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[Matski]

Let me try to understand. You say as the sale increase each year it is impossible that the customers feel the designs are bad?
Ok but sales increase EVERY YEAR for EVERY german brand, does that then mean that their designs are stellar to?

These words are not what was said. I think you're trying to paint an argument that doesn't really exist in order to make you last point more valid, which is silly because as it stands your last statement was sensible enough.

Simply put the numbers DO NOT HAVE TO BE BLACK (negative) to sense that there is a problem in Product perception, the lower INCREASE can still indicate that.

But anyway...

What slicknick was trying to say ( i Think) is ...

Hmm, I think he doesn't like some of the current designs, and therefore blames any negative headlines on that perception. This is golden rule number 1 for all forum based discussions about sales figures!

The purpose of me posting the graph wasn't really to question or promote BMW's place in the marketplace. It was more to question the sentiment he made "of late/lately" - there's no end of BMW "enthusiasts" that want to do nothing but berate any BMW designed since the E46, or E30... or whatever they happen to prefer, but as can clearly be seen on the graph - there is no other era where BMW have shifted so many cars so quickly. So really, there's nothing to back up the idea that BMW's designs are any worse now then they have been in the past.

Product life cycle, product portfolio, relative/compound gains and losses. These things cannot be ignored, in favour of simply blaming it on subjective things such as design.

 

[LaArtist]

^I agree, there are alot of factors that go into why the increase in sales is weaker some years, like overall economy, Product cycles and what not.. but all we are saying is that the design could be a part of the weaker increase, its not like its only this year.
BMW has been outperformed by MB several years, with lower precentage increase. This is how the closed the gap over the last decade.

How would a person like you explain that? i say that MBs porfolio now compared to back in the Days is much more attractive. And BMW's not as attractive, if it was they would be neck on neck with the increase numbers, which would result in BMWs advantage being maintained.

Anyways enough of this sales talk, it ammounts to nothing, in my book only the profits matter.
And Daimler is a monster compared to BMW.

 

[tomazino]

Are BMW 2er AT and GT not just as much Van's as the MB V-Klasse (very luxury Van) is?

No. 2AT and GT are in class of B class. As you can see, mercedes itself put V class in Van segment. You can argue that with mr.Z

 

[Matski]

BMW has been outperformed by MB several years, with lower percentage increase. This is how the closed the gap over the last decade.

How would a person like you explain that? i say that MBs portfolio now compared to back in the Days is much more attractive. And BMW's not as attractive, if it was they would be neck on neck with the increase numbers, which would result in BMWs advantage being maintained.

A person like me would probably try and make lots a graphs! However, since Mercedes do not breakdown their sales even by Class, (added to the fact BMW no longer publish them by body style) it makes comparisons of the product portfolio much harder, and to be honest I don't follow Mercedes (or Audi, or Lexus) closely enough to know when changes in the life cycle come in to play --- but those would be the things I would look at - not my personal opinions on which looks best.

Enjoy your profitability

 

[WAND]

4 million SUVs and 15,000 Maybach-s sold after the best-selling August for Mercedes-Benz

More than 156,000 vehicles sold in the best-selling August worldwide in history, a figure that others only dream of, while Mercedes-Benz achieves it. It equals with a 11.8% global increase, significantly powered by the popularity of the SUVs.

4 million Mercedes-Benz SUVs and 15,000 Mercedes-Maybach S-Class limousines have been sold since their market launch, setting new records for the Stuttgart grand brand. From January to August, deliveries have increased by 11.7% to 1,326,635 units – more than ever before in the first eight months of a year.

“Thanks to their double-digit growth rate, the SUVs once again contributed significantly to the best-ever unit sales by Mercedes-Benz this August”, says Ola Källenius, Member of the Board of Management of Daimler AG responsible for Mercedes-Benz Cars Marketing & Sales.

56,809 of August’s sold vehicles went to European countries, marking a 12.9% increase. 23,530 of them stayed home in Germany, for a 11.9% growth of the home market. Great Britain, Italy, France, Spain and Belgium also reported double-digit rates. Germany, France, Spain and Portugal, the Stuttgart-based company with the three-pointed star was the premium brand with the largest number of new registrations this past month.

Mercedes-Benz remains the market leader among the premium manufacturers in Japan and Taiwan, as sales in the Asia-Pacific region have reached a new high of 61,605 units. 41,072 vehicles were delivered to customers from the most important foreign market for the 3-pointed star company China.

The NAFTA region snatched 33,033 of the Mercedes-Benz cars sold last month, marking a 1.4% increase. Never before had so many cars been handed over to customers in an August in that region, nor in the individual markets of the USA, Canada and Mexico. 28,404 lucky customers got their hands on their new cars with stars in August, in the U.S.

The E-Class Saloon and Estate remain two of the most popular models of the brand, as approximately 17,000 such cars reached their new owners in August.

The S-Class Saloon maintained its position as the world’s best-selling luxury saloon since the beginning of the year. The Mercedes-Maybach S-Class has significantly raised the sales figures, with the 15,000 units delivered worldwide to exclusive customers.

