Appearance; A5 or 335i

[RICHBOY]

This conversation is going a bit OT. Maybe another thread?

Anyway...
Look, Richboy, I don't know how these two cars could be any more different and still maintain the needed BMW family look. I would have no problem at all if your claim was a generally accepted view but you're the first one I've ever heard saying that E92 and 6er look very similar. I've seen a hundreds of pics and both cars dozens of times and still I can't see any more similarity than between 5er and 7er for example. You also make it sound like BMW had a problem with models looking too much like each other when it's actually almost on the contrary. The so called pre-Bangle BMWs had a very few differences design but every model on the current line up has it's own unique look (with some BMW trademark details such as angel eyes, Hoffmeister kink, shark fin antenna etc.) Out of the 3 Germans Audi is the one who might suffer from the "same sausage, different lengths" -philosophy.

Sure, sure! By the way I love your Avatar!

 

[PanterroR]

No problem, it's obvious you have on your Bimmer shades to block out any talk your not trying to hear so it doesn't matter how similiar they are you'll never admit it to yourself.

On thing to be cleared once for all and remember it: I'm not a fanboy, nor i ever was and i'll never be! I admit to myself and to others everything that makes sense, that is fact, obvious and true!

Your claim that 3er is mini 6er doesn't make sense, it's not fact, it's not obvious and it's not true!

If you think i'm wrong and you 100% right, feel free to create a poll asking question: Do you think that 3er is a mini 6er? I'm eager to see how wrong you or i am by the result of that eventual poll.

End of the story and now please discuss about 335i and A5.

 

[RICHBOY]

On thing to be cleared once for all and remember it: I'm not a fanboy, nor i ever was and i'll never be! I admit to myself and to others everything that makes sense, that is fact, obvious and true!

Your claim that 3er is mini 6er doesn't make sense, it's not fact, it's not obvious and it's not true!

If you think i'm wrong and you 100% right, feel free to create a poll asking question: Do you think that 3er is a mini 6er? I'm eager to see how wrong you or i am by the result of that eventual poll.

End of the story and now please discuss about 335i and A5.

Wow, I guess your right then, as you said "I admit to myself and to others everything that makes sense, that is fact, obvious and true!"

The End!

 

[bmer]

Listen, I don't think it's very wise to label everybody that doesn't agree with you as fanboys. Especially when you're such a fresh face here and can't know us others very well. Also we're yet to see someone who agrees with you on this matter...

Back to topic:

I still hold the final judgement to the day I see A5 IRL. But if I had to choose by the pics I'd take the 3er Coupe. I prefer its sharp and sporty lines over the sweeping and softer lines of the A5.

 

[Bruce]

No problem, it's obvious you have on your Bimmer shades to block out any talk your not trying to hear so it doesn't matter how similiar they are you'll never admit it to yourself. In regards to the question you asked me, Mercedes has the most differences in their exterior design!

No, Tycoon's only problem is that he disagrees with you. But then again, that isn't a problem because everyone has a different opinion. He doesn't happen to agree with you, but that does not make him a fanboy of any sort.

Myself (who am not a BMW fan), do not see a huge resemblance, between the 3er and the 6er. I see a general family resemblance (as with most brands), but not quite what you see.

 

[RICHBOY]

Listen, I don't think it's very wise to label everybody that doesn't agree with you as fanboys. Especially when you're such a fresh face here and can't know us others very well. Also we're yet to see someone who agrees with you on this matter...

Back to topic:

I still hold the final judgement to the day I see A5 IRL. But if I had to choose by the pics I'd take the 3er Coupe. I prefer its sharp and sporty lines over the sweeping and softer lines of the A5.

"Also we're yet to see someone who agrees with you on this matter..."

Sorry Bmer guy, my position is my position! If I was you I'd be running around looking for co-signers and other people who subscribed to the same beliefs as me. That's not me! I say what I believe regardless how hostlile you or anyone else feels about it. The 3 Series has a series cult like following, which you probably join in on. That's not a problem! It has deep routed heritage which Audi can't match, know problem here. But self admittedly a large amount of all the the M3 and 3 Series gets has nothing to do with the here and now! You believe the 3 Series is totally abstact, and I couldn't disagree with you more! Your not going to see other wise, and I feel the way I feel that's that! O yeah, I hope you don't think you got some mileage with that remark about me standing alone? I handle my business by myself, no team huddle needed!!

 

[RikfromBelgium]

good lord richboy, are you biased or what. In the past MB was the most monotone brand in the business. Yes they have diversified over the last few years, and for now the king of "sausages with different lengths " is Audi. But that doesn't mean MB doesn't come a solid second. Only problem is that all their new cars of the last years have been from very different segments. B, ML, S, SLK. But when you look at the C-class and the S-class, or compare the S with the Maybach the similarities are huge. Or lets take the ML and GL.

