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Autobild Sportscars Supertest - BMW M3 Touring Competition M xDrive

Air Temperature:
15c (sunny & dry)

Sachsenring Lap Time - 1:32,69
Vmax: 232,1 km/h
Maximum Lateral (G-Force) Acceleration - 1,52 g

-=Rival Lap Times at Sachsenring=-

McLaren Senna (2020) - 1:25,19
BMW M3 Competition xDrive (2022) - 1:32,13
BMW M4 Competition (2021) - 1:32,76
Mercedes-AMG E63 S T-Modell (2020) - 1:35,82
Audi RS 4 Competition Plus (2023) - 1:35,88
Audi RS 6 Avant (2020) - 1:36,38
Alpina B5 Touring (2020) - 1:36,71
Alpina B3 Touring (2022) - 1:37,42
Mercedes-AMG C63 S T-Modell (2015) - 1:38,57

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Power / Torque: 511 PS / 662 Nm

Acceleration (km/h):

0-50:
1,3
0-80: 2,4
0-100: 3,2
0-130: 5,1
0-180: 9,3
0-200: 11,6
0-250: 21,0

1/4 Mile: 11,30s

Top Speed (mfr. claim): 280 km/h

Slalom 18m: 74,0 km/h

Braking (km/h):

100-0(Cold):
33,7 m
100-0(Warm): 32,0 m
200-0(Warm): 125,6 m

Weight: 1,827 kg
Weight Distribution: 49/51%

Tire Brand: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 (*M-Race Track Package)
Tire Size: 275/35/19 | 285/30/20

Price: 117,850 €

Total Points (400): 302 pts

Driver: Guido Naumann

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Autobild Sportscars Test - Audi TT vs Cupra Born vs Hyundai Kona N vs Porsche 996 Targa vs Toyota GR86 vs VW Golf GTI

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Lausitzring Lap Time / Vmax:

Audi:
1:43,26 / 196,8 km/h
Cupra: 1:58,72 / 172,2 km/h
Hyundai: 1:41,60 / 206,5 km/h
Porsche: 1:50,56 / 200,9 km/h
Toyota: 1:46,67 / 209,9 km/h
VW: 1:43,02 / 201,9 km/h

Air Temperature: 12c (sunny & dry)

Ranking (5 Stars):

1. Toyota GR86:
4.8 / 5
2. VW Golf GTI - 4.6 / 5
3. Hyundai Kona N: 4.0 / 5
4. Porsche 911(996): 3.8 / 5
5. Audi TT: 3.4 / 5
6. Cupra Born: 2.6 / 5
 
Autobild Sportscars Test - Audi TT vs Cupra Born vs Hyundai Kona N vs Porsche 996 Targa vs Toyota GR86 vs VW Golf GTI

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Lausitzring Lap Time / Vmax:

Audi:
1:43,26 / 196,8 km/h
Cupra: 1:58,72 / 172,2 km/h
Hyundai: 1:41,60 / 206,5 km/h
Porsche: 1:50,56 / 200,9 km/h
Toyota: 1:46,67 / 209,9 km/h
VW: 1:43,02 / 201,9 km/h

Air Temperature: 12c (sunny & dry)

Ranking (5 Stars):

1. Toyota GR86:
4.8 / 5
2. VW Golf GTI - 4.6 / 5
3. Hyundai Kona N: 4.0 / 5
4. Porsche 911(996): 3.8 / 5
5. Audi TT: 3.4 / 5
6. Cupra Born: 2.6 / 5
Wow, all but the Cupra faster in the lap than the Porsche!, the evolution.....
The Hyundai faster than the TT, I can't believe
 
The M3 Touring must be one of the best family sports cars around. Its performance and track times are sensational
 
It's a phenomenal package for sure. I like the Audi RS6 just that little more!
The RS6 is like more of a car, also a dream machine.
I think it depends on what you feel or want to feel, more size or more engagement, sensations, but should drive the two to decide.
 
Wow, all but the Cupra faster in the lap than the Porsche!, the evolution.....
The Hyundai faster than the TT, I can't believe
That 996 was a private car, it was driven quite gently. ;)
 
Interesting test of the EQE53 AMG by C&D: Performance is close to the E63 S at lower speeds.

2023 Mercedes-AMG EQE Is a Car at a Crossroad
The EQE pulls off some impressive feats, but it's clear AMG is still figuring out exactly what it wants its future to be.

