F1 2019 Formula 1 Season thread
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Yes- J.P. Montoya could be entertaining. Unfortunately, he occasionally fell vicitim to his own mindgames. Feisty ? Most certainly. Clever ? Far lesser so. He left a lot of scorched earth behind him which, in turn, helped torpedo his own career. And with a total of 7 victories in six seasons-with quite competitive cars (Williams-BMW & McLaren-Mercedes), his harvest in F1, in numerical terms, was meager.
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Yes he is a retard and you are not the little shit under a rock. That was general for people that hate on great achivements.
i would never call you that.. you know I got mad love for you!
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Hulkenberg has had years to distinguish himself but failed to do so. However I found it surprising that Mercedes hired Bottas instead of Hulkenberg who was sometimes a fan favorite to become driver no2 at either Mercedes or Ferrari.
Right now I would say that Bottas is a greater WDC contender than Leclerc and Verstappen. Although Lewis beat Bottas with a huge margin, the Fin only scored two fewer podiums then Lewis.
Heroic wins are cool but account for little of you will finish most races outside of the podium or even worse, DNF. It's only for so long that Leclerc and Verstappen can play the baby card. They need to become more consistent if they want to win WDC.
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I occasionally do some work for an ex-driver/driver manager that new JPM during his F1 career, his opinion was he's naturally very able, but was simply lazy - attitude was all wrong, comments about his fitness and some of the comments Patrick Head made at the time would back this up. Being up against the Schumacher/Ferrari era package obviously also didn't help the results. I don't think you can get away with his attitude in F1, hence the fall out with BMW.Williams management, and then leaving McLaren mid-season... but still, very entertaining to watch, consequently I followed him in NASCAR also for years. As with many drivers, never quite had the equipment to realise his talents.
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I believe it was Keke Rosberg who, in an interview some 14-15 years ago, stated that Michael Schumacher was a "Drecksack" ("a dirty bastard"). A bit later on, Keke put that initial quote into perspective and maintained that it was not intended to be derogatory. In actuality, it was simply meant to emphasize the necessity for racing drivers to be opportunistic, often ruthless egoists in order to reach the very top. It appeared that Kekes' son Nico adhered to his fathers' elaboration as of the last quarter of the 2015 season and throughout the 2016 season-the result of which being F1 history.
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It's a pity that in the past 2 decades or so F1 has become more of a have and have nots. It's the reason that drivers were able to become multi world champions solely because of the machinery they operated.
I will acknowledge that there a re drivers who were able to upset the apple cart while driving cars that were inferior. Senna, Schumacher and Alonso to mention a few.
This is why i steer clear of calling modern day drivers legends and best driver ever and so on.
For me it's like this. When Vettel had a car that stuck to ground like glue (Newey designed) he was unstoppable. Now that it's not happening for him he can't handle the pressure.
Hamilton, given the right equipment is by far the most consistent and cool under pressure driver. Is the best? That's debatable but for me he's in the very bottom half of my top ten.
For me the current best driver for this past year is a toss up between LeClerc and Verstappen.
They're both supremely talented and very green capable of making mistakes and a lot to learn but more talented than the current world champions still driving today.
itt woukd be very interesting to see these guys go toe to toe in standardized cars. That would be fun.
I will acknowledge that there a re drivers who were able to upset the apple cart while driving cars that were inferior. Senna, Schumacher and Alonso to mention a few.
This is why i steer clear of calling modern day drivers legends and best driver ever and so on.
For me it's like this. When Vettel had a car that stuck to ground like glue (Newey designed) he was unstoppable. Now that it's not happening for him he can't handle the pressure.
Hamilton, given the right equipment is by far the most consistent and cool under pressure driver. Is the best? That's debatable but for me he's in the very bottom half of my top ten.
For me the current best driver for this past year is a toss up between LeClerc and Verstappen.
They're both supremely talented and very green capable of making mistakes and a lot to learn but more talented than the current world champions still driving today.
itt woukd be very interesting to see these guys go toe to toe in standardized cars. That would be fun.
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I previously noted Michael Schumacher, Lewis Hamilton and Ayrton Senna as my Top 3 of the past four decades.
