Audi is creating synthetic diesel from air, water and green energy

[klier]

Wat leuk al dat Afrikaans

Somehow makes me feel right at home reading that.

@KiwiRob:

Interesting article on Greenpeace. But what I don't get is this:

It's a true slap in the face at everything Peruvians consider sacred. They are absolutely fragile. They are black rocks on a white background. You walk there and the footprint is going to last hundreds or thousands of years. And the line that they have destroyed is the most visible and most recognized of all. Peru has nothing against the message of Greenpeace. We are all concerned about climate change, But the means doesn't justify the ends.

What?!? This is not Mars or the Moon he is talking about??
Either way, it's a very stupid stunt indeed. But Greenpeace is sort of known for doing stupid stuff.

 

[martinbo]

Who in their right minds would take any notice of Greenpeace after what they did to Nazca Lines last year.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/greenpeace.asp

Who in their right minds? Who are you on about? Greenpeace is still Greenpeace regardless of how bloody stupid their activists are...

 

[kingjr9000]

Hey martinbo, what's your opinion on the tesla giga factory, provided he can build it? Do you think it will be able to bring down batteries costs and their weight for more manufacturers to consider building hybrids?

 

[martinbo]

Hey martinbo, what's your opinion on the tesla giga factory, provided he can build it? Do you think it will be able to bring down batteries costs and their weight for more manufacturers to consider building hybrids?

Sorry, I can't offer an opinion because I don't know anything about it. Battery design and manufacture isn't something I know anything worthwhile about. Inefficient thrashy, whirly, spinny stuff - well, I know a fair bit more about that!

I guess I'm off to do some reading about Tesla...

Over to you @Sunny.

 

[Sunny]

I just really want the internal combustion engine to survive in a responsible manner. So every new try at it is more than welcome, I say!

You are not alone Naas. I enjoy dino juice burning machines as much as anyone else here . But the way to enjoy them responsibly is to let all the billions of people who don't care about it, use alternative cleaner modes of transportation and yourself too when you just need to get from point A to point B.

We are definitely not going to enjoy them much longer by trying to tear down these cleaner alternatives to ICE with irrational fears and illogical arguments. Some do it out of just fear of change - I get that, I myself was there not too long ago. Some (actually a whole industry) unfortunately do it just out of malfeasant greedy agenda.

Hey martinbo, what's your opinion on the tesla giga factory, provided he can build it? Do you think it will be able to bring down batteries costs and their weight for more manufacturers to consider building hybrids?

Over to you @Sunny.

I wish I knew... I am not in Musk's inner or outer circle so I have no clue. But I am sure the price of batteries will obviously go down if the factory is successful.

The misgiving I have about the giga factory or even Tesla is the hype tying down the future of electrical cars too much to one factory or one company or even one type of battery.

I sincerely believe the future of personal transportation is electrical cars, giga factory or no giga factory, Tesla or no Tesla. The efficiency of electrical motors compared to other means of converting stored energy to kinetic energy is just too vast to ignore.

The other questions - How is the electricity stored? Where does the electricity come from? How is it distributed? They are really peripheral (but important) to the core issue of what creates the forward motion.

 

[KiwiRob]

Back to the topic about this fantastic Audi plant. It makes 42 gallons a day. Yea all of 42 gallons in a whole day, i.e, 2.5 family sedans a day. Yea, that should stop global warming dead in it's tracks!

On serious note, this sounds like one of the shitty projects that oil industry sponsors so that it can take an ad saying how it is spending billions on renewable energy.

In a prototype facility, you'd be an idiot to think this is the final output. I think this is a project the oil industry wouldn't like at all since it cuts them out.

 

[KiwiRob]

What?!? This is not Mars or the Moon he is talking about??
Either way, it's a very stupid stunt indeed. But Greenpeace is sort of known for doing stupid stuff.

From wikipedia.

Due to the dry, windless, and stable climate of the plateau and its isolation, for the most part, the lines have been preserved.

 

[Sunny]

In a prototype facility, you'd be an idiot to think this is the final output. I think this is a project the oil industry wouldn't like at all since it cuts them out.

Ah, so this is a prototype that needs to be be given time and money to develop, but yet electrical cars don't deserve the same though it is much more advanced state?

And to your second point, except oil industry knows it is silly PR stunt and not going to go anywhere.

