5.5 liter V8 supercharger VS 6.2 liters V8 N/A engine?

[SDNR]

I would expect that many customers will demand a turbocharged version ...so eventually we might get to see one ...in a Maybach coupe perhaps.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

I think it's just a matter of the engines not being ready. AMG have hinted strongly that more powerful variants (tuborcharged?) are to be expected within the next 2 years no?

And this way it will keep sales of the top line AMG's flowing nice and steady for at least the next 5 years.

 

[JaBriX]

Do you guys think that 525 hp is the max of the engine + 7G gearbox potential ? , The guy who designed this engine is the same guy from Porsche 996 GT3 ? I am very curious about the true potential of this AMG 63 engine because the old V8 supercharged max potential is 580 hp in the CLK DTM AMG (count out the 650 hp SLR 722). I dislike the way AMG differentiate the output of their different models by simply tuning the engine instead of decreasing the displacement according to the desired output figures, this is why all of us will be always guessing numbers with the real potential of AMG engines.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

It appears (in the CL thread) that the CL63 is going to be naturally aspirated and have "only" 525hp. Not sure if I'm pleased with that, I was expecting about 570hp from a turbocharger or at least 550hp in naturually aspirated form. The CL63's performance isn't going to be that much greater than the old CL55, IMO.

M

I think it's MB keeping thing under control a little.
From what I know the BMW V10 derestricted has about 530 HP. I rember reading that some crazy tuning firm got 600 HP solely via ECU .
So the V8 form AMG should pump way more IMO than just 525 HP.

 

[Antonio]

I will give my two cents...

I think the new Mercedes 6.2 V8 should at least output something like 90 Bhp per litre. That would mean 558 Bhp. Or if round the numbers = 560 Bhp.

The Audi RS4 outputs 100 Bhp per litre from a 4.2 V8 32V = 420 Bhp and the same thing goes for the BMW M5 which outputs something like 101 Bhp per litre.

That's my opinion.

 

[Merc1]

I think it's MB keeping thing under control a little.
From what I know the BMW V10 derestricted has about 530 HP. I rember reading that some crazy tuning firm got 600 HP solely via ECU .
So the V8 form AMG should pump way more IMO than just 525 HP.

If that is the case than a V10 should have more hp too, the AMG Mercedes V8 is limited by cooling and breathing than anything else. In short the current cars it goes into don't have enough openings for more air, according to an Autoweek article on the new V8 a while back. The engineers said there is about another 50hp in there if they could figure out how to get more air into the engine without a blower.

This about what the AMG V8 "should" be putting out is sounds a BMW die-hard that can't handle that a mere V8 outdoes their precious V10, IMO.

Oh, and lest you forget the AMG V8 is capble of 580hp in the CLK DTM that the engine made its debut in so there goes that theory! That shows you what the engine is capable of, but a Mercedes is biased towards luxury so it doesnt need to scream like a BMW V10, but know it is capable of 580hp with no forced induction.

M

 

[Matt]

Its actually a very good question, Andreas...and not too early...

Heres the thing. Mercedes really wanted to incorporate the 7 speed transmission into their AMG cars. They couldnt do that with the supercharged 5.4 litre 8 because the torque would have torn it apar- so instead they made a higher reving N/A engine that coincide well with the new transmission along with shutting the critics up, who continue to say that supercharging is cheating in the horse power war.

Either way both are awesome engines. The new one is probably better though because I doubt mercedes would go to that much trouble and expense to produce a worse product than the one its replacing. I highly doubt it.

 

[JaBriX]

The new AMG engine is better especially in terms of weight, thats the only clear advantage over the old engine.

 

[SDNR]

Either way both are awesome engines. The new one is probably better though because I doubt mercedes would go to that much trouble and expense to produce a worse product than the one its replacing. I highly doubt it.

That is exactly what I think too Matt

 

[Imhotep Evil]

This about what the AMG V8 "should" be putting out is sounds a BMW die-hard that can't handle that a mere V8 outdoes their precious V10, IMO.

Oh, and lest you forget the AMG V8 is capble of 580hp in the CLK DTM that the engine made its debut in so there goes that theory! That shows you what the engine is capable of, but a Mercedes is biased towards luxury so it doesnt need to scream like a BMW V10, but know it is capable of 580hp with no forced induction.

M

Mate I wasn't flaming you or anything, nor was saing the V10 is better or viceversa, I was saing that it appears that both MB and BMW seem to impose restrictions on their engines thus resulting in somewhat "underpowered" cars (as oppsoed to their unrestricted potential).

 

[Merc1]

Mate I wasn't flaming you or anything, nor was saing the V10 is better or viceversa, I was saing that it appears that both MB and BMW seem to impose restrictions on their engines thus resulting in somewhat "underpowered" cars (as oppsoed to their unrestricted potential).

Well they have to ensure reliability and some sense of refinement. We both know they can squeeze more power out of these engines, but how long would they last and they still have to pass noise regs in various countries.

M