All kind of sales Audi / BMW / Mercedes

[kiki voinea]

It’s a pity it gets so little attention. To me the S looks best of the whole line-up. Model 3 and Y look a bit blobby. But I hear what you are saying. Nevertheless, I’d buy a Model S if I had to choose.

I agree with you.That is why my daily is S. And I did added a Prior Design package , so it looks pretty cool. Best looking EV after Taycan , for me...

I think Tesla is missing the train . As MB and BMW still can't get an proper EV on the market , this segment could have potential.

By the way , to see how Tesla does not give a s**t about S and X , I made the order almost 3 years ago for a 3 and X Plaid. 3 arrived like a little over 1 year later. But the X was ready for delivery this year , in April...For me it was too late , even if it was a "refresh". And I guess there were a few like me. Now there is inventory , but nobody gives a crap about it...( also the price fiasco )

 

[Soup]

 

[tristatez28lt1]

The Best-Selling Car in the World is the Tesla Model Y. Let That Sink In.

There is a lof of mixed news and opinions about the state of the EV market. In a given week, the media will tell you that EV sales are both ballooning and crashing.

But the devil's in the data, and the data says that the 2023 Model Y is the best-selling car in the world (and its not even close), having outsold its closest car competitor, the Toyota Camry, by nearly 70,000 units (in America).

Globally, the Model Y has sold around 430,000 units so far this year - and 285,500 have come from its home market. That is an astonishing figure for a premium-priced EV from a brand with less than 15 years of really being "on the map".

Consider that in 2022, the Model Y sold 225,799 units in the USA. Seeing 285,000 with another two and a half months to go is not only impressive, but looks like it will exceed 2022's 39% sales growth over 2021.

Certainly, this is an impressive quarter for Tesla, but this is devastating news for everyone else trying to make it in the EV segment.

 

[Sunny]

Globally, the Model Y has sold around 430,000 units so far this year

That is not accurate. And if it is, it would not make Model Y the top selling vehicle in the world. Far from it.

The real figure is probably closer to 900k. It was already at 772k end of Aug.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

That is not accurate. And if it is, it would not make Model Y the top selling vehicle in the world. Far from it.

The real figure is probably closer to 900k. It was already at 772k end of Aug.

Agreed. The report is from good car bad car and they must have mixed up some numbers. They're not the most accurate anyway.

 

[klier]

I wonder how much time the 1er has left with the gigantic success of the X1. It's completely taking over the compact SUV class and can already be considered a wild sales monster.

1er can be lucky if it makes the (German) top 50 whereas X1 is always somewhere in the top sales.

That is not accurate. And if it is, it would not make Model Y the top selling vehicle in the world. Far from it.

The real figure is probably closer to 900k. It was already at 772k end of Aug.

Model Y is definitely the Tesla I'd want. I think it looks gorgeous. Far better than the Model 3.

 

[dalab]

1er can be lucky if it makes the (German) top 50

*Europe - Its sales are not bad if we compare them with its main rival, it even beats it, I don't know about Germany

 

[leylandi]

 

[dalab]

The Best-Selling Car in the World is the Tesla Model Y. Let That Sink In.

The Tesla model Y, must be the car with the greatest difference between seeing it in a photo and IRL since I can remember, from a totally anti-photogenic amorphous "thing" whose success would be very difficult to understand, it happens to make all the sense in the world when you see it in person, I'm talking about an exceptionally wide margin, not the small one of whether it's "cute or ugly."

 

[dalab]

Despite Mercedes' zeal for EVs, models are slow to sell
Mercedes dealers took an average of 82 days to sell the brand's battery-powered EQ models in September — more than double that of BMW's 38-day turn.

Mercedes-Benz's aspirations to become a global electric vehicle brand show early signs of stalling in the automaker's largest EV market as retailers struggle to dent their swelling inventories.

https://www.autonews.com/sales/mercedes-benz-ev-push-proving-hard-execute-us-china

 

[leylandi]

China September

S class 1955
7 series 1246

https://m.dongchedi.com/article/7290579017798156819

 

[dalab]

Mercedes EQS Is Missing The Mark According To Dealers And Sales Data

Typically, luxury brands have their buyers lining up to get the latest and greatest but evidently, the EQS isn’t desirable enough. “Our cars need to be ‘want’ cars,” he said. “The S-Class has maintained good loyalty because it’s aspirational. An EQS is not something that most people aspire to own.”

