Zo6 - a Supercar?

[notic]

No. This is quite a common debate. the vette is actually on the list of "disputed supercars" on wikipedia.
Here's the current list they have for "Supercars" for cars made after 2000
2000s Supercars

* Ascari KZ1
* Audi R8
* Bugatti Veyron[9]
* B Engineering Edonis
* Ferrari Enzo[10]
* Ford GT
* Gumpert Apollo
* Hulme F1
* Koenigsegg CC
* Koenigsegg CC8S
* Koenigsegg CCR
* Koenigsegg CCX[11]
* Lamborghini Murciélago[12]
* Maserati MC12
* Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
* Mitsuoka Orochi
* Mosler MT900
* Pagani Zonda C12 S 7.3
* Pagani Zonda F "C12 F"
* Porsche Carrera GT
* Saleen S7

 

[Bruce]

But in Europe it goes for 120-200k(euro or american not sure)

FYI, the Z06 is a tad over 80,000 Euros.

 

[klier]

LOL, they call the R8 a supercar on Wiki?

Give me a break, lol...... 420 hp V8 in a 1500 kg car.....

 

[CarGuy]

LOL, they call the R8 a supercar on Wiki?

Give me a break, lol...... 420 hp V8 in a 1500 kg car.....

No dought that one from the list struck me the most

 

[Deleted member 182]

It's fast. Nuff said?

 

[CarGuy]

It's fast. Nuff said?

Yeah but not fast enough. So what now u think the M6 is a supercar?

 

[Osnabrueck]

I think cars the R8, Ford GT and even the NSX, all have the trappings of a Supercar. Sure, they may be outperformed by some some "non-supercars", like the Z06, but still sport a platform that is "bespoke and visually decadent." And when I say decadent, I mean car porn, not decadent in the sense of exotic materials and custom-dyed leather.

In my book, a real supercar can't be extracted from a doner car. So cars like the Z06, M5 and even the GT3 don't qualify, no matter how drop-dead awesome they may be. The R8 is certainly the lower-rung of the supercar club, but it has all the requisite supercar ingredients, and has enough performance to back up its exotic pretensions.

To me, cars like the Zonda, Veyron and Enzo are true supercars. But their performance and pricetags are so outrageous I feel like they belong to another class altogether.

So Z06 - awesome as it may be - is in league with cars like the Turbo, GT3 or M6. If the Corvette line was restricted exclusively to the Z06 trim I might reevaluate my answer...

EDIT - Come think, maybe not. One more dimention to supercar status is a reasonably stiff barrier of entry, which the Z06 doesn't have in the US. Six figures is my personal starting point. The R8 really skims close to the edge here, but I think pulls it off with a package that's convincingly exotic.

 

[GTA45E]

For me there are two categories:

Supercars:

C6 Z06
F430
997 Turbo
Gallardo


And then

Exotics:

Zonda F
Carrera GT
Enzo
LP640

Well said 7.3AMG, I completely agree with you and the other good IQ dudes who use their intellect! j/k Anyway you nailed the catagory in the head here. You don`t have to be ultra expensive with drop-dead looks to be a supercar, thats exotic-car territory.

Supercars are all about ultra-performance first, hence the name. Everything else is secondary. I voted yes! Heck, even the Ford GT is a supercar.

 

[Michael]

First and foremost, the term "supercar" should be defined, and I don't think it is going to be defined the same today as it was back 15 years go. Ferrari ultimately has been the super car, followed by Lamborghini. However, I think in the late 20th century, and early 21st century we saw a change in what a supercar is. We have the M3, M5, RS4, E55, etc. that all have super car speeds and stuff. So, saying that a super car was the fastest no longer holds. Also, defining them as ultimately so luxurious that no one could compare them is also false. I think supercar is a very vague term.

*It lacks the quality of a super car

How does it lack the quality? What do you mean by quality? I think the interior quality of the Z06 is better than that of the Enzo, if one were to consider the Enzo a supercar. Take a look at how stripped the enzo is, and then compare it to all the amenities that the Z06 has.

*It doesn't have the drop dead gorgeous and head turning looks

My friend, I don't know how to say this, but, this is a subjective comment. I think this lies with the eye of the beholder. Also, supercars are don't have to be "drop dead gorgeous."

*I have to admit that it is one hell of a performer but the performance isn't top notch.

What!?!?! The 0-60 time on this thing is in the 3's. Please lookhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=0-60+for+2006+z06

 

[MikeJ]

It's fast. Nuff said?

A Mitsubishi Lancer Evo is fast. Does that make it a supercar?

This thread has been interesting to follow. As for the term 'supercar', it was originally coined by CAR magazine, and they had a nice article about what it takes to be a supercar a few issues ago... IIRC cars like the Z06 didn't make it.

