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I think quattro system has a problem today with its 4X4 , bmw is superior. surfing trough internet, I have seen this video, the differences between this systems are very big. Q5 is a good car but for me, the new X3 is better and more beautiful to. this is the link....by by.-

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Has anyone actually found a test in which they say the Q5 is a better car than X3? Because I sure haven't!!
 
Has anyone actually found a test in which they say the Q5 is a better car than X3? Because I sure haven't!!


Aparently footie has tested all engine variants of the Q5 and X3 back-to-back. He said that the Q5 is the better car.
 
Aparently footie has tested all engine variants of the Q5 and X3 back-to-back. He said that the Q5 is the better car.

Not exactly, only the 2.0d, but I must say I was impressed by it's ride quality which is a huge improvement over the outgoing model.
 
Oh by the way Human, I drove your xDrive23d with DPC diff on the weekend - I am in process of recommending it to family friends who are looking to replace their 325i Touring with something a little more lifestyle oriented. The car is for a lady and the brief is that it mustn't be a big, bulky SUV and must behave on-road as close as possible to her beloved 3er.

Sorted. What a fabulous "little" car. Nimble, even agile, resists understeer amazingly, cornering balance is good and even the primary ride quality is decent. I was very impressed with the on-road manners of the X1, especially considering I'd just gotten out of my WRX and straight into the X1.

A very impressive AWD system in its own right. Just as quattro is in its right too...

Every day I see more and more X1s on the road. Just this morning in the building I work in I saw 2 X1s parked next to each other. X1 is a hot seller for BMW.:t-cheers:
 
I think quattro system has a problem today with its 4X4 , bmw is superior. surfing trough internet, I have seen this video, the differences between this systems are very big. Q5 is a good car but for me, the new X3 is better and more beautiful to. this is the link....by by.-

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Thanks! A true reflection of BMW's X-Drive superiority:t-cheers:


Thought this might help explain the other BMW promotional video better. ;)

Thanks again! Another true reflection of the Quattro AWD system...tooks a while and ALOT of wheelspin (especially at the rear) for the Q5 to get over and rolling beyond the resistance;)
 
Actually Nissan AWD is better than both systems.:D

Up to 50 km/h i can lock the transfer of torque to the rear wheels.


No way, im going with the latest gen Haldex, simple in design and execution, and I can control the drive bias via a remote. I can make my car FWD only to save on fuel for example :D

p.s

The rs4 torsen quattro to me appears to be better than the haldex in my TT. Sometimes in the TT you can feel the power shifting around when launching in the wet as I struggle for grip, something you dont get in the rs4.
 
Really? did you test it in all wheel sizes as well?

No, just a bog standard SE model with 18" rims. Much, much better than that last POS they called an X3, now it's something I would even recommend to my wife to consider. :D
 
No, just a bog standard SE model with 18" rims. Much, much better than that last POS they called an X3, now it's something I would even recommend to my wife to consider. :D

Do you know what else you could tell your wife? that the new X3 uses the same platform as the Rolls Royce Phantom. Be sure to tell her that you knowe this as a FACT. ;)
 
No way, im going with the latest gen Haldex, simple in design and execution, and I can control the drive bias via a remote. I can make my car FWD only to save on fuel for example :D

Very interesting comments, Poverty...
First of all, you're such a car gadget freak I don't know whether you're kidding or being serious about the remote control of the Haldex coupling. :)

The rs4 torsen quattro to me appears to be better than the haldex in my TT. Sometimes in the TT you can feel the power shifting around when launching in the wet as I struggle for grip, something you dont get in the rs4.

This is very interesting to me for a couple of reasons. First of all, to say that you can feel the power shifting around is something that made me think. I am of the impression [bearing in mind that the only recent Haldex experience I've had was in a Freelander 2 TD4!] that perhaps the sensation of power being moved around is exacerbated as a result of the significant gains in torque and power that arise from your tuning exploits? Secondly, did you feel this equally before you had the car chipped?

