viessmann Group started up its pilot plant in stages beginning in March 2015. Like the Audi e-gas plant in Werlte, it consumes tons of CO2 in the production of the synthetic gas. Participating at the official opening of the plant in Allendorf along with Reiner Mangold, Head of Sustainable Product Development at Audi, were the Minister-President of Hesse, Volker Bouffier, and Prof. Martin Viessmann, CEO and partner of the Viessmann Group.
kingjr9000
Das Beste Enthusiast
It already is. Its just in germany at the moment. They're trying to get it right so they can probably mass-produce it.
Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
Wicked. It would be good if they offered a conversion kit. A friend of mine converted his E39 5-Series to run on petrol and LPG(Liquefied petroleum gas)
Giannis
Staff member
Audi just needs some more time in order to calibrate their new fuel with their latest emissions cheating tech.
chonkoa
Aerodynamic Artisan
They are not economically viable.
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