Comparison tests 2014 BMW M3/M4 vs Rivals
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....... oh wait I do know why, he's British and loves JLR. 
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
4.5 star rating for both cars.
But in the end they choose Jaguar because majority of the time the Jag is more fun to drive, bmw only really sparkles when you're right on or over the limit of grip.
M4 better for daily-use.
Kilcrohane
Porsche Perfektionist
EVO, Autocar, Car... same bag of stinking shite.
So according to Catchpole and co. a 1,700 kilo plus, 375 horsepower, £60k, ancient F-type is at least the match of a 1,500 kilo, 427 hp, £57k, state of the art of automotive technology, in a different league of performance - 7'50'' 'Ring time - M4. Stomach-turning chutzpah.
Either other physical laws apply in La-la land UK or Catchpole is just another desperate lying Brit hack, sucking on the teat of Tata-JLR's advertising budget, to keep his sinking by circulation rag, and hence his livelihood afloat.
The more the rabid Brit press protest that the joke F-type is some automotive second coming and the slayer of twice the price Porsches, and state of the art, cheaper, more powerful, much lighter genuine Motorsport Beemers, the more they look like the sold-out desperate and sad sack jokes they always were, but tried to hide, as their last 'Brit' car maker becomes a total parody of a proper engineering car company and relies more and more on lies, Z-lister celebrity association and bought hacks to convince gullible folk to buy their cynical products.
The M4 with the M DCT is 1,612kg. Since when is a Ring time relevant in the day to day driving anyway? You're basing it on one set of criteria.
They conclude the M4 is the better car ultimately, but the issue is that is only when at 9/10ths. I can see why they might think that. They also say the M4 is better for daily use.
I fail to see how any of this is surprising when you look at what both the Jag and M4 offer "on paper".
Would I take the Jag over the M4? Not a chance. But that doesn't mean that the Jag might not be more of an "event" to drive. It's like comparing a TVR with the new M4. Objectively the M4 would be the better car in pretty much any way you look at it. But the TVR would probably be more of an experience.
Kilcrohane
Porsche Perfektionist
no it's not. that's with driver and luggage(EU). 1,497 kg DIN (manual). stop muddying the water.
All independent - i.e. truthful - weighings of the F-type show it around 1,745 kg for the V6 and around 1,800 kg for the V8, with only a few kilos difference between the Cabriolet and the Coupe. That puts a £60k F-type V6 S - assuming that's what the rag EVO compared the £57k M4 against - at around 250 kilos heavier/550 pounds, or around 3 large adult males. So stop with the pretense that the new M3/M4 is in any way comparable to the obese, ancient, joke F-type - they are world's apart.
So a BMW Motorsport 400 horsepower sub 0-60 mph in 4s M3/M4's core competence is now 'day to day drivng'?! What are you on about? There's a clue in 'Motorsport'.
Of course 'Ring times are central. It's a high-end sports car. The fact that an F80/2 M3/4 goes round the ring around 15 secs faster than a 550 hp XKR-S is absolutely relevant; and the fact that a 550 hp F-type V8 R Coupe is slower than a near 2-tonne M6 Coupe in independent testing.
Stop this silly and transparent disinformation nonsense on the ridiculous F-type - you're supposed to be the one who couldn't give a flying f*ck about Jaguar - remember?
The new M3/M4 is a higher league sports car to the fat old Brit muscle car. The M3/M4 is not only far far quicker than a £3k higher price F-type Coupe V6 S but also a 550 hp F-type Coupe V8 R, costing £85k, as the M3/M4 weighs 300 kilos less and is ultra modern, not on a ten year old platform.
I know exactly the measurements. I'm using the standards to which BMW THEMSELVES use, and that is the EU, not DIN. So, the M4 weighs 1,612kg, not 1,500kg as you say.
'Ring times have absolutely NO relevance to how someone might enjoy a particular car. The 'Ring time is just an easy yardstick by which manufacturers like to compare cars, and it provides and easy way to generate hype and "chat" amongst car enthusiasts and petrol heads on internet forums and pubs. A Fiesta ST, for example, might be massively slower on the 'Ring compared to the M4 Coupe, but I bet I know which car has the most ACCESSIBLE fun on the public road. And it's THAT which is most relevant to many buyers. NOT how quick it can go round a particular circuit in Germany, and one which the vast majority will never even see.
ha ha!!
"Disinformation"?!! You're the KING of disinformation. Constantly posting links which when you actually click through are a world away from how you describe them.And no. I couldn't give two hoots about JLR. I've never owned a JLR product and I can't see my owning one in the future. What I DO give a f*** about is people coming on the forum to spout their biased agenda and making up things in the process.
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