Valhalla Aston Martin Valhalla (a.k.a. Project 003)

[Jo_Sta7]

The new Red Bull car is very interesting. But hypercars are like candy nowadays there's so many and so many variants I'm beginning to switch off to them to be honest, LOL!

And I Love them usually.

I agree. Too many too frequently. The niche manufacturers are starting to do nothing for me as well. Still love Ferrari, McLaren, Lambo, etc.

Aston, for me, 2008-2017 are (pre db11) are amazing. I’ve always wanted one.

 

[Rolf]

There is a truly massive number of niche supercars that have come out on the market recently from all over the world. It is truly mind blowing the choice available for rich buyers. Some brands that have real heritage such as Pininfarina, Brabham, De Tomaso etc. have brought out their own cars and then some making a comeback like De Lorean and SSC and De Tomaso etc are exciting.

 

[KiwiRob]

There is a truly massive number of niche supercars that have come out on the market recently from all over the world. It is truly mind blowing the choice available for rich buyers. Some brands that have real heritage such as Pininfarina, Brabham, De Tomaso etc. have brought out their own cars and then some making a comeback like De Lorean and SSC and De Tomaso etc are exciting.

What heritage do Pininfarina and Brabham have? Pininfarina styled car for other people but never built anything under its own name and Brabham built F1 cars, neither have any heritage for road vehicles.

 

[KiwiRob]

The new Red Bull car is very interesting. But hypercars are like candy nowadays there's so many and so many variants I'm beginning to switch off to them to be honest, LOL!

And I Love them usually.

Out of all the hypercars that are on sale today the only one I would trust to be properly developed and will just work without fault every time I get into it is the Bugatti, all the rest are built with relativity shoestring budgets by companies you wonder how they can make something that's actually fit for purpose.

 

[Rolf]

What heritage do Pininfarina and Brabham have? Pininfarina styled car for other people but never built anything under its own name and Brabham built F1 cars, neither have any heritage for road vehicles.

They both have heritage through car design and motorsports, but you are right they both didn't bring out their own road cars before and this is the first time they doing this.

 

[Tourbillon]

Out of all the hypercars that are on sale today the only one I would trust to be properly developed and will just work without fault every time I get into it is the Bugatti, all the rest are built with relativity shoestring budgets by companies you wonder how they can make something that's actually fit for purpose.

Type Approval.

 

[Tourbillon]

They both have heritage through car design and motorsports, but you are right they both didn't bring out their own road cars before and this is the first time they doing this.

The Lotus Evija is an electric production hypercar. They have zero experience or expertise in the manufacturing processes for serial production for either for themselves.

We'll see how much that previous "heritage" is worth.

And Pininfarina did manufacture production cars for others in their own factories, I'm sure. I'll triple check and if they were involved in design too then I mean how much more can you ask? Anyway they are registered as a manufacturer with paperwork.

But one of my new years resolutions is to give these type conversations a wide berth as ultimately the market dictates who or what is successful. Not keyboards.

Long may niche projects live. Wolfgang Durhiemer ex boss of Bugatti and Bentley complimented John Hennessey on a few occasions for pushing them. He was an engineer too, and is one of the few CEO's I very truly respect and he knew what he was talking about.

 

[Tourbillon]

I agree. Too many too frequently. The niche manufacturers are starting to do nothing for me as well. Still love Ferrari, McLaren, Lambo, etc.

Aston, for me, 2008-2017 are (pre db11) are amazing. I’ve always wanted one.

The Laferrari would be very high on my list. The New Lamborghini Aventador replacement too. N/A hybrids.

The Aston Martin Valkyrie well I've to research it properly yet.

 

[Centurion]

Out of all the hypercars that are on sale today the only one I would trust to be properly developed and will just work without fault every time I get into it is the Bugatti, all the rest are built with relativity shoestring budgets by companies you wonder how they can make something that's actually fit for purpose.

Just like premium sneakers, hypercars have lost their way. They are now $1.2-4m dollar purchases with options and decorative carbon fibre with a combined value of a 992 GT3. This nonsense didn’t exist when the CGT and Enzo debuted.

 

[Tourbillon]

Just like premium sneakers, hypercars have lost their way. They are now $1.2-4m dollar purchases with options and decorative carbon fibre with a combined value of a 992 GT3. This nonsense didn’t exist when the CGT and Enzo debuted.