May I add another driver...and make it a "Top 4" ? Mika Häkkinen impressed me immensely. Not only as a driver-but as a sportsman. Raw speed arguably superior to that of Michael Schumacher. Great racecraft as well. His battle with Michael at Spa 2000 is legendary ("The Zonta Sandwich Simultaneous Pass"). Dedication, physical fitness and tenacity perhaps inferior to that of Michaels'. A very straight-forward, no bullshit yet absolutely likeable champion and very decent chap.
May I add another driver...and make it a "Top 4" ? Mika Häkkinen impressed me immensely. Not only as a driver-but as a sportsman. Raw speed arguably superior to that of Michael Schumacher. Great racecraft as well. His battle with Michael at Spa 2000 is legendary ("The Zonta Sandwich Simultaneous Pass"). Dedication, physical fitness and tenacity perhaps inferior to that of Michaels'. A very straight-forward, no bullshit yet absolutely likeable champion and very decent chap.
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This year both drivers have only won races when they have started from pole. They have also thrown away a lot of points while driving race winning machinery.
The jury on them is still out as Bottas finished ahead of both.
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Well, Verstappen didnt exactly dominate when he was team mate with Ricciardo...
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What would people say if Hamilton crushed into rival to win WDC ?
Or playing dirty games.
Rosberg said, that Michael once in Monaco goes to wc and stay there, even if not have need to go into wc, wait for 5 min and go out 5 sec after time run out for drivers and must go to the car.
His rival waited out and suffer and "stand on toes", waiting to release, but Schumacher block him on purpose, to get him nervous and that is the way he battle competition ?!
For me, it is lack of confidence to win on track.
Beat him on track !
So crushing into rival to secure wdc, dirty style and dirty games, big stain on MS career.
Or playing dirty games.
Rosberg said, that Michael once in Monaco goes to wc and stay there, even if not have need to go into wc, wait for 5 min and go out 5 sec after time run out for drivers and must go to the car.
His rival waited out and suffer and "stand on toes", waiting to release, but Schumacher block him on purpose, to get him nervous and that is the way he battle competition ?!
For me, it is lack of confidence to win on track.
Beat him on track !
So crushing into rival to secure wdc, dirty style and dirty games, big stain on MS career.
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Pole positions don't mean anything. Race wins are what matter. If you look at the three years Hamilton and Bottas were team mates, Hamilton's win rate is 50%. Bottas is 11%.
And had to retire immediately after the season finished because it took so much out of him.
I'm not sure of the logic you're applying here, but you think that someone who has won 6 WDC isn't that good because one year somebody narrowly beat him to the championship.
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Thats why I never liked Schumacher, there are a lot of stories like this about him
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Dont agree, pole positions means a lot. Thats where we see how fast each one is without interference of other drivers and team strategy. Only the driver and the clock!
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Yes and no.
For instance, Ferrari have qualy mode, which gave them a lot of power advantage
for one lap, but race pace isn't good as Mercedes.
And there are different track, so some are good for Mercedes, some for Ferrari and some for RB.
Also, you can set car for qualy or race. For instance, Leclerc set car for qualy, Vettel set car for race ( Russia ), so it depends on many factors.
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A driver could have 21 pole positions in one season, but if they don't win a race they won't be the World Champion. Being a World Champion is much more than driving a fast lap (of which Hamilton has had many, by the way). It's about having the whole package, from managing tyres, fuel, avoiding coming into contact with rivals and back markers, dealing with rain etc.
Pole positions don't "mean a lot" at all, otherwise the winner of the WDC would be the driver with the most pole positions, when in fact you don't even get a point for it.
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As we all know, Michael Schumacher is a 7X F1 WDC. In 1998, Mika Häkkinen nabbed the WDC from Michael in relatively equal machinery. Mika took the honors fair and square that year. I'll dismiss the 1999 season as Michael Schumacher missed six races. I'll also dismiss the 2005 season when the Rory Byrne/Aldo Costa transition produced a car that was often inferior to Fernando Alonsos' Renault. The 2006 season heralded the changing of the guard as Ferrari produced a far better car than the previous year and yet Fernando Alonso grabbed his second consecutive WDC "fair and square". In 1996, Schumachers' Ferrari was rubbish and in 1997, Williams produced a superior car for the better part of the season. Schumachers' "brainfade" at Jarez 1997 is perhaps the largest blemish in his career.
And yet-few if any would disagree that Michael Schumacher is one of the truly great F1 drivers of all time. As is undoubtedly Lewis Hamilton.
