Model Y Tesla Model Y

The Tesla Model Y is a battery electric compact crossover SUV produced by Tesla, Inc. since 2020. The vehicle was presented in March 2019 as the company's fifth production model since its inception after the Roadster, Model S, Model X, and Model 3.
The strategy is there. Different times. Kudos for Tesla for doing the right thing: Keeping the prices where they should be.

With all this "oh , we have inflation. But why? Because we want to" things going on lately , things like this bring a smile on my face.

After seeing BMW asking 200k for a worse X6 ( XM ) , and MB asking WAY over 220k for the S63AMG ( a car that was starting at around 160k with the last gen ) , let's be happy that there are manufacturers that still do the right thing

PS: NOT comparing Tesla with MB/BMW/etc. I'm just comparing the price modifications that they do lately, WITH 0 justification.

