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[Centurion]

90% capacity at -40c is mind boggling.

 

[WBarnes]

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[klier]

While most hybrids are said to use one to two litres of fuel per 100km, a study claims they need six litres on average

Plug-in hybrid electric cars (PHEVs) use much more fuel on the road than officially stated by their manufacturers, a large-scale analysis of about a million vehicles of this type has shown.

The Fraunhofer Institute carried out what is thought to be the most comprehensive study of its kind to date, using the data transmitted wirelessly by PHEVs from a variety of manufacturers while they were on the road.

More at the link:

Plug-in hybrids use three times more fuel than manufacturers claim, analysis finds

 

[Centurion]

Further more not all owners charge their plug in hybrids. A few years ago there was a report that many leased hybrids are returned with unused charging cables!

 

[bmwz4coupe]

While most hybrids are said to use one to two litres of fuel per 100km, a study claims they need six litres on average

Plug-in hybrid electric cars (PHEVs) use much more fuel on the road than officially stated by their manufacturers, a large-scale analysis of about a million vehicles of this type has shown.

The Fraunhofer Institute carried out what is thought to be the most comprehensive study of its kind to date, using the data transmitted wirelessly by PHEVs from a variety of manufacturers while they were on the road.

More at the link:

Plug-in hybrids use three times more fuel than manufacturers claim, analysis finds

No kidding…..!

 

[sl123]

Here is my G70 average consumption over more than 30,000 km

 

[klier]

No kidding…..!

Nope

 

[Big Sam]

Further more not all owners charge their plug in hybrids. A few years ago there was a report that many leased hybrids are returned with unused charging cables!

Which means nothing, because if you have a tethered charger at home you wouldn't need to use the cable that comes with the car.

 

[KiwiRob]

Which means nothing, because if you have a tethered charger at home you wouldn't need to use the cable that comes with the car.

I haven't used the cable which came with my MINI and only used the cable in the iX when I stayed in a hotel where the charger didn't have a cable.

 

[Swissbob]

Ford Latest Recall Crisis Leaves Thousands Of SUVs Stuck Without A Fix | Carscoops

After a third battery recall hits the same plug-in hybrid SUVs, owners are told to limit charging and wait for a solution that is not here yet

www.carscoops.com

3.rd Recall of the Ford because of the Bad battery.

And they still haven’t been able to fix it.

That’s really crazy.

 

[Design FIRST]

Myths and misinformation mean UK motorists still don't understand electric cars | Auto Express

Two-thirds of UK motorists apparently don’t know that EVs can be cheaper to own and run than petrol cars

www.autoexpress.co.uk

For what it's worth. Whatever...much of what is presented can be clearly detected in politics, strategies of manufacturers, legions of consumers and discussions on automotive forums. This is most certainly NOT confined to the UK. And where does this come from ? Apprehension of transformational processes ? Adherence to tribal ideologies ? Myopia ? Broken political promises ? Broken promises by manufacturers ?

 

[Matski]

Myths and misinformation mean UK motorists still don't understand electric cars | Auto Express

Two-thirds of UK motorists apparently don’t know that EVs can be cheaper to own and run than petrol cars

www.autoexpress.co.uk

For what it's worth. Whatever...much of what is presented can be clearly detected in politics, strategies of manufacturers, legions of consumers and discussions on automotive forums. This is most certainly NOT confined to the UK. And where does this come from ? Apprehension of transformational processes ? Adherence to tribal ideologies ? Myopia ? Broken political promises ? Broken promises by manufacturers ?

I read that article this morning, I thought it was terrible.

Not that I ultimately disagree with it (which I'll come onto), but it's just nothingburger without knowing what the questions were and how they were pitched... "Can EVs be cheaper..." is a stupid question, whether or not they ARE is likely circumstance dependent, but since the question is "Can" then the answer should have been 100% Yesses because you absolutely CAN come up with a scenario where they are - but that doesn't mean they will be - you don't know what scenario the respondents were given or imagining.

So, outside of the Interweb, the Pub is where I talk cars with people, and I will always throw out EVs as conversational red-meat, to see who starts frothing and who doesn't. There is absolutely misconceptions, bias and misunderstanding, I wouldn't dispute that. Easily, the most common (non-preference*) reasons I hear; the cost of replacing a battery, and potentially being locked in an agonising fiery death situation. I find it satisfying that the image that Tesla has imparted on many people, is burning to death, but these are both biases that are somewhat easy to dispel. In my experience most people are fairly pragmatic on the topics of charging and range etc. which is good - I've always said the benefits are use-case dependent.

*I know quite a few people that are biased against EV's, simply because they want a clutch and gearstick.

With that said, I do also hear misinformation from pro-EV people. I've heard people say things like "EVs can do a thousand miles now", and "they charge up as quickly as the petrol station"... clearly these people have seen a headline about some Laboratory tech and simply applied it to all EVs in exactly the same way as someone heard about one EV fire and thinks they're a massive fire hazard.

At the end of the day, from the UK perspective (as the article is written), we don't have a choice, the ZEV mandate stands - people will buy EVs and they will be happy.