Vs 5Th Gear: M3 V8 vs C63 AMG

[Sunny]

I see every body here happy with track run what does the track means for everyone. Are spending half of your life driving in track???! or even did you saw a real track on your life?? so it will be useless. The most important things for every body driving his car every day are:
1-The power
2-Nice looking car
3-Comfortable
4-Enough handling
So why you need all this handling when you are driving in legal street unless you are not a good driver and maybe you want a car to drive by it self...

Any body do not agree with me??

So why you need all the power "when you are driving in legal street"?

And how much handling is "enough handling"? Why not enough power? Even a Hummer has enough handling to negotiate your normal exit ramp at a safe phase with out tumbling over, so I guess that is "enough handling".

And last but not least you don't have to spend half your life at track to appreciate a good handling car.

 

[castagna]

Take into account that the C63 wasn't equipped with the Performance Package and.....had a nail in one of its tires

On TV - Fifth Gear

 

[LaArtist]

cool test .. as we all knew the M3 is the better track car..
im surprised that ppl still need confirmation on this fact..

on the other hand in 8 out of 10 everyday situations the C63 would eat the M3..
and the big thing is,,that it does not feel dissconnected like previous AMG´s..
it has a good feel to it..and good fun..

 

[coolraoul]

Haha then the car lost its balance because the weight was not well distributed anymore...Too much weight on the side of the puncture because of the nail and repair liquid.

And a lower pressure on a tyres explained why it was slower than the M3 and less balanced.

No seriously, I think it is clear now that the M3 is both a bit faster and a bit more comfortable, and that it seems to be less difficult on the limit.
The C63 is more raw, brutal, feels more powerful, has more steering feel...Accelerates faster.

But first, nobody drives these cars on the limit and without ESP, second these limits are so far that nobody "normal" can reach them on the read without driving like a madman (and then crash, with any car).


These two are so close that you can't be wrong with any of the two. It is a matter of personal preference, but gone is the time where a M3 owner could see an AMG owner with some kind of commiseration. And that is a milestone given how good an M3 is.
Remember that many reviews were saying the C63 better, and faster than the M3, before the head-to-head tests. It means the C63 even can be considered as more entertaining and fun in everyday situation...when you have no tome-attack, track and professional driver...

Two fabulous pieces of engineering, two fabulous pieces of dream.

 

[Zafiro]

If Im after power I will buy myself a tuned 335i. I've seen it with my own eyes how a tuned 335i beating the new M3 in straightline. Better up I buy myself a ugly 700hp Fast&furious wannabe Toyota Supra, should be enough power for me.

 

[ACE]

I saw this on 5th gear last night. 5th gear presenters (just like Top Gear presenters a few weeks back) referred to the M3 COUPE as a SALOON. Why? Have they forgotten that the there is a separate M3 saloon? The M3 COUPE would beat the M3 saloon in all 3 tests (probably not much difference in the drifting contest though). We all know the Saloon is fractionally heavier and slower than the Coupe. So why do these shows act like there is no difference and call the coupe a saloon? I don't get it.

I'm with atuv on this one. I want to see the C63 AMG tested against the M3 E90 (with DCT) as this is the most accurate comparison, even though DCT is not exactly the same as the auto.

For the record, I prefer the M3 and I am considering the M3 saloon with DCT as my next car.

 

[Tarek]

I see the excuses are flying every which way .

Not excuses but facts

The fact that the M3 coupe has a better diff and 200kg lighter weight and it's a coupe hence the lower center of gravity is responsible for the better track run is facts not excuses

 

[Zafiro]

But it sure sound like it when I hear those "what if" arguments J/k
C63 has more powerful engine, "what if" M3 ........, "what if" the M3 had the M driver package ....., "what if" the C63 had a diff ....., "what if the C63 weigh less ...., "what if" the RS4 had RWD ...., "what if" the RS4 had more power..... .

It doens't work like that, we have to accept how the cars were built. BMW and MB has built their cars in way they thought is the best for their performance cars. "what if" arguments are just wishful thinking. It's not the other carmakers fault that one has better advantage than the other car. Its not like I'm different from you guys but we have to accept how these cars were built.

I'm sure you guys get my drift.

Funny thing is on the public streets it will be a rare moment if you meet a C63 thats going to race and drift with you when you're driving your M3. Or vice verse. You dont buy a C63 because you hope one day meet M3 to race. You buy yourself a M3 or a C63 for other reasons.
As usual, its just another fanboy pissing contest on this board

 

[Tarek]

But it sure sound like it when I hear those "what if" arguments J/k
C63 has more powerful engine, "what if" M3 ........, "what if" the M3 had the M driver option ....., "what if" the C63 had a diff ....., "what if the C63 weigh less ...., "what if" the RS4 had RWD ...., "what if" the RS4 had more power..... .

It doens't work like that, we have to accept how the cars were built. BMW and MB has built their cars in way they thought is the best for their performance cars. "what if" arguments are just wishful thinking. It's not the other carmakers fault that one has better advantage than the other car. Its not like I'm different from you guys but we have to accept how these cars were built.

I'm sure you guys get my drift.

Funny thing is on the public streets it will be a rare moment if you meet a C63 thats going to race and drift with you when you're driving your M3. Or vice verse. You dont buy a C63 because you hope one day meet M3 to race. You buy yourself a M3 or a C63 for other reasons.
As usual, its just another fanboy pissing contest on this board

Well Andreas i agree but i wasn't saying "what if" i was clearing out some facts about both cars that's all.

 

[Mr Robert]

Not excuses but facts

The fact that the M3 coupe has a better diff and 200kg lighter weight and it's a coupe hence the lower center of gravity is responsible for the better track run is facts not excuses

We can all appreciate that a fair amount of excuses are flying around here.