There were 56,286 Mercedes-Benz SUVs tracing their new drivers in August (up by 39.3%), with the GLA and the GLC being the customers’ sweethearts. More than four million customers worldwide have been opted for an SUV of Mercedes-Benz to date. Since 2011, unit sales of SUVs have more than doubled.

Going from gigantic to minuscule, the smart fortwo and forfour recorded a 20.8% growth, as 7,631 people are already behind the wheel of the urban joy. Unit sales of smart models nearly tripled in China compared with the prior-year month.

http://mercedesblog.com/4-million-suvs-15000-maybach-s-sold-best-selling-august-mercedes-benz/

 

[Sovereign]

^ Good for MB but not so good for MB fan like me that also seeks exclusivity for the prestigious brand. Numbers for SMART brand ironically makes it a far more exclusive prospect than the MB brand now a days.

 

[Monster]

^ Good for MB but not so good for MB fan like me that also seeks exclusivity for the prestigious brand.

I agree, I see new Mercedes pouring out of every street I go.

 

[Merc1]

^ Good for MB but not so good for MB fan like me that also seeks exclusivity for the prestigious brand. Numbers for SMART brand ironically makes it a far more exclusive prospect than the MB brand now a days.

There hasn't been anything exclusive about a Mercedes in years, now certain models are pretty exclusive, but the brand itself isn't anymore. Hasn't been in years.

M

 

[far2000]

wOW THATS A shit load of Maybach S classes....

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

There hasn't been anything exclusive about a Mercedes in years, now certain models are pretty exclusive, but the brand itself isn't anymore. Hasn't been in years.

M

Agreed. And frankly I don't care how many people have the same car as me. As long as I am happy with the product I bought.

 

[EnI]

There hasn't been anything exclusive about a Mercedes in years, now certain models are pretty exclusive, but the brand itself isn't anymore. Hasn't been in years.

M

Especially now ... with V-class full-size van sales figures included in monthly MB Cars total sales figures.

As said: in the monthly sales reports MB includes V-class sales figures in the total MB Cars sales figures; but that's not the case in Daimler quarterly financila reports where V-class sales (and therefore the revenues from the sales) are illustrated as part of MB Vans division financial & sales report. Go figure. Some sort of "creative PR" going on in Daimler.

 

[klier]

Especially now ... with V-class full-size van sales figures included in monthly MB Cars total sales figures.

V class doesn't matter. BMW hasn't got anything like that and BMW is not exclusive either.
These brands are everywhere with niches and models unthinkable 25 years ago.

 

[Giannis]

Guys keep it civil, maintain a certain level of quality in your posts, watch your language and don't ignite inflammatory attacks or I'll continue deleting posts.

Three posts have gone to the trash bin as of now.

 

[Wunderkind]

The Mercedes Smart is just lame and poorly designed. The seating position is like that of a minivan and the dashboard is just S*H*I*T. The brake and accelerator pedals are poorly positioned. They should make the next generation a premium luxury car for the city-dwellers.

 

[klier]

The Mercedes Smart is just lame and poorly designed. The seating position is like that of a minivan and the dashboard is just S*H*I*T. The brake and accelerator pedals are poorly positioned. They should make the next generation a premium luxury car for the city-dwellers.

Absolutely not. It's a matter of getting used to, that's all.

 

[SCOTT27]

Internal projections show that next years 5er introduction will show significant increase along with the all new BMW X2model. Also revised 4er and i8 models including an open roof Spyder early and late next year respectively.

A larger projection lies within the Chinese built 1er Sedan clearing at least 100,000 units within the first year of sales.
The new X1 Li has met with good market response as will the introduction of the X1 iPerformance model.

Every second 7er being ordered now is the 740e which will join the existing eDrive models market share in many countries as the best selling model in their range. It is expect similar for the eDrive 5er models that will be offered in Touring form for the first time increasing its market reach.

Then in 2017 begins the complete overhaul of the BMW X models.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

With the 5-series and 1-series sedan, BMW may very well resume market leadership in 2017.

 

[Beemer B773ER]

With the 5-series and 1-series sedan, BMW may very well resume market leadership in 2017.

Shhhh.... don't let Marcus hear you.

 

[EnI]

With the 5-series and 1-series sedan, BMW may very well resume market leadership in 2017.

IT'S BEEN LEADING IN 2016 ALREADY - once you clear MB Passenger Cars total sales of "intruding" V-class sales figures.

MB only leads BMW in total worldwide sales when V-class sales figures are included in MB sales figures, while still lagging behind BMW sales (talking about core brands only, w/o smart, MINI & Rolls).

 

[klier]

IT'S BEEN LEADING IN 2016 ALREADY - once you clear MB Passenger Cars total sales of "intruding" V-class sales figures.

MB only leads BMW in total worldwide sales when V-class sales figures are included in MB sales figures, while still lagging behind BMW sales (talking about core brands only, w/o smart, MINI & Rolls).

Time to add more models to the passenger car sales list then!

I can make a case for this one, for example:

Put a passenger carriage behind it and it transports people!!