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Lewis Hamilton on Monday said he rates his new McLaren team-mate highly, but is not expecting to have the same sort of fractious relationship with Heikki Kovalainen that he shared with Fernando Alonso in 2007.

At the launch of the team's 2008 car in Stuttgart, the 23-year-old was asked by Bild newspaper if, given Alonso's departure after the tumultuous past season, he was happy to now have a less star-studded rival in the sister silver car.

"Heikki is also very, very fast," the Briton said. "Believe me, I do not underestimate him."

While the McLaren duo officially have equal billing again, though, Hamilton said he senses that he will get along well with Kovalainen, the communicative Finn who debuted for Renault last year.

"You know how it is with certain people," he said with reference to Alonso, "some people you ask questions and they give you one word answers and some people make the conversation and are just easy."

"With Heikki I don't need to make the conversation, he is happy to start it and we just can talk for ages.

"He loves the car without traction control, he loves racing wheel to wheel, he loves a real true spirit race. With that I think it just makes everything a little bit simpler," Hamilton said.

The 2007 runner-up also told the newspaper that he would be delighted if the headlines were true - that the MP4-23 was indeed a gift to mark his 23rd birthday.

"Unfortunately, it is not in my contract that I can keep it," he smiled.
:D
 
The cars seems to be another Red Rocket.
It seems Kimi didn't want to stop working yesterday. After 17:00, when it was already pretty dark, he asked the team to go out on track again and it was on that very run he set the best time of the day.

''I'm happy, everything ok. No problem of any sort, not for the car, not for me, I'm not even a bit tired.''

''I didn't notice any substantial difference with the higher driver protection, these are modifications that increase the safety but for us, drivers, really little changes.''

''In short the first impression of the F2008 is very positive. It seems very fast to me, like the one from last year that brought me the title straight away....so on to the title quickly...No, jokes aside, I couldn't have hoped for a more positive day than this. And when it goes like this it's a good sign.''

On driving in the dark, was he preparing for the nightrace in Singapore already ?: ''I saw things very well, in my country your darkness is almost light for us. There will be time to prepare for the nightrace in Singapore.''

''There is a long way to go and we try to prepare in the best of ways because we want a good start to the season.''
And here a shot of the Mp4-23's back.
 
shonguiz, your picture still shows a back end but it's definately not MP4-23's :rolleyes:
 
  1. The nose has been raised, has a rounder shape and is a bit longer. The pillars that connect the frontwing and nose are higher and straighter.

    [*] The frontwing is still mostly that of 2007 and the bridgewing is gone.

    [*] The sidepods are more or less the same but the the entrance of the sidepods is different. The boomerang device, connected to the chimney, has come more forward.

    [*] Higher side protection around the cockpit.

    [*] The area around the airbox is very different, more bodywork has been cut away and there's a funny shape going backward.

    [*] This area of the engine cover is more outlined and narrower.

    [*] The exhaustpipes have a lower position and this area has been 'cleared up' as the protecting structure around the pipes has been done away with.

    [*] The flip ups and winglets have been revised.

    [*] The rearwing is still that of 2007 but will change soon.

    [*] The wheelbase hasn't been revealed but it seems the car is longer compared to its predecessor. It could be a lot closer to, but still shorter, than the F2007.
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Technical Analysis by autosport.com

McLaren had a stronger year in 2007 than their results suggest. Despite losing both championships, one on and one off the track, the 2007 MP4-22 outscored the Ferrari F2007 over the course of the season.

McLaren's MP4/22 was a car a leap ahead of their 2006 machine and their challenge for this year is to make a further step to beat Ferrari outright on pace at any circuit.

As with Ferrari, understanding their deficiencies was the first job along with the work to meet the new rules for 2008.

Speaking to autosport.com, Engineering Director Paddy Lowe explained that the aim, "to build on the areas we are confident will give us a definite performance."

The resulting car is quite a step from the one that preceded it: the changes are mainly in the layout, aero detail and the structural changes to accommodate them.

Lowe explained the changes to lengthen, saying the team "added a trim around the rear axle, its geared around weight distribution."

This move was widely anticipated after the Bridgestone tyre supply in 2007 demanded a forward weight bias.

The more visible changes are around the top surfaces of the bodywork. The engine cover is significantly slimmed - this starts as far back as the roll hoop, which is deeply undercut, requiring supports for the forward half. Then the vertical part of the cover is wafer thin, with the fins to meet the toblerone section rules even more pronounced than in 2007 and even more so in comparison to Ferrari.

Detail of the McLaren MP4-23The engine cover and gearbox fairing are slimmer to improve flow over the top of the diffuser, while the new cockpit padding is similar to Ferrari's interpretation of the 2008 rules.

If the rear bodywork is innovative, then the front of the car is equally a departure for McLaren, moving away from their distinctive low nose for a more conventional shape, which leads back to new bargeboards. Those no longer form an extension of the keel as has been used since 2002 - the simpler angled vanes hang from struts below the front wishbone mounts.

Meanwhile the rear boards feature more integrated flip-ups at their trailing edge. Also the fronts of the sidepods continue the integrated theme, with the pod wing forming the lower edge of the cooling inlet and the upper portion of the inlet being slightly behind, effectively splitting the pod wings into one upper and one lower device.