Mercedes EQS Is Missing The Mark According To Dealers And Sales Data | Carscoops

EQ vehicles in general are taking considerably longer to sell through compared to their rivals

www.carscoops.com

 

[Serpens]

The real issue with flat out sales is the part you didn't quote:

“There is too much of a price premium — especially at the top end of the EQ lineup — and almost no [lease] support.”

BMW was smart with the i4 and iX in particular in terms of purchase price and very generous subsidized lease details. Mercedes is trying to sell these EQ models like AMGs by offering the best deals via purchase which, for these vehicles, just isn't a great idea. The resale value is not good enough and the cars aren't aspirational enough (read: EVs in general) for purchasing to be what you rely on.

 

[Merc1]

The real issue with flat out sales is the part you didn't quote:

“There is too much of a price premium — especially at the top end of the EQ lineup — and almost no [lease] support.”

BMW was smart with the i4 and iX in particular in terms of purchase price and very generous subsidized lease details. Mercedes is trying to sell these EQ models like AMGs by offering the best deals via purchase which, for these vehicles, just isn't a great idea. The resale value is not good enough and the cars aren't aspirational enough (read: EVs in general) for purchasing to be what you rely on.

Are they planning on changing this practice? They are piled up like Civics here.

M

 

[kiki voinea]

Are they planning on changing this practice? They are piled up like Civics here.

M

Where?

 

[Merc1]

Where?

Plano TX dealership.

M

 

[Serpens]

Are they planning on changing this practice? They are piled up like Civics here.

M

I have no word other than MBUSA has heard dealers loud and clear. The EQ models are getting continuous updates (including more range) and more standard equipment for MY24 but that's not enough for the EQS and EQE sedans in particular. I personally think they'll just need to create extremely appetizing leases on those models as well as positioning it under the S-class in price by $5-10k while also dialing back production.

 

[leylandi]

 

[dalab]

Wise, my question is: Why hasn't anyone done something similar before with the Japanese and Korean companies? (I think Daimler has 10% of Huyndai...)

Stellantis takes stake in EV maker Leapmotor; Europe JV planned

HANGZHOU, China -- Stellantis said it is buying a 21 percent stake in EV maker Leapmotor in a $1.6 billion deal that will give it a fresh shot in China and the smaller Chinese automaker a European foothold.

Stellantis and Leapmotor will set up a Dutch-based joint venture, in which Stellantis will own a 51 percent stake giving it exclusive rights for the export, sale and manufacturing of Leapmotor's products outside China.

"The Chinese offensive is visible everywhere," Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares told a news conference on Thursday in the eastern Chinese city of Hangzhou. "With this deal we can benefit from it rather than being the victims of it."

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/stellantis-plans-buy-20-stake-chinas-leapmotor

 

[dalab]

Mercedes CFO says EV adoption rate lower than expected
Finance boss Harald Wilhelm said the EV market is a "pretty brutal space."

The luxury carmaker on Thursday reported a 12.4 percent adjusted return on sales in its cars division in the third quarter. It expects to be on the lower end of a 12 to 14 percent forecast for the year because of price competition, inflation, high interest rates, geopolitical uncertainty and supply chain issues.

The automaker expects to maintain its sales rate next quarter.

Earnings before interest and taxes (EBIT) across the Mercedes-Benz Group fell 6.8 percent to 4.8 billion euros ($5.1 billion) while its vans earnings jumped 44 percent to 715 million euros with an adjusted return on sales of 15 percent.

Group revenue was down 1.4 percent at 37.2 billion euros.

Mercedes described the market environment as "subdued" and "marked by intense price competition, particularly in the electric vehicle segment."

Automakers from Ford to Tesla have been slashing prices throughout the year in markets from the United States to China to stoke demand, particularly in the EV market, but Mercedes has broadly resisted following suit as it focuses on boosting margins over volume sales.

Mercedes earlier this month reported a drop in overall third-quarter sales of 4 percent, with top-end sales down 11 percent, partly caused by model changeovers and a shortage in 48-volt systems supplied by Robert Bosch.

Car revenue dipped 3.8 percent due to the fall in deliveries but the average selling price remained stable, the company said.

Looking ahead, it expects the rate of sales from the first three quarters to remain at around the same pace in the fourth quarter, and did not adjust its full-year sales target of flat growth.

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/mercedes-cfo-harald-wilhelm-call-ev-sector-brutal