F1 2008 Spanish GP

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IMO 2008 is finished for them, BMW seems to be definitively the 2nd power now, Renault made a good progress, but light alonso (but not empty alonso) + Barca, a circuit that everyone know all about it and then much slimmer gaps than everywhere else also helped a lot. I expect them to be now the clear fourth team.
 
It's amazing what a difference Alonso can make in a team. Absolutely extraordinary, I must say. But lets wat to see how the race goes before jumping to conclusions. Both Clios could be very light afterall.
 
Alonso isn't on fumes, but he is a bit lighter than the rest. We'll see how his race and the rest of the season goes for Renault, but he is a seriously impressive driver. He won't win the race, but he is extracting results and points from an inferior car. He is a driver that any team should want.

The BS about how Alonso is a brat (compared to Saint Hamilton and Mr. Integrity) is overrated tabloid fodder. If he joins Ferrari with contracted No. 1 status, he can win another three WDCs easily and Ferrari will have the best car, best setup, best driver.
 
Interesting qual session, Alonso is a bit of a surprise, but seeing as it's his home GP, I reckon he's running pretty light. What I want to know is what happened to Heidfeld down in P9, not too good for him!
 
James Allen has mentioned that the team lack an experienced race driver to develope the car, and maybe this is true, looking at the current form of the team.


what about Pedro? i've always rated him a good test and developer driver, never a race driver..
 
Alonso isn't on fumes, but he is a bit lighter than the rest. We'll see how his race and the rest of the season goes for Renault, but he is a seriously impressive driver. He won't win the race, but he is extracting results and points from an inferior car. He is a driver that any team should want.

The BS about how Alonso is a brat (compared to Saint Hamilton and Mr. Integrity) is overrated tabloid fodder. If he joins Ferrari with contracted No. 1 status, he can win another three WDCs easily and Ferrari will have the best car, best setup, best driver.


both Alonso and Nelson is running very light, Pat Symonds seems to confirm this :

Renault's Pat Symonds has "hinted" that Fernando Alonso will start the Spanish Grand Prix with a light fuel load after the double world champion took a surprising front row starting spot in qualifying for Sunday's race.

Speaking to UK broadcaster ITV, Symonds said that while Renault have improved the R28 significantly since Alonso he finished tenth in Bahrain, the team had been 'creative' with Alonso's race strategy.

"Obviously there is some strategy involved," he said. "But I am really pleased to see the proof of the work that we have been doing over the last few months.

"It's also good to see Nelson [Piquet] (tenth fastest) up there in the top ten, it's his first time in Q3 and it proves it's a team effort.

"I don't think it would be any secret to say that Fernando and Nelson are not on the same strategy."

Asked why Renault had chosen to put their drivers on such contrasting strategies, with Piquet evidently running heavier, Symonds replied: "Well it's a question of how each driver can use it.

"We really have improved the car, we've made it lot nicer to drive, a lot more competitive, as you've seen right through the weekend," he added.

"Nelson still needs to learn, he still needs to get races under his belt and it is probably not the best thing to be too aggressive with him."

Despite running Alonso light in qualifying for his home race, Symonds emphasised that Renault were still aiming for a strong finish on Sunday.

"It's Sunday that counts, and with the season we had last year and the way we started this year, we just want to get some good solid results," he said. "And of course it's nice to be up there and we have a history of being quite creative with the way we go racing.

"Here is another example of it and it means a lot to us. Sunday really counts."

i think, they're just gonna go for a 4-6th place finish.
 
The BS about how Alonso is a brat (compared to Saint Hamilton and Mr. Integrity) is overrated tabloid fodder. If he joins Ferrari with contracted No. 1 status, he can win another three WDCs easily and Ferrari will have the best car, best setup, best driver.


no one said he's a brat whatsoever. i'm not a Alonso fan, but that can't stop me from denying that he's a real gentleman on the track, something like Kubik. he's a real winner and racer on the track.

but he's downside is how he complains to the press about the internal stuff of the team. thats all.

edit : Alonso was quoted saying post quali that the car is much easier to drive now, and more stable.
 
what about Pedro? i've always rated him a good test and developer driver, never a race driver..
Yes I was thinking about him, but on race day, the engineers still need the driver's opinion on the final setup. I am not sure exactly how the decision is made, but right now the team is struggling to find the sweet spot for the car.
 
Some new aero development on the Toyota rear wheel cover. Finally a team has decided to shape the rear wheel cover as fan blades. They might get away with it by saying it is part of the brake ducting system.

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More photo of the Ferrari nose vent, and an excellent side profile shot of the air inlet under the nose.

 
Pos Driver Team Time
1. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1h38:19.051
2. Massa Ferrari (B) + 3.228
3. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) + 4.187
4. Kubica BMW Sauber (B) + 5.694
5. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) + 35.938
6. Button Honda (B) + 53.010
7. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) + 58.244
8. Trulli Toyota (B) + 59.435
9. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) + 1:03.073
10. Fisichella Force India-Ferrari (B) + 1 lap
11. Glock Toyota (B) + 1 lap
12. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) + 1 lap
13. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) + 1 lap
 
Interesting race, not quite what I expected. I'm surprised by the low number of finisher, but in the top end everything went like I predicted earlier in this thread. Lewis chance was off course during the start and in the first corner and he took it. Overtaking is pretty much impossible so I knew that Kimi would trail off untouchable at the top. It's nice too see that Mclaren are shaping up, Ferrari weren't as dominant as they were in Bahrain.

Sadly for Heikki things didn't go so well, but I'm glad that he's okay. As for Alonso it was a very ambitious attempt by Renault but their clearly found out that the car is not ready to compete in the top end. BMW's performance off line is still lack luster, they need to work on that.
 
Uber shitty race as all the barelona gps are, glad to see kova ok.
 
no one said he's a brat whatsoever. i'm not a Alonso fan, but that can't stop me from denying that he's a real gentleman on the track, something like Kubik. he's a real winner and racer on the track.

Well no one has yet said that in this thread, but if you read all the posts slagging him, I get the general feeling that a lot GCF members think of Alonso as a whining brat.

Almost all great drivers complained when things didn't go well. However, that can be managed by the team. At some point part of the blame goes on the team bosses for not being able to manage two top-tier drivers.

The one Alonso complaining incident that bothered me was in 2006, when Schumacher was narrowing his lead in the WDC. He accused his team of not supporting him and not wanting him to take the No. 1 to Mclaren. That was ridiculous and merit-less, but I don't think he was totally unreasonable with Mclaren.

Go Kimi!

When was the last time we saw a Renault break down btw?

Probably sacrificed some reliability for quick speed improvement. They got a ways to go and I wonder if Alonso will be there in 2009. By the way, how safe is Heidfeld's seat? He hasn't exactly set the world on fire this year.
 
If there were no safety car periods Kimi's advantage on Hamilton would have been 15+ seconds.
great race from Ferrari :usa7uh:
 
By the way, how safe is Heidfeld's seat? He hasn't exactly set the world on fire this year.

That's what I was thinking. His race was killed by the safety car rules around when you can pit but Kubica has been beating him consistently in any event.

If Renault don't get into the top three or four by the end of the season, I'll predict we're going to start hearing rumors about Alonso moving to BMW next season.
 
If Renault don't get into the top three or four by the end of the season, I'll predict we're going to start hearing rumors about Alonso moving to BMW next season.

Last thing i need in my beloved BMW is a whining bitch! No thanks!
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Nick needs to improve, i admit, but i'm very satisfied with both of them.

Just keep on rollin', guys, we're very close to our 1st win.:t-drive::usa7uh:

:t-cheers:
 

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