Exactly. The introduction of hypercars say like the Ferrari "F" class was once a decade. Rarely any variants. It's shocking.

Gordon Murray Automotive are an example cited as they've delivered absolutely zero cars and launched a variant the T50/T50S and then launched the T33!

I'm expecting the track only "GT33" to launched imminently.

And the ONE car I wanted to see out, the 2019 baby Aston Martin Vanquish supercar? 2025 last I heard. Oh well.

 

[Jo_Sta7]

Interestingly, hybrid design is absolutely the most complicated way to create a car. But the step beyond, pure electrification, is the easiest. Provided one doesn’t care about weight. It’s purely academic to create an electric power train with 2000 hp. Just give it enough juice. The motors are full proof. Gear box irrelevant. That’s why we’re seen so many. 4000+ pound straight line monsters with an extreme performance yet can’t be delineated from each other. At least the Battista is beautiful. I wouldn’t buy one though. Not when a Sapphire or plaid are available with all the practicality of a sedan and much more performance than could eve Be relevant.

It’s like an Apple Watch vs a patek. Sure the apple watch is objectively better in every way, but we all know what one we lust after and why. Even if the Apple Watch is made of gold or platinum and costs the same as the Patek. We want detail, intricacy, moving parts touched by hand. There is a soul there. When lifting up the hood to look on a great combustion engine to admire it we feel the same as looking at the case back on a grand complication. Electric HyperCars will never have soul.

 

[A.P.]

Beautiful car. I love it, in theory. In practice I’d never touch it. The Valkyrie issues have been crazy. Have to assume this will have similar issues. The company is in shambles. I wouldn’t want them to have $200k of my money….

I think this one will be pretty reliable considering AMG has a hand in it. Engine and very likely drivetrain is AMG.

 

[Tourbillon]

I think this one will be pretty reliable considering AMG has a hand in it. Engine and very likely drivetrain is AMG.

Yes it is. It uses the AMG Black Series V8 but I believe a unique dual clutch transmission to suit it's mid engined production cycling.

I think she'll surprise people.

 

[Jo_Sta7]

I think this one will be pretty reliable considering AMG has a hand in it. Engine and very likely drivetrain is AMG.

The valkyrie has been a complete mess as far as reliability. It's not the combustion engine. It's the intregration of the electric motors with the engine and gearbox. It's quite complicated.

 

[Tourbillon]

Interestingly, hybrid design is absolutely the most complicated way to create a car. But the step beyond, pure electrification, is the easiest. Provided one doesn’t care about weight. It’s purely academic to create an electric power train with 2000 hp. Just give it enough juice. The motors are full proof. Gear box irrelevant. That’s why we’re seen so many. 4000+ pound straight line monsters with an extreme performance yet can’t be delineated from each other. At least the Battista is beautiful. I wouldn’t buy one though. Not when a Sapphire or plaid are available with all the practicality of a sedan and much more performance than could eve Be relevant.

It’s like an Apple Watch vs a patek. Sure the apple watch is objectively better in every way, but we all know what one we lust after and why. Even if the Apple Watch is made of gold or platinum and costs the same as the Patek. We want detail, intricacy, moving parts touched by hand. There is a soul there. When lifting up the hood to look on a great combustion engine to admire it we feel the same as looking at the case back on a grand complication. Electric HyperCars will never have soul.

The Lucid Air Sapphire if I could afford it, would be my everyday everything car. Superbly engineered.

 

[Jo_Sta7]

The Lucid Air Sapphire if I could afford it, would be my everyday everything car. Superbly engineered.

It has my attention for sure. But I don’t like the idea of my sedan/daily being that quick. Would desensitize the fun of driving quick.

 

[Tourbillon]

It has my attention for sure. But I don’t like the idea of my sedan/daily being that quick. Would desensitize the fun of driving quick.

It's quick around a track too. It's going to be interesting to see what she can do particularly at European tracks.

Already buried Bugatti to 160MPH, and I take absolutely no pleasure in saying that.

High speeds to be decided. Well, to 205MPH.

 

[Tourbillon]

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[Tourbillon]

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One of my favorite forthcoming production hypercars. Anything with a AMG Black Series engine definitely gets a vote!