Be honest, simularities are obvious, and nothing is wrong with that when it's not taken to extremes like Audi does. But don't come here almost stating like a fact BMW is the most monotone brand. In fact, if there is ONE brand that has the most diversified modelrange in the sector, it would just be BMW.

 

[RICHBOY]

good lord richboy, are you biased or what. In the past MB was the most monotone brand in the business. Yes they have diversified over the last few years, and for now the king of "sausages with different lengths " is Audi. But that doesn't mean MB doesn't come a solid second. Only problem is that all their new cars of the last years have been from very different segments. B, ML, S, SLK. But when you look at the C-class and the S-class, or compare the S with the Maybach the similarities are huge. Or lets take the ML and GL.

Be honest, simularities are obvious, and nothing is wrong with that when it's not taken to extremes like Audi does. But don't come here almost stating like a fact BMW is the most monotone brand. In fact, if there is ONE brand that has the most diversified modelrange in the sector, it would just be BMW.

I'm not gonna dive into what you saying to much, but once again someone is talking about the past! We're not in the past dude! I could careless about Mercedes model line any further back than yesterday!

 

[south]

The 3 Series has a series cult like following, which you probably join in on. That's not a problem! It has deep routed heritage which Audi can't match, know problem here. But self admittedly a large amount of all the the M3 and 3 Series gets has nothing to do with the here and now! You believe the 3 Series is totally abstact, and I couldn't disagree with you more! Your not going to see other wise, and I feel the way I feel that's that! O yeah, I hope you don't think you got some mileage with that remark about me standing alone? I handle my business by myself, no team huddle needed!!

First of all you're talking about the design of the here and the now. Let's talk 'bout that:

Now tell me which of these BMW models are more similar, which less.
The most resemblence I see is between the E92 and the E60 sedan. Similar front end design.

And there's a bit of resemblence between 6series and E90 sedan. Based on that pictures no one can really say the E92 look like a "mini 6 series." The E92 rather looks like the 6 series should have been designed...

Furthermore regarding you're 3series bashing: A good history is the best base for a succesful future. But that's not all. The 3 series is in a constant process of evolvement. BMW does a good job on that (maybe that's the problem for some). No problem if you don't like it but stay plausible...

Best regards, south

 

[NarutoRamen]

Sorry for canceling the Bimmer love feast, but it is what it is! The front in is a mini version of the 6 Series, Move the fog lights in, add some extra chrome to the kidney shaped grill and what do ya know! It's funny how BMW seems to get a pass on these form when it comes to design. Not from me, you you'll want to be critical about Mercedes and Audi design you should be able to except critism as well. People rather send private messages telling me that they agree, but refuse to put it in the air for fear of all the BMW fans! All ya'll have to do is post a pic of the 3 Series and 6 Series together and explain why I'm wrong! Ya'll rather sit back and make BS comments because you know your amongst friends!

P.S 1 vs 30 I like those odds!!

My friend, out of most of the people here I'm the last one to back out or not state my opinion just because I might be out numbered. If you think that the 3er and 6er are almost the same then the whole AUDI line-up is exactly the same. As much as I don't want to sound like a jerk and offend you, you don't know the first thing about design. I don't know how you keep saying that the cars are the same...even the BMW trademarked kidney grills aren't even the same so how is the rest of the front fascia the same? Just look at the pictures above very carefully and take off your AUDI biased glasses before you look. I'm not sitting here and making BS comments about anything just because I'm amongst friends. You're the one sitting there and making bs comments about something you have no idea about. And don't even bother telling me about design...I went to art school for Automotive Design, so I definitely know what I'm talking about. I don't know what makes you think that I'm BMW biased. You should go look in the "enemy" thread and read what I wrote about brands. I'm a fan of BMW and MB. The reason why I have the BMW M POWER in my sig is because I've had that since I used to have my M3.

About the cult like following for the 3 series. Well that car deserves the following it has. After decades that car is still the best in it's class, something no other company has done. Once AUDI can lead in the same segment with the same car for over a decade than you have the right to say something, until then 3er is king. The 3er has nothing to prove the A5 has a lot of catching up to do.

 

[Matt]

Damn, it's even more similar than I thought! You didn't even show the same angle and the similarities are uncany. I really wish you would of posted small pics but I'm a give it a go any way. You know what, I'm gonna put down the differencies in order to save some time and energy ok?