To say that Torsen quattro is better than Haldex quattro (whilst ultimately true) is being a little unfair on the latter system - after all, it's only doing what it was designed to do - when one has to consider how quickly it does react to torque overwhelming front axle grip and then engaging the rear wheels. With 420 foot pound of torque, that coupling's got its work cut out for it! :D
 
Very interesting comments, Poverty...
First of all, you're such a car gadget freak I don't know whether you're kidding or being serious about the remote control of the Haldex coupling. :)



This is very interesting to me for a couple of reasons. First of all, to say that you can feel the power shifting around is something that made me think. I am of the impression [bearing in mind that the only recent Haldex experience I've had was in a Freelander 2 TD4!] that perhaps the sensation of power being moved around is exacerbated as a result of the significant gains in torque and power that arise from your tuning exploits? Secondly, did you feel this equally before you had the car chipped?

To say that Torsen quattro is better than Haldex quattro (whilst ultimately true) is being a little unfair on the latter system - after all, it's only doing what it was designed to do - when one has to consider how quickly it does react to torque overwhelming front axle grip and then engaging the rear wheels. With 420 foot pound of torque, that coupling's got its work cut out for it! :D

JKM Performance. Haldex Performance
 
Very interesting comments, Poverty...
First of all, you're such a car gadget freak I don't know whether you're kidding or being serious about the remote control of the Haldex coupling. :)

It does exist, the latest gen 4 haldez controller can be bought with an optional remote. As I understand there are 3 modes.

Stock
ECO
Race

Stock obviously being stock, eco being majorily fwd, albeit the rear will still kick in if slip is detected. Race is a 30-70 split to the rear. Its said that in the race mode one can do donuts in the TTRS.

The cost for the controller and remote is about 1300usd.

I havent got the race controller yet, but watch this space :D


This is very interesting to me for a couple of reasons. First of all, to say that you can feel the power shifting around is something that made me think. I am of the impression [bearing in mind that the only recent Haldex experience I've had was in a Freelander 2 TD4!] that perhaps the sensation of power being moved around is exacerbated as a result of the significant gains in torque and power that arise from your tuning exploits? Secondly, did you feel this equally before you had the car chipped?

To say that Torsen quattro is better than Haldex quattro (whilst ultimately true) is being a little unfair on the latter system - after all, it's only doing what it was designed to do - when one has to consider how quickly it does react to torque overwhelming front axle grip and then engaging the rear wheels. With 420 foot pound of torque, that coupling's got its work cut out for it! :D

Its hard to say really how my tuning has effected the haldex, as I was stock when the UK was still pretty much dry, and when I did start to add the extra power its constantly wet and cold.

I did take the car to the drag strip when it had stock power levels, tried a 5000rpm launch and basically I wasnt moving anywhere quickly, the front wheels where spinning like mad and I was getting wheel hop. At the time it felt like the rear wheels werent doing much, but really hard to say as I had the adrenaline of trying to beat the evo next to me.

Generally I had low expectations of the haldex system due to what people had said about the system previously, ie mainly being a fwd car with a bit of rwd input, but I have to say that compared to my old FWD cupra the difference is night and day. Sometimes the system doesnt transfer the power how I would have liked it, for example powering out of roundabouts can sometimes be reminescent of a FWD affair of a lower scale in which the car understeers, but then on other occasions the car will send more power to the rear wheels when powering out of the same roundabout and you can exit it sorta sideways.

Again comparing it to the RS4 is hard, its alot heavier, less power without having a massive dollop of torque thoughout the whole rev range.

I would say the rs4 is more predictable though, non of the jekyll and hyde stuff of the haldex. Powering out of the roundabout the car will always generally behave in the same way, unlike the TT which sometimes understeers, and can sometimes oversteer.

Launching both cars and the RS4 always seems to get the better of the TT in the wet aswell, the rs4 seems drama free, whilst the TT the esp cuts in, which isnt noticeable at all, but you know its happening, because if you did that same launch with esp off all 4 wheels will spin. This could be cause by all the extra power ive added to that motor though. What also might be worth noting though is that even on moderate launches, with the rs4 you will smell some clutch, something I have never got with the TTRS, unless I do numerous back to back launches.

TBH I like both systems, if I had to choose one car for gravel and grass work though it would be the RS4.

I look forward to adding the haldex race controller to my car, it should get rid of any inconsistencies, and its said to make the haldex system react even quicker.

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