What you are stating is by no means facts. They are assumtions. Until those assumtions are backed up for example a test they will remain assumtions. Since we do not have a M3 sedan at hand we can only guess, by all means qualified guesses, but they are not facts.

 

[Zafiro]

Well Andreas i agree but i wasn't saying "what if" i was clearing out some facts about both cars that's all.

I know what you said Tarek but you get my drift.
Fact is that M3 is underpowered compare to C63. Fact is that M3 didnt have DCT. Fact is also that both cars are great.
I'm just clearing out some facts about the cars.

 

[Tarek]

We can all appreciate that a fair amount of excuses are flying around here.

What you are stating is by no means facts. They are assumtions. Until those assumtions are backed up for example a test they will remain assumtions. Since we do not have a M3 sedan at hand we can only guess, by all means qualified guesses, but they are not facts.

Ok..

Am i assuming that the M3 has a better center of gravity?

Am i assuming that the M3 is lighter in weight?

Am i assuming that the M3's diff is better than the one fitted on the C63?

the answer is NO,it's all facts about both cars the only thing i assumed is a diff track result when the M3 sedan is used that's all

 

[Mr Robert]

the answer is NO,it's all facts about both cars the only thing i assumed is a diff track result when the M3 sedan is used that's all

The fact that the M3 coupe has a better diff and 200kg lighter weight and it's a coupe hence the lower center of gravity is responsible for the better track run is facts not excuses.

Sorry, I must have misunderstod you. I thaugt you meant that these were the reasons why the M3 was faster than the C63 and that the E90 will be slower than the C63.

Because we do not know if the E90 M3 will be faster or slower than the C63, yet. But now I know that you mean "better track run" compared to the E92 M3 and then I agree, the E90 will probably be a fraction slower than the E92 - based on the facts presented.

 

[MB_AD]

So why you need all the power "when you are driving in legal street"?

And how much handling is "enough handling"? Why not enough power? Even a Hummer has enough handling to negotiate your normal exit ramp at a safe phase with out tumbling over, so I guess that is "enough handling".

And last but not least you don't have to spend half your life at track to appreciate a good handling car.

If you give me more power I'll be happy and if you increased it I'll be happier I can use it in staight line or when someone try to play with power. I can hit the peddal more to feel of the sport car with the (enough handel) to keep me in my line or to play 1-2 for couple of minutes.

For you if you have less power with too much handel you can not drift or driving like crazy in legal street. (Or if you play with me(the power) you will cry with your handling back) and if you can catch me then you may ask me to race in track and i would say sorry or

 

[MB_AD]

If any body of BMW Fans who like M3(coupe) want to play with MB we have a prety old car but that would be enough for you like CLK63 BS (coupe) and here is the coupe vs coupe.

 

[Zafiro]

If any body of BMW Fans who like M3(coupe) want to play with MB we have a prety old car but that would be enough for you like CLK63 BS (coupe) and here is the coupe vs coupe.

but Im not ready to pay that expensive price you need to pay to get a CLK63 Black Series. In that price league I rather spend my money on a more exotic car, like a Porsche, Ferrari or a Lamborghini or even an Aston Martin. (No, not a M6 becuase its not exotic either). Both M3 and C63 have affordable prices for decent money , a CLK63 Black Series doesn't.
Now, lets stay rational please.

 

[Zafiro]

If you give me more power I'll be happy and if you increased it I'll be happier I can use it in staight line or when someone try to play with power. I can hit the peddal more to feel of the sport car with the (enough handel) to keep me in my line or to play 1-2 for couple of minutes.

For you if you have less power with too much handel you can not drift or driving like crazy in legal street. (Or if you play with me(the power) you will cry with your handling back) and if you can catch me then you may ask me to race in track and i would say sorry or

LoL what is this?!? I will never race you anyway and the M3 fulfill my needs perfectly for driving on public roads. I dont need a faster car or better handling car. If I want something faster I buy a Corvette Z06, if I want something that handles better I buy a Lotus Exige.
I just want a highreeving Coupé that can give me fun moments and making me feel like a happy person.

 

[martinbo]

Guys guys guys... chill.

Even if this is internal combustion, not a single one of the so-called BMW fanboys is calling the C63 a failure - far from it! There's no denying that the C63 is one of AMG's finest achievements to date. For regular and advanced drivers alike, this 335 kW, 600 Nm bahn-stormer is unmatched in the muscle stakes. It's also got an impressive resume in the handling and dynamic precision sectors. Those that will have the distinct privilege of owning one will be pretty rightfully chuffed.

We're not going to dispute that the C63 may have been at a disadvantage due to the tyre pressure nor will we completely disregard the fact that this car, ostensibly, was not equipped with the LSD.

All that is being said about the new M3 is that, for 20-odd Kilowatts and 200 Nm short, it still acquits itself as the magic-trick-machine of this class. The E90 will be hardly any different.

It's quite simple; from an engineering perspective the E92 M3 is the most complete car available for even twice the price. The combination of the imperiously advanced V8 engine (you'd have to spend serious dosh to find another engine with a throttle butterfly for each cylinder), perfectly direct gearbox and high-tech rear differential all contribute to the car's completeness. The M-DCT version is only going to be even better I expect...

In closing, doesn't matter which one you choose - you won't be alone. Furthermore, you'll be one happy camper either way because the car you choose will be exactly all that you ever wanted.

 

[Tarek]

^Good points,thanx Martin

 

[DeDe]

C63 AMG: made for the Autobahn.
M3 V8: made for winding roads.

These are the only reasons why the M3 is faster on the track, and why the C63 kills it's rival above 200 km/h...