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There was a brief period of time when many people thought the EV revolution meant we'd be stuck with a future full of slow, uninspiring cars. If anything, the current march toward electrification has proven the opposite: Through the process of shoving a bunch of electrons through a wire like a Tokyo subway stuffer, humanity is sending 9000-pound affronts to God to 60 mph as quickly as some supercars. But now that everyone can do it, what makes a vehicle with impressive performance stats stand out?

That's the question that Mercedes-AMG and others are figuring out. The 2023 AMG EQE isn't Fast Mercedes's first crack at an answer, and it's far from the last. At its core, it retains AMG's mantra of shoving lots of power into otherwise "normal" cars. But beyond that, it feels like it's still hunting for that unique angle that'll help these fast, low-center-of-gravity EVs stand out from all the other fast, low-center-of-gravity EVs.

To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, we'll start with the AMG EQE's known knowns. A pair of motors produces 617 horsepower and 701 pound-feet of torque, rising to 677 and 738, respectively, when using the standard Dynamic Plus package's brief overboost function. With at least 70 percent in the battery (more on that later), we reached 60 mph in just 2.8 seconds, 0.4 second quicker than the manufacturer's estimate. The quarter-mile mark came and went in 11.2 seconds at 119 mph. Passing maneuvers are impressive too—30 to 50 mph required a scant 1.3 seconds, and 50 to 70 only took 1.7. Not bad for a car that weighs 5547 pounds.

HIGHS: Blistering performance, pricing undercuts gas equivalents, decent efficiency for modern muscle.

Of course, that weight comes back to bite. Even with the free-of-charge optional Pirelli P Zero PZ4 Elect tires (265 section width up front, 295 out back) and honkin' brakes (16.3 inches front, 14.9 rear), the AMG needed 168 feet to stop from 70 mph and 339 feet from 100 mph. That is not ideal for a performance car; hell, the 520-pound-heavier BMW i7 xDrive60 we tested managed to do a better job by nine and 21 feet, respectively. Three intermediary stages of brake regeneration are on offer—none, some, and more—while true one-pedal driving is locked behind an Intelligent regen mode that varies regen and physical braking based on proximity to traffic, which can be tricky to predict and thus doesn't instill a whole lot of trust; neither does the brake pedal in general, which moves in tune with regen strength, leading to inconsistent feel at various speeds and rates of deceleration.

The AMG EQE is a sufficiently deft handler for its mass. It achieved a solid 0.92 g on our 300-foot skidpad, exhibiting some mild understeer on its way 'round. In more real-world scenarios, we appreciate just how planted the EQE feels at all times. Standard rear-axle steering, which can turn up to 3.6 degrees, adds more precision to the AMG's cornering, but the car still feels more like a speedo-smashing hammer than a delicate lateral-g scalpel. The adaptive air springs offer three different levels of stiffness (Comfort, Sport, and Sport+), but we feel less of a difference between these modes than we do in comparable gas models; even at its most rigid, there's still an underlying hint of softness to the whole show.

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Hanging out under the floor is a battery with 90.6 kWh of usable capacity. Mercedes estimates total range at 225 miles, and the automaker's EV estimates are usually pretty accurate. It didn't come as a surprise, then, that our 75-mph highway test yielded a range of 230 miles. That's 40 miles less than we achieved in the vastly less powerful EQE350 4Matic.

Thankfully, if you had a little too much fun rearranging your organs with your right foot, changing vehicle modes can help you squeak out the juice needed to reach the next charger. The AMG EQE's full output is only available in the powertrain's Sport+ mode; Sport limits the motors to 90 percent, Comfort reduces it further to 80 percent, and Slippery pegs the car at half power. As with any electric powertrain, the maximum output also decreases as the battery loses charge; the EQE will keep track of your missing horsepower on the digital cluster's power gauge, which conveniently marks the "redline" as it lowers. When it comes time to charge, the AMG will accept up to 170 kW on a DC fast-charger, refilling from 10 percent to 80 in 32 minutes, according to Mercedes.

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On to the more polarizing stuff. Maybe you like the ovoid styling, maybe you don't. You can't deny that our EQE's specific 20-inch wheels are imposing, though, and the Panamericana-style front grille is the easiest way to spot the AMG at a distance. The interior is barely any different from the more pedestrian EQE, save for some Affalterbach-themed bits. The dash-spanning 56.0-inch Hyperscreen is absent from our car, but we don't miss it; the wood trim that replaces it looks and feels nice, and it doesn't accumulate fingerprint oils at a depressing rate. Wireless smartphone mirroring is standard no matter what, and that's what most people care about anyway.