Again, you have to be the biggest idiot or the biggest douche bag to actually vouch that spending electricity to make crude oil out of air and water and then purifying it and burning it again is the solution to global warming. People really fall for this snake oil?

 

[Sunny]

If anyone wants to know how fcuked up and twisted the oil industry is watch the 7th episode of the TV series Cosmos - "The Clean Room".

The series is about space and the Universe, but this particular episode also talks about how the oil industry spend millions creating alternative fake research and papers trying to debunk Clair Patterson's (the brilliant scientist who first figured out accurately how old the Earth was and hence the relation to Cosmos - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clair_Cameron_Patterson) research into how bad leaded gasoline was to our health. The ass holes tried their best to first buy him and then discredit him and then spend millions if not billions for decades resisting legislation that would have banned poisonous leaded gasoline.

Cosmos is on Netflix and I highly recommend to everyone - especially kids.

 

[KiwiRob]

Ah, so this is a prototype that needs to be be given time and money to develop, but yet electrical cars don't deserve the same though it is much more advanced state?

And to your second point, except oil industry knows it is silly PR stunt and not going to go anywhere.

Again, you have to be the biggest idiot or the biggest douche bag to actually vouch that spending electricity to make crude oil out of air and water and then purifying it and burning it again is the solution to global warming. People really fall for this snake oil?

Yip give it a go, why not. Electric vehicles have been around since the start of the motor industry, they've had plenty of time to develop.

Who knows where it will go, not you not me, it all depends on what VW want to do with it.

People use electricity to make all sorts of crap, so why not use it to make fuel from air and water, if the electricity comes from a renewable source it's carbon neutral and therefore good for the environment. As for global warming, cars cause very little compared to all other sources, aviation, shipping, cows farting, volcanoes, so no biggie.

 

[klier]

If anyone wants to know how fcuked up and twisted the oil industry is watch the 7th episode of the TV series Cosmos - "The Clean Room".

The series is about space and the Universe, but this particular episode also talks about how the oil industry spend millions creating alternative fake research and papers trying to debunk Clair Patterson's (the brilliant scientist who first figured out accurately how old the Earth was and hence the relation to Cosmos - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clair_Cameron_Patterson) research into how bad leaded gasoline was to our health. The ass holes tried their best to first buy him and then discredit him and then spend millions if not billions for decades resisting legislation that would have banned poisonous leaded gasoline.

Cosmos is on Netflix and I highly recommend to everyone - especially kids.

Yes fantastic series and that particular episode is brilliant.

And what do you think of the fuel cell and hydrogen engines in relation to electric power?
We here in Holland have electric stations in pretty much every street now, and that number will only grow. I see lots and lots of Teslas everywhere. Musk must by delighted with the Dutch.

 

[Rolf]

Lekker nog steeds by die Wil'e Kus my maat. Bly Kalm, nou gaan ons braai.

Julle mak my honger wen jy praat dat jy gaan braai!! Is die braai electriese/battery of die oue "Anti Green Peace" Charcoal braai?

 

[Sunny]

Yes fantastic series and that particular episode is brilliant.

If you liked that, also watch "The Inexplicable Universe", if you haven't already - https://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/70304283?trkid=200250783. Smaller series, but awesome, and little less dumbed down.

And what do you think of the fuel cell and hydrogen engines in relation to electric power?

Fuel cells, I have a favorable but skeptical view about them. On the favorable side, it uses efficient electric motors for converting stored energy to kinetic energy instead of inefficient ICEs. And IMO, that is massive step in the right direction. Like I said, almost every thing else including how you store the energy - be it a battery or a fuel cell - is sort of peripheral to that.

But on other hand, I am skeptical about fuel cells catching on, because unlike electricity there is no existing infrastructure to distribute H2 and to develop it is no trivial undertaking.

And as for hydrogen engines, if you mean ICE that burn H2 as in what BMW tried with the hydrogen 7 or H2R. IMHO, no, it has no future.

I love the ICE and I plan to collect as many as realistically possible in my lifetime as my financial situation allows. But the fact is it is a Rube Goldberg contraption. If an alien landed on our planet million year from now, they would as much believe we used this as our primary means of transportation.

as they would believe we used this contraption to wipe our ass -

As for global warming, cars cause very little compared to all other sources, aviation, shipping, cows farting, volcanoes, so no biggie.

