Vs Video: xDrive vs. Quattro

[PanterroR]

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[Human]

X-Drive IS better that Quattro....goes without saying actually


BMW X-Drive!

 

[DeDe]

Is Quattro really that useless?

 

[PanterroR]

And this is not new X3 vs. some 10yo Audi, it's new Q5...

OWNED!

 

[Human]

Is Quattro really that useless?

And this is not new X3 vs. some 10yo Audi, it's new Q5...

OWNED!

I rest my case

 

[south]

Best regards,
south

 

[MikeJ]

Is Quattro really that useless?

No. It just wasn't designed with BMW's X-Drive marketing gimmicks in mind.
That 'test' is something you'd never encounter on the public road.

 

[Human]

No. It just wasn't designed with BMW's X-Drive marketing gimmicks in mind.
That 'test' is something you'd never encounter on the public road.

Few years back the same test was done on a dyno test rig with a BMW 5 ser X-drive and a Audi A6 Quattro...same result X-Drive acts faster on wheel slip detection.

 

[footie]

It's a shame that there wasn't these rolls at the start of this test, then just may be the BMW would have looked better.

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Pure marketing gimmickry by BMW to promote x-drive as superior but in reality it's not nearly as good as quattro.

Here's the Q5 is real world conditions coping with things easily.

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[Dave1984]

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BMW marketing trick explained:

this video is all marketing. it is widely known that quattro fails when there is zero resistance. the only time you would ever be in such a situation is if the wheels were lifted off the ground. even on ice you have enough resistance that this situation would never occur.

bmw shows you the superiority of their system with a situation 99.999% of us would never actually see in the real world...

bmw = masters of marketing

if both rears are off the ground, x-drive can transfer all the tq to the fronts. quattro uses a torsen center diff and as such if one side is off the ground (or on rollers like this "test") then the diff acts like an open diff and sends more tq to the slipping wheel.

anybody whose ever had a quaife LSD knows this, but how often do we have wheels completely lifted off the ground?

from an objective point of view x-drive IS better than quattro in that you can transfer tq however you like. its all on the software. quattro being 100% mechanical acts only in the way that which it was designed.

What about this?

Pure marketing gimmickry by BMW to promote x-drive as superior but in reality it's not nearly as good as quattro.

Really? Latest xDrive sytems are said to be much more advanced than the first generations of xDrive.

 

[MoSs]

I've driven my sister in laws x5 many times before and it's not nearly as good as my s5, today it was raining allot here in Los Angeles and I was having a blast with my s5 just love how stable it is when it rains!

Edit: I remember once I was driving an x5 in Lebanon,and it was raining, I was going down hill and i had to make a turn, I can swear I was going slow, and when I hit the brakes the car started sliding and I lost control, I went straight on the mud, and the car stopped, I never experienced anything like that in an Audi, when it rains hard they slightly slide but nothing dangerous

 

[Mr Robert]

I don't think much of these type of testing of unrealistic situations and conditions. However, the xDrive system has proven itself on numerous occations in real world winter testing here in Sweden, and that is what matters.

 

[south]

What about this?

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Can't watch that video, what's the outcome?


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

Smart move on showing that last one because along with that video there was a link to this one.

 

[Mr Robert]

I think it is safe to say that VW is no longer the sole player in this field.

 

[JLBM]

That is REALLY embarrasing for Audi..

 

[martinbo]

In my experience these are nothing more than "produced-for-the-internet" demonstrations that are deliberately engineered to exploit the inherent weaknesses present in a particular AWD system.

Guys, it's common practice: not quite ambush marketing but underhanded all the same. Anyone can pull a fuse on a certain car and - with its traction control system disabled - the ability to grip a slippery surface is significantly diminished.

Take any such video "evidence" with a pinch of salt, from a mechanical perspective (let's leave out the electronics influence for now) even if you've got 3 limited slip diffs (2 axles and one centre) any AWD will succumb to a complete loss of traction and just spin wheels.

 

[south]

Take any such video "evidence" with a pinch of salt, from a mechanical perspective (let's leave out the electronics influence for now) even if you've got 3 limited slip diffs (2 axles and one centre) any AWD will succumb to a complete loss of traction and just spin wheels.

I might be wrong, but a speed-sensitive limited slip diff would still be able to transfer power to the 'other side', even at a complete loss of the one side, right? Which begs another question: Is there any AWD with a speed-sensitive layout?


Best regards,
south

 

[Human]

In my experience these are nothing more than "produced-for-the-internet" demonstrations that are deliberately engineered to exploit the inherent weaknesses present in a particular AWD system.

Guys, it's common practice: not quite ambush marketing but underhanded all the same. Anyone can pull a fuse on a certain car and - with its traction control system disabled - the ability to grip a slippery surface is significantly diminished.

Take any such video "evidence" with a pinch of salt, from a mechanical perspective (let's leave out the electronics influence for now) even if you've got 3 limited slip diffs (2 axles and one centre) any AWD will succumb to a complete loss of traction and just spin wheels.

Hey china, given you are THE expert on AWD systems you sound like a Blue Bull who's not playing in the Currie Cup finals this coming Saturday
I mean...did BMW tamper with the Q5's electronics? If so Audi AG could make this a legal matter. Quattro/Torson, I have nothing against it, but in my own experience (2006 X5 E53 vs Touareg in Fouriesburg) the X-Drive was reacting faster that the Touareg on slippery/gravel inclines

EDIT: In the 1st video posted by Tycoon it is a BMW X-Drive promotional day.

 

[Mr Robert]

The cars are not tampered with, only put in specific (strange) situations, known to make them fail.