LOWS: None of the EV sounds are particularly good, looks like a wet egg, feels like AMG is still finding its footing in new era.
As equipped, our EQE includes two sound profiles, the default profile and the Performance one that comes with Dynamic Plus. If you like futuristic wub-wub noises, have at it. But to our ears, the default mode sounds like added wind noise, while Performance generates something closer to added tire noise. Each profile has three different levels of loudness, ranging from "you can barely hear it" to "somehow, the Germans engineered drone into an EV." We say turn it all off and listen to the actual tires.

The AMG EQE before us rings in at $110,150, a small bump over its $108,050 base price, thanks to a $250 110-volt charging cable, the $750 Night package that blacks out the exterior trim, and the $1100 Acoustic Comfort package that aims to mitigate interior noise. Strangely enough, this number is a bit of a bargain, considering the soon-to-be-discontinued AMG E63 S 4Matic+ starts a few thousand bucks higher.

Despite that sense of throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, there's one hell of a performance car comprising the underlying current of the 2023 Mercedes-AMG EQE. It's mighty quick, it can make a lot of noise, and it's fun to chuck around without being a discombobulated mess in daily driving.

Being offered an overwhelming amount of driver choice is a bit of an existential issue for AMG, and it's only deepened as electrification takes hold. In addition to the four standard vehicle modes, an Individual mode lets you choose among four powertrain settings, three suspension settings, and three e-noise volumes—36 distinct combinations. And this is in addition to the myriad screen layouts, ambient lighting scenes, brake-regeneration strengths, you name it. How can an AMG vehicle have a distinct feeling if you get into five different EQEs and they all feel vastly different from one another?

Perhaps it's in this glut of choice where AMG's future lies. Let Affalterbach set the meter, but it's up to each driver to fill in the specific notes. For the time being, as everyone finds their footing in this burgeoning era, that'll do.

Specifications

Mercedes-AMG EQE 4Matic+
Vehicle Type: front- and mid-motor, all-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
PRICE
Base/As Tested: $108,050/$110,150
Options: Acoustic Comfort package, $1100; AMG Night package, $750; 110V charging cable, $250
POWERTRAIN
Front Motor: permanent-magnet synchronous AC
Mid Motor: permanent-magnet synchronous AC
Combined Power: 677 hp
Combined Torque: 738 lb-ft
Battery Pack: liquid-cooled lithium-ion, 90.6 kWh
Onboard Charger: 9.6 kW
Peak DC Fast-Charge Rate: 170 kW
Transmissions: direct-drive
CHASSIS
Suspension, F/R: multilink/multilink
Brakes, F/R: 16.3-in vented disc/14.9-in vented disc
Tires: Pirelli P Zero PZ4 Elect PNCS
F: 265/40ZR-20 104W MO1
R: 295/35ZR-20 105W MO1
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase: 122.8 in
Length: 196.9 in
Width: 75.0 in
Height: 58.8 in
Passenger Volume: 104 ft3
Trunk Volume: 15 ft3
Curb Weight: 5547 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 2.8 sec
100 mph: 7.4 sec
1/4-Mile: 11.2 sec @ 119 mph
130 mph: 14.3 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.2 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 3.1 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 1.3 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 1.7 sec
Top Speed (gov ltd): 146 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 168 ft
Braking, 100–0 mph: 339 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.92 g
C/D FUEL ECONOMY AND CHARGING
Observed: 65 MPGe
75-mph Highway Driving: 77 MPGe
75-mph Highway Range: 230 mi

EPA FUEL ECONOMY
Combined/City/Highway: 74/74/73 MPGe
Range: 225 mi
 
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AutoBild: Mercedes-AMG C63 S E-Performance T-model (vs. M3 Touring)
  • Power: 680 PS (system) (M3: 510 PS)
  • Torque: 1020 Nm (system) (M3: 650 Nm)
  • Tyres: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S M01 (M3: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S)
  • Weight: 2180 kg :eek: (M3: 1854 kg)
  • 0 - 50 km/h: 1,4 s (M3: 1,3 s)
  • 0-100 km/h: 3,4 s (M3: 3,3 s)
  • 0-160 km/h: 7,5 s (M3: 7,4 s)
  • 0-200 km/h: 12,4 s (M3: 11,9 s)
  • 0-250 km/h: 23,6 s (M3: 21,8 s)
  • Braking (100-0 km/h, warm): 32,9 m (M3: 32,9 m)
  • Braking (200-0 km/h, warm): 129,0 m (M3: 125,4 m)
  • Avg. fuel consumption: 10,0 l/100 km (M3: 11,9 l/100 km)
  • Contidrom laptime: 1:32,47 min (M3: 1:30,68 min)
 