1) Slightly different headlight shape
2) Slightly different fog light position
3) The Kidney grill in the 6 has more chrome at the top
4) I was going to say the hood, but I'm not sure! The pic of the 6 series you posted is showing to much side, good try though! trying to devert attention from the front end to the side! If I was wrong I'd try something like that myself!

5) last but not least the 6 Series is a little bit more bulky.

P.S In the future please post pics from the same angle or don't post them, you were obviously trying to show the side and not the front of the 6 Series!

There is not one panel on these two cars that are the same. In fact i see absolutely no resemblence other than traditional BMW design elements-kidney grills and angel eyes-but every other part in the front is different in one way or another. There is absolutely no resemblence.

 

[PanterroR]

Listen, I don't think it's very wise to label everybody that doesn't agree with you as fanboys. Especially when you're such a fresh face here and can't know us others very well.

Fresh or not, there needs to be "something" about "someone" to call that person fanboy. RICHBOY didn't say Tycoon is a fanboy, no, but out of his words, one can conclude so. Correct me if i'm wrong, RICHBOY or anyone else... Be my guest. That "something" i don't have! And i repeat, i was never a fanboy! N E V E R ! You guys (old fellow members) say if it isn't so! You know me for a quite while, you be the judge!


Ok, enough about me...

Anyhow, he (RICHBOY) still didn't justify his claim that 3er is a mini 6er and i'm not expecting him to do so, 'cause he can't! Why? 'Cause it doesn't make sense, it's not fact, it's not obvious and it's not true!

Maybe he or anyone say: why did i stuck with that mini 6er stuff? Well, one can say that once or twice accidentally, and later to change his mind... But to repeat it several times in your posts, the same thing, and give me these reasons:

1) Slightly different headlight shape
2) Slightly different fog light position
3) The Kidney grill in the 6 has more chrome at the top
4) I was going to say the hood, but I'm not sure!

...to back up his mini 6er claim? No! Excuse me, but i'm not buying it! That's why all this "yelling" comes from me.

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RICHBOY, i have absolutely nothing against you, don't get me wrong. Just like any other real car enthusiast you're welcome here on this site and i'm personally thankful for your contribution. In fact, i like to have some "serious" (not problematic nature of course) discussions with people on this board, so, let's close this matter with this fanboy stuff here now and for the future, ok?

 

[Sunny]

Haha, was looking at this thread, and it more looks like a certain fan boy creates this poll, doesn't like the result and now goes around dissing every one with a different point of view from his own to be fan boys.

Seriously Richboy, don't create a poll, if you can't stomach the possibility of the result being not what you want. And before accusing others of having "shades on" consider the minute possibility that you might be the one with one on.

A lot of us do like Audi's and probably more will, if not for childish antics like yours. Despite being a BMW fan, I am not blinded by it, there are lot of Audi's I'd pick over BMWs (R8 over M6 or S8 over a 7er being examples) - but not in this case - imo - 3er design is the more attractive one. Notice the "imo"? It stands for "in my opinion", and pointless off topic uneducated diatribes like the 3er looks like the 6er is most likely not going to change it.

 

[PanterroR]

Sunny, thanks for your post, but this one goes to you and everyone else:

I don't want any useless argue to occur in this thread and i don't want it to be ruined with many irrelevant posts in 10 pages!

What has been said, it's said! Me and RICHBOY, if needed, will continue this matter through PM and this thread will continue to live as it's supposed to: cool and nice discussions about two "jewels" from Germany! Nothing else!

Or it can be closed i 3 seconds that i need to do that, you choose.

Thanks!

 

[Tumbo]

Now after a week of looking at the car, I have made up my mind:

It kills the 335i in terms of looks!!!



The front could have been less corny, especially the lights. But it's still a beauty! The 3er looks 4-5 years older then the A5, standing next to it.

 

[Zafiro]

The 3er looks 4-5 years older then the A5, standing next to it.

but still more sleeker and elegant than the A5 IMHO.

 

[Centurion]

The 3er looks 4-5 years older then the A5, standing next to it.

I don't think so. I think it is the other way around. It is the A5 which has a front end design which is almost 3 years old.
BTW this doesn't look like 4-5 years old to me

 

[RikfromBelgium]

no it doesn't. Met one on the highway today. Drove behind, in front and next to it dropdead gorgeous, was a 335D

 

[Tumbo]

BTW this doesn't look like 4-5 years old to me

Maybe not the front. But the rear, screems 2002 or something.

 

[Zafiro]

Maybe not the front. But the rear, screems 2002 or something.

this entertaining to read. Luwalira think A5 front end looks old and you think E92 rear looks old. Funny arguments