Wrong again as usual. According to EPA, the transportation industry is responsible for 28% of green house emissions in US, And the share of cars and trucks is about 70% of that. These are easily googlable numbers, so I don't know why you keep pushing lies besides to mislead people.

 

[KiwiRob]

Wrong again as usual. According to EPA, the transportation industry is responsible for 28% of green house emissions in US, And the share of cars and trucks is about 70% of that. These are easily googlable numbers, so I don't know why you keep pushing lies besides to mislead people.

No I'm not. The EPA state

Transportation

(28% of 2012 greenhouse gas emissions) - Greenhouse gas emissions from transportation primarily come from burning fossil fuel for our cars, trucks, ships, trains, and planes. Over 90% of the fuel used for transportation is petroleum based, which includes gasoline and diesel.

Where is this statement is your 70% coming from cars and trucks?

If you take industry and electricity production which both burn fossil fuels there's 52% of your emissions, far more than cars and trucks.

If you go global and forget about the US, industry and electricity production are still the worst offender.

BTW I really don't care either, in 40-50 years time I'll be dead, 80 years time my kids will be dead, whoever is left on this rock I won't know.

 

[Sunny]

No I'm not. The EPA state
Where is this statement is your 70% coming from cars and trucks?

70% of the 28% what the transport industry is responsible for. If you can't find that, learn to google and maybe even actually reading some papers and going beyond the headlines.

BTW I really don't care either, in 40-50 years time I'll be dead, 80 years time my kids will be dead, whoever is left on this rock I won't know.

Spoken like a true selfish prick again! I don't even have kids nor do I plan on. I will also be dead in 40-50 years. I still care for this planet though. I guess I just have to resign myself to sharing it with few dicks for my remaining years.

 

[KiwiRob]

I think you'll find when pushed the majority of people share my opinion, or have no opinion about it at all, most people only pay lip-service to environmental issues. I have no problem being a selfish prick, I'll be long dead before the earth goes pop so I don't care, besides the planet has done a pretty good job sorting itself out over its life time, when mankind's time is up, it's up, there is piss all we can do about it.

I looked on the EPA website, it doesn't split it down to which kind of transport makes up the 28%, if you're going quote something provide a source.

 

[Sunny]

^How do you know? Did you "push the majority of people" to know they share the your dick-shness or is it an attribute of being a dick, you just see dicks everywhere?

And no I don't have to provide jack to you. But out of curiosity, are you seriously this incapable or just lazy?

 

[Gianclaudio]

I have no problem being a selfish prick, I'll be long dead before the earth goes pop so I don't care

The worst thing is to realize people like you are consuming the resources for other persons who cares about their relatives, friends and neighbours, and actually think about future. People like you shouldn't be permitted to live in societies, on which the first and foremost value is the respect for others.

 

[Sunny]

ps. For anyone else who is actually interested in facts and not parroting lies and bullshit, here is the link to the paper which says according to EPA cars and trucks is responsible for 20% of all CO2 emissions -http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/10-06-ClimateChange_Brief.pdf

...according to the Environmental Protection
Agency (EPA), about 20 percent of total U.S. emissions
of CO2 are from passenger vehicles (cars and light trucks).

 

[KiwiRob]

You've both got me confused with someone who gives a grap about your opinions.

Nice US emissions, since when are those worldwide emissions? What relevance is purely US statistics to a world wide issue?

What a mediocre, retrograde, involutionary selfish loser.
The worst thing is to realize people like you are consuming the resources for other persons who cares about their relatives, friends and neighbours, and actually think about future. People like you shouldn't be permitted to live in societies, on which the first and foremost value is the respect for others.

Oh boohoo cry me a river, I think you'll find I'm in the majority, I'm not afraid to say what I think, whereas most people won't say anything or even have an opinion.

But I suspect that purely from where I live I'm living a far greener life than either of you and have a far smaller environmental impact. Bolivia and the US are hardly worthy examples when it comes to green living. Of course Gianclaudio might be living in a shack in a rain forest building his guitars, but I doubt it.

Sunny on the otherhand is a hypocrite, giving me stick when he drives around in the cars he drives around in, you talk a good game but fail in implementing it in your own life, it you did you'd be in a Tesla or Prius.