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AutoBild: Mercedes-AMG C63 S E-Performance T-model (vs. M3 Touring)
  • Power: 680 PS (system) (M3: 510 PS)
  • Torque: 1020 Nm (system) (M3: 650 Nm)
  • Tyres: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S M01 (M3: Michelin Pilot Sport 4S)
  • Weight: 2180 kg :eek: (M3: 1854 kg)
  • 0 - 50 km/h: 1,4 s (M3: 1,3 s)
  • 0-100 km/h: 3,4 s (M3: 3,3 s)
  • 0-160 km/h: 7,5 s (M3: 7,4 s)
  • 0-200 km/h: 12,4 s (M3: 11,9 s)
  • 0-250 km/h: 23,6 s (M3: 21,8 s)
  • Braking (100-0 km/h, warm): 32,9 m (M3: 32,9 m)
  • Braking (200-0 km/h, warm): 129,0 m (M3: 125,4 m)
  • Avg. fuel consumption: 10,0 l/100 km (M3: 11,9 l/100 km)
  • Contidrom laptime: 1:32,47 min (M3: 1:30,68 min)
Wait...with all that power and torque advantage, the Merc is still slower to 250 km/h? And by some margin too. I'd at least expect the M3 to be quicker below 100 with a hefty weight advantage but beyond 200 should be a different story. Maybe not the healthiest of Mercs???

Or these M3's are actually putting down closer to 600hp 🤷‍♂️
 
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Auto Motor und Sport: AMG SL63 vs BMW M8 Comp. Cabrio vs Porsche 911 Turbo Cabrio
  • Weight: 1947 / 1960 / 1727 kg
  • 0-100 km/h: 3,5 s / 3,3 s / 2,9 s
  • 0-200 km/h: 11,9 s / 10,9 s / 10,3 s
  • 0-280 km/h: 31,1 s / 25,5 s / 26,7
  • 400 m: 11,5 s / 11,2 s / 10,9 s
  • 100-0 km/h (warm): 32,1 m / 33,7 m / 32,7 m
  • 18 m slalom: 69,6 km/h / 68,4 km/h / 70,7 km/h
  • 110 m evasive test: 140,9 km/h / 139,4 km/h / 147,8 km/h
 
Rimac Nevera Sets 23 Records, Including 0-60 MPH And 0-249-0 MPH
All records were broken on the same day.

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he Rimac Nevera continues to break records as the electric hypercar had an eventful day on a test track in Germany. It managed to take down no fewer than 23 records on the same day at the Automotive Testing Papenburg (ATP) facility where it made the most out of the 4-kilometer (2.49-mile) straights. Representatives from Dewesoft and RaceLogic were on location to independently verify the times and confirm the car was quicker than advertised.


Fitted with road-legal Michelin Cup 2 R tires, the Nevera managed to hit 60 mph in only 1.74 seconds, thus beating the official time of 1.85 seconds quoted by Rimac. It should be mentioned the sprint was not done from a standstill as the run took into consideration a one-foot rollout. The Croatian marque wishes to point out the surface was not specially prepared for the test.

he Rimac Nevera continues to break records as the electric hypercar had an eventful day on a test track in Germany. It managed to take down no fewer than 23 records on the same day at the Automotive Testing Papenburg (ATP) facility where it made the most out of the 4-kilometer (2.49-mile) straights. Representatives from Dewesoft and RaceLogic were on location to independently verify the times and confirm the car was quicker than advertised.


Fitted with road-legal Michelin Cup 2 R tires, the Nevera managed to hit 60 mph in only 1.74 seconds, thus beating the official time of 1.85 seconds quoted by Rimac. It should be mentioned the sprint was not done from a standstill as the run took into consideration a one-foot rollout. The Croatian marque wishes to point out the surface was not specially prepared for the test.

Records aside, the Nevera wore a special livery as a nod to the Mate Rimac's very own BMW e-M3, a fully electric 1984 3 Series E30 that set more than a few records in 2012. Fast forward 11 years later, the company's founder is happy to say the new hypercar can hit 249 mph (400 km/h) and return to 0 quicker than a McLaren F1 reaches 217 mph (350 km/h).