Cooling and exhaust outlets are similar to the MP4-22 albeit the exhausts are slightly closer to the centre of the car, due to the slimmer coke bottle shape.

Mechanically the car features an all-new gearbox, but like Caesar's sword, it features new versions of the old concepts. The quick shift gear cluster, raced since 2005, is updated with a lot of detail design work to ensure it lasts four races.

Surrounding the gears is a longer version of their usual carbon fibre cased gearbox. The rear suspension has been slightly revised, however the method of out rigging the wishbones to gain the correct geometry for the upper wishbone is still retained.

As the single ECU (SECU) is being supplied by McLaren electronics (MES), many people assume that McLaren have a head start on the integration of the unit. However, MES are a separate company and although McLaren have used a version of the same ECU hardware, the new solution is more involved than just this.

Lowe was happy to point that they do have some advantage with the unit, as they already have packaged the unusual triangular device into their car, thus the position, cooling and loom are already tailored to a suit the unit.

While this is a job saved for the team, the greater work was learning the new MES software and revising their control code to remove the traction, launch and braking control systems. Thus the lion's share of the job is still required by the electronics department and not a major advantage for the team.
 

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A bit off topic, but what the hell has Ron been doing, is it a case of when fake tan gone wrong or did Max try to stick Ron in an oven or something.

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A bit off topic, but what the hell has Ron been doing, is it a case of when fake tan gone wrong or did Max try to stick Ron in an oven or something.



he's probably just trying to show that he's relaxed and all. to avoid retirement talks maybe.
 
But he couldn't avoid it since many saw in the fact that they hold an official lauch party (after they said they won't) and moreover that was held in stuttgart a sign of the imminent Merc takeover (and then Ron's exit).
Regarding the car, PDLr and then HK superman drove it today at Jerez:
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Although i think the Mp4-22 looks better (and the Mp4-21 looks even better that the 2), thus car is still good looking, much better looking than the new Ferrari.
 
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The rhetoric about F1's new era of standard electronics continues to increase, with BMW boss Mario Theissen now stepping up his critique of the mandatory system supplied to all teams in 2008 and beyond by a McLaren subsidiary. Renault has until now been the most outspoken team about being compelled to use a system developed by the Woking based company, particularly after a 2007 season that was marred by spying scandals involving Ron Dennis' team. Ferrari's Jean Todt, also central to the McLaren espionage affairs, said this week: “We would have preferred that the [ECU] was built by another company.”

BMW-Sauber team principal Dr Mario Theissen voiced his qualms to the German newspaper Bild on Wednesday. “The move to standard electronics was a mistake,” he said. “We have incurred substantial additional costs. And the fact that [the ECU] is dispensed by a competitor, which receives and looks at our procedures, does not make things any better,” the German added.

McLaren engine partner Mercedes-Benz's competition boss, Norbert Haug, is keen to play down the ruckus about the jointly Microsoft-developed unit. “Our partner McLaren presented the best and cheapest offer [in the tender process], so for the FIA it was the logical choice. We are very confident that the concerns are totally unfounded,” he added.
BMW guys are really angry since they were manufacturing their own system.
 
thats this yr's Mac or last yr's one? it has that bridge on the nosecone..

also, looks like Kimster is teaching Phil how to have fun in the ice :D
 
As you can see, it's rather a revolution than an evolution, they used a whole new concept that incorporates the best solutions of 2007 cars.

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Technical Specifications TF108
Monocoque: Moulded carbon fibre and honeycomb construction.
Fuel tank: ATL safety cell
Suspension: Carbon fibre double wishbone arrangement, with carbon fibre trackrod and pushrod.
Dampers: Penske
Wheels: BBS forged magnesium
Tyres: Bridgestone Potenza
Brakes: Brembo callipers and master cylinders, Hitco material (carbon/carbon)
Steering: Toyota power-assisted steering. Toyota carbon fibre steering wheel with Toyota/Magneti Marelli instruments
Driver’s seat: Carbon fibre
Restraints: Takata
HANS device: Hubbard-Downing
Electronics: Toyota, Magneti Marelli plus McLaren Electronics Systems ECU (as required by FIA rules)
Transmission: 7-speed unit plus reverse
Overall length: 4636 mm
Overall height: 950mm
Overall width: 1800mm
Overall weight: 605kg inc driver and camera

RVX-08 Technical Specifications
Cylinders: 8
Capacity: 2,398cc
Horsepower: Approximately 740bhp
Revolutions: Maximum 19,000rpm (as required by FIA rules)
Valve actuation: Pneumatic
Throttle actuation: Hydraulic
Spark Plugs: DENSO
Fuel: Esso
Lubricants: Esso
Q+A with Pascal Vasselon, Senior General Manager Chassis

When did development of the TF108 begin ?

We made our first decisions about the direction we would take with the TF108 towards the end of the 2006 season. Since then, gradually we have increased our work on the TF108 in parallel to developing the TF107 throughout the season. However, after the Japanese Grand Prix in September, we switched our efforts 100% to the new car.



