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Gor134
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All the Armenians in Glendale where I live are eating them up. Can't walk for more than 10 minutes without seeing at least 2-3 CLE53s. They're everywhere
kiki voinea
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CLE53 is the E63 coupe we never had. And by that , I mean the exterior .
It's absolutely superb.
Muscular and bold . I hope we will get a 63 . But not 2000cc....
leylandi
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No sales figures for the new CLA EQ? Did they only start selling them in September?
leylandi
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Mr. Mercedes
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LOL.
Ola is a dumb C**T. No other way to put it.
He claimed to be pushing a policy of high profit, high margin vehicles, and hiked the prices, just as Mercedes started rolling out EV duds and ICE vehicles that were clearly subject to extensive interior cost cutting. The 'high end' luxury offerings were also disappearing from the catalogue fast, with 2/3rds of the cabriolet and coupe range bowing out.
AMG destroyed their own best sellers, despite the market screaming for them not to do it, and with some really dumb internal decisions they have fumbled both the SL and AMG GT. Don't get me wrong, they are fantastic cars in isolation, but neither of them do exactly what they are supposed to. They're both in a bit of a no man's land in the market. The SL, such a prestigious nameplate in the Industry, is actually at risk of dying out.
They bragged about all of their high end aspirations, cutting the A-class, moving Mercedes upmarket etc., but had nothing to show for it but higher prices on cars the market didn't want, while all the cars that the market did want disappeared from the showroom floor. The product cycle was completely out of step with their supposed brand positioning and marketing.
Yes, the EU's unrealistic push royally f#cked all of the European Manufacturers, but Ola has been making poor decisions all over the place regardless.
3 years later, with both margins and volumes plummeting, all the noise out of Stuttgart is about panicked product decision making and back peddling. Corporate strategy is clearly a mess and that is putting aside the huge amount of noise around the design department. Surprise surprise the A-class will now live on. Probably in some bastardised format, until they can get a proper replacement to market.
Final part of my rant, MB is about to seriously damage the prestige of the G Wagon. They are so desperate to pump out as many of these high margin cars, they have started offering all sorts of engine variants in markets previously reserved just for the G63. These cars are becoming a dime a dozen on the road, and the customers who did fork out the $$ for the G63 'cred' are going to notice. The introduction of a baby G, under a CEO who has proven to be nothing but a tree hugging bean counter, is extremely concerning.
At this point, perhaps a Chinese takeover or merger would be a good outcome. Imagine the cash and resources they would have access to, to ensure they were 'engineered like no other'. The Chinese have proven they can engineer and manufacture alongside the best in the world now and an arrangement whereby Mercedes were the Halo 'German' brand of Chinese/German automotive powerhouse, representing the absolute best of the best, without having to worry about massive volume, would be quite ideal to me.
Merc1
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He doesn’t seem to grasp that people will pay high prices for a Mercedes but the quality gas to warrant it like in the old days. Once people won’t pay for G and S models anymore it’s game over. You wind up like Cadillac, spending the next 30-40 years trying to claw your way back to relevance. The GT and SL on the same platform seemed liked a great decision on paper; it saved both cars made their existence justifiable. The execution is off. The SL is just too expensive and no matter what people seem to think it’s not a true 911 competitor. The GT isn’t nearly the achiever the old GT was with its bespoke platform and layout. The woes of platform sharing, both cars wind up compromised.
IMO Mercedes biggest problem is quality, they’ll figure out the product mix as will any car maker of its size, but the quality and focus is what’s needed asap.
M
IMO Mercedes biggest problem is quality, they’ll figure out the product mix as will any car maker of its size, but the quality and focus is what’s needed asap.
M
@Mr. Mercedes
You’re 100% Right.
I wish you could join the supervisory board of Mercedes Benz, you’d learn them a lesson.
You’re 100% Right.
I wish you could join the supervisory board of Mercedes Benz, you’d learn them a lesson.
Markus Schäfer, Who’s leaving Mercedes Benz was in fact the gentleman, who once said, that Mercedes Benz customers don’t care about interior materials, and that this shiny black plastic trim is in fact premium.
OK is now trying to safe his job, but he made to much tree hugging decisions.
Let’s be honest, tree huggers were never MB customers, and they never will be.
OK is now trying to safe his job, but he made to much tree hugging decisions.
Let’s be honest, tree huggers were never MB customers, and they never will be.
The SL is to stiff, that’s the problem.
The GT is to heavy and to slow.
The CLE is to cheap inside.
The W223 and W206 are much cheaper inside than their predecessors, but much more expensive.
You pay more, for a worse car.
Are they really surprised that nobody’s gonna buy them.
The GT is to heavy and to slow.
The CLE is to cheap inside.
The W223 and W206 are much cheaper inside than their predecessors, but much more expensive.
You pay more, for a worse car.
Are they really surprised that nobody’s gonna buy them.
Mr. Mercedes
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I agree with everything here.
The W223 and W206 are big improvements over their predecessors under the skin though and traditional areas of strength for MB such as NVH and ride have really been improved. As you've mentioned, the new MB's drive pretty flawlessly, and despite the cost cuts, they are for the most part solid. The electronics are definitely a showcase.
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