TestsRacelogic (seconds)Dewesoft (seconds)
0-60 mph1.741.74
0-100 km/h1.821.81
0-200 km/h4.424.42
0-300 km/h9.239.22
0-400 km/h21.3221.31
100-200 km/h2.592.59
200-300 km/h4.814.79
200-250 km/h2.002.00
0-100-0 km/h4.033.99
0-200-0 km/h8.858.86
0-300-0 km/h15.6815.70
0-400-0 km/h29.9429.93
1/4 mile8.268.25
1/8 mile5.465.44
1/2 mile12.8212.83
Standing mile20.6220.59
0-100 mph3.233.21
0-120 mph4.194.19
0-130 mph4.744.75
0-250 mph21.8921.86
60-130 mph2.992.99
0-200 mph10.8610.86
In addition to the 22 records mentioned above, the Rimac Nevera also set a new record for the shortest distance needed to stop from 62 mph (100 km/h). It came to a halt in 29.12 meters (95.53 feet) as measured by Racelogic or 28.96 meters (95 feet) as verified by Dewesoft.

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Rimac Nevera Sets 23 Records, Including 0-60 MPH And 0-249-0 MPH
All records were broken on the same day.

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he Rimac Nevera continues to break records as the electric hypercar had an eventful day on a test track in Germany. It managed to take down no fewer than 23 records on the same day at the Automotive Testing Papenburg (ATP) facility where it made the most out of the 4-kilometer (2.49-mile) straights. Representatives from Dewesoft and RaceLogic were on location to independently verify the times and confirm the car was quicker than advertised.


Fitted with road-legal Michelin Cup 2 R tires, the Nevera managed to hit 60 mph in only 1.74 seconds, thus beating the official time of 1.85 seconds quoted by Rimac. It should be mentioned the sprint was not done from a standstill as the run took into consideration a one-foot rollout. The Croatian marque wishes to point out the surface was not specially prepared for the test.

he Rimac Nevera continues to break records as the electric hypercar had an eventful day on a test track in Germany. It managed to take down no fewer than 23 records on the same day at the Automotive Testing Papenburg (ATP) facility where it made the most out of the 4-kilometer (2.49-mile) straights. Representatives from Dewesoft and RaceLogic were on location to independently verify the times and confirm the car was quicker than advertised.


Fitted with road-legal Michelin Cup 2 R tires, the Nevera managed to hit 60 mph in only 1.74 seconds, thus beating the official time of 1.85 seconds quoted by Rimac. It should be mentioned the sprint was not done from a standstill as the run took into consideration a one-foot rollout. The Croatian marque wishes to point out the surface was not specially prepared for the test.

Records aside, the Nevera wore a special livery as a nod to the Mate Rimac's very own BMW e-M3, a fully electric 1984 3 Series E30 that set more than a few records in 2012. Fast forward 11 years later, the company's founder is happy to say the new hypercar can hit 249 mph (400 km/h) and return to 0 quicker than a McLaren F1 reaches 217 mph (350 km/h).

TestsRacelogic (seconds)Dewesoft (seconds)
0-60 mph1.741.74
0-100 km/h1.821.81
0-200 km/h4.424.42
0-300 km/h9.239.22
0-400 km/h21.3221.31
100-200 km/h2.592.59
200-300 km/h4.814.79
200-250 km/h2.002.00
0-100-0 km/h4.033.99
0-200-0 km/h8.858.86
0-300-0 km/h15.6815.70
0-400-0 km/h29.9429.93
1/4 mile8.268.25
1/8 mile5.465.44
1/2 mile12.8212.83
Standing mile20.6220.59
0-100 mph3.233.21
0-120 mph4.194.19
0-130 mph4.744.75
0-250 mph21.8921.86
60-130 mph2.992.99
0-200 mph10.8610.86
In addition to the 22 records mentioned above, the Rimac Nevera also set a new record for the shortest distance needed to stop from 62 mph (100 km/h). It came to a halt in 29.12 meters (95.53 feet) as measured by Racelogic or 28.96 meters (95 feet) as verified by Dewesoft.

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"0-200 mph10.86"

Goodnight Godbless knocked them out LOL!
 
"0-200 mph10.86"

Goodnight Godbless knocked them out LOL!
This car has ripped the table cloth under all those Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche and Mclaren crockery and pulled the middle finger as well. It is jaw dropping fast. I guess it will probably be faster than most passenger airlines from 0-200mph and possibly fighter jets like M16 etc.
 

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