Has there been a major change for the TF108 ?

The aerodynamic concept of this car has changed. The TF107 was an evolution of the TF106 but this time the new package is a departure from recent Toyotas . The primary aerodynamic design philosophy for the TF108 is geared towards optimising the entire package to minimise balance and downforce changes throughout a lap, thereby producing a more driveable, aerodynamically robust car. In addition to the aerodynamic philosophy, another fundamental change is the wheelbase, which is longer. In mechanical terms we felt we had a strong basis in the TF107’s characteristics so we have focused on making a few refinements. We have made refinements to improve the weight over stiffness ratio with better structural efficiency, so we achieve the same stiffness values with less weight.



Why change the wheelbase ?

This was a decision we had to take at the very beginning of the TF108 project, for obvious reasons as it has a huge impact. The main reason for making this decision is to achieve more stability, but secondly we also expect greater aerodynamic development potential, giving our aerodynamicists wider surfaces so more space to play with.



Has the TF108 hit our targets in wind tunnel tests and other simulations ?

I am pleased to say the TF108 is on target, the aerodynamic efficiency and associated performance metrics continue to improve rapidly, but of course the real test will come when it runs on the track. The TF108 looks great and we are very excited to see it in action to learn if it lives up to our high expectations.



How ambitious were our targets ?

At Toyota we believe in setting challenging targets so we always aim high. When we did the comparison to other teams and what they were achieving in terms of performance, it was quite straightforward for us to deduce what targets we should be aiming for and what kind of aerodynamic figures we should expect to get. We knew what we wanted to achieve with the TF108 but setting the target is easy, the challenge is to deliver performance on the track.



Which areas did you identify to improve ?

In 2007, the performance overall was not where it had to be so there were obviously some weaknesses. The objectives for TF108 development are aerodynamic efficiency and drivability. For 2008, we want a car offering a wider operating window. This has been achieved through a better understanding of the key aerodynamic stability metrics, in addition to judicious whole car flow control and thermal management.



Are there obvious visual differences ?

Of course. One of the most visible changes is the combined use of suspension turning vanes, barge boards and undercut sidepods.



How much effort has gone into the TF108 ?

Everyone involved in this project has put an enormous amount of effort into the TF108. We started this car really early, with key decisions made at the end of 2006 to allow us to make an early start on developing the overall concept. Since then, the TF108 team have pushed hard to keep the project on schedule in terms of timing and in terms of the results we are getting in simulations and in the wind tunnel. The TF108 is the result of a great effort from everyone, from the team who designed it, to the wind tunnel, test bed and simulation guys who tested it and then our colleagues who built and assembled it. Getting a new car ready for its first test is inevitably a race against time but everyone has done a great job.



What’s next for the TF108 ?

Everyone has worked very hard to get to this stage but really the work is far from being complete. Now we will focus first on understanding the characteristics of the car on the track in order to steer set-up and development directions. This starts with the roll out on January 13 at Jerez . There is a lot of work to do to get the most out of the car before the season starts so there will be no let-up in our efforts.



Will there be a B version of the TF108 ?

We have no plans to introduce a B-spec version of this car but we will introduce significant new packages as the season goes on. The first new package will be on the car in Australia for the first race.



How has the Toyota Way been implemented in the development of the TF108 ?

The Toyota Way is in our blood so of course the principles and methods are used in the way we organise our resources and the way we deal with problems. The Toyota Way is now embedded in our philosophy.



This is the second year of the current tyre regulations, how has the team adapted the TF108 to the situation ?


In most cases you adapt to a new tyre situation by adjusting some key concept parameters on the new car. There are significant factors you must get right to use the tyres correctly, such as the weight distribution window or the camber change. We know from the TF107 that we got these characteristics in the right window so for the TF108 we expect to be in a position to work within our usual set-up parameters to get the best out of the tyres. Of course, we are still learning every day how to truly get the maximum out of the tyres because there are always small improvements to be made. The tyres for this season will be very similar to 2007, with just a subtle construction change which will be minor in terms of its effect on the car.



Has the team learned lessons from its 2007 performance ?

In Formula 1 you are always learning and that is especially true in our case. Our learning curve is probably steeper than most other teams’ simply because we are a relatively young team. We have learned lessons in terms of car performance, race management and start management. The positive thing about mistakes is that they make you stronger when handled in an efficient and constructive way. We still have work to do if we are to compete with the best teams but we are constantly learning and continuously improving.



What are your objectives for 2008 ?

Personally, I believe the target should be to fight systematically for the podium in 2008. Next year we should aim to achieve what BMW Sauber achieved in 2007, which was to be the best of the rest. It would not be realistic to talk of fighting for the title this year but we want significant improvement.
 


LEWIS HAMILTON

"It was fantastic to get my hands on the MP4-23 this morning in Jerez. I saw the completed car for the first time on Monday at the team's launch in Stuttgart and I have been pretty impatient since then! My first run was at 09:10 and my first impressions are good. You can't really read all that much into a car after so few laps, but the feeling is positive. Up to 13:00 UK time, I had covered 34 laps and my fastest time was a 1m19.132."
 

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