 

[Deleted member 182]

My definition of a super car:

-Very, very fast. Should smoke 99 % of stock car models on the road
-Good handling at any speed or corner
-Suitable for semi-experienced or even pro driver
-Excellent brakes
-RWD or AWD
-Mid or back engine
-Atleast ABS
-Low MPG
-Big, low-profile tyres, four of them
-Aerodynamic, but usally weird looking or maybe even ugly
-Very very expensive to buy and maintain but good (limited at some locations) after-sales services
-Good brand and image
-Driver is the one in control inside. Seats should be supportive and sporty so as steering and transmission stick, it can be poor when measured it standard accesories, low number of options.
-Interior materials and colours should be somewhat customizable. Exterior colour too.
-Poor rustproof and none
-Small or zero luggage space and only two seats inside
-Poor visibility especially back
-Not suitable for winter driving or off-roading
-Low ground clearance and stiff suspension
-Hard to get in and out
-It can be noisy inside or not, at least you should hear engine very well, exhaust pipes should be loud outside. Doube or quad exhaust, triple too.
-No mud-flaps, towing hitch or roof rails.
-Be something extraordinary
-I don't know about safety. OK everything less than four EuroNCAP-stars is crap. Safety is not a compromise.

THIS IS THE SUPERCAR BIBLE NOW!!!

 

[Deleted member 182]

A Mitsubishi Lancer Evo is fast. Does that make it a supercar?

Yes it's fast but IMO not fast.

 

[NarutoRamen]

A Mitsubishi Lancer Evo is fast. Does that make it a supercar?

This thread has been interesting to follow. As for the term 'supercar', it was originally coined by CAR magazine, and they had a nice article about what it takes to be a supercar a few issues ago... IIRC cars like the Z06 didn't make it.

First of all...HELL Yes this is a supercar. Second, Evo is fast but it doesn't come close to the performance of the Z06. Z06 can easily take on the like of 911TT and the Ferrari's. So since it can match those cars, then what is stopping it from becoming a supercar? The price or the fact that it is American? Probably Both in most people's eyes...and that is just retarted IMO. Third, I don't give a isht about what magazine's think...they can make as many lists as they want. It's not going to matter when someone gets smoked like a joke.

 

[MikeJ]

First of all...HELL Yes this is a supercar. Second, Evo is fast but it doesn't come close to the performance of the Z06. Z06 can easily take on the like of 911TT and the Ferrari's. So since it can match those cars, then what is stopping it from becoming a supercar? The price or the fact that it is American? Probably Both in most people's eyes...and that is just retarted IMO. Third, I don't give a isht about what magazine's think...they can make as many lists as they want. It's not going to matter when someone gets smoked like a joke.

First of all, there are American supercars. Saleen S7 is one, and the cars Vector used to make would qualify. According to my logic, the Z06 does not qualify for the same reason something like an M6 does not; it's just the performance variant in a model series. Even the 911 Turbo is a borderline case at best, for the same reason. Whether the car has better performance than some supercars is completely irrelevant, it's all about the philosophy behind the design and execution. The Z06 is a muscle car and not a supercar, IMO.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

Sorry MikeJ, but calling the Z06 a muscle car is an insult.

 

[MikeJ]

Sorry MikeJ, but calling the Z06 a muscle car is an insult.

Why is that? I've always liked muscle cars.

 

[Michael]

Why is that? I've always liked muscle cars.

Muscle cars are typical of just going in a straight line. When you present the car to curves it simply pulled over to the side, turns off the engine, and says no in the tach because it is afraid. They can't handle.

The Corvette has really changed it's image in the last decade or so. I would say that it must be one of the few american cars that can be considered a supercar and can really handle.

I think a supercar has to be unique, and if you take into consideration the Z06 it is pretty unique if you ask me. I dont think the term supercar should only be left to the cars that are extremely expensive.

 

[///K]

if the z06 is considered a supercar...what do you call enzos,CGT etc...?

 

[Michael]

if the z06 is considered a supercar...what do you call enzos,CGT etc...?

The same. Look, I believe that the term super car is not longer reserved for expensive italian cars that come in a special red color and attract everyone. Those years are over and they were the late 80's and early 90's. Now we are in the era where a supercar, IMO, may be considered a Z8, Z06, M6, SLR, CGT, etc.

If you are referring to a supercar which is unique, extremely fast, and expensive then my friend you have a taste for F1 cars.

 

[CarGuy]

The same. Look, I believe that the term super car is not longer reserved for expensive italian cars that come in a special red color and attract everyone. Those years are over and they were the late 80's and early 90's. Now we are in the era where a supercar, IMO, may be considered a Z8, Z06, M6, SLR, CGT, etc.

If you are referring to a supercar which is unique, extremely fast, and expensive then my friend you have a taste for F1 cars.

The Z8 can be hard to accept in my books but since the R8 is considered one also I guess I can live with it.
By these standards the C6 is a supercar also.
The votes are 20-20 even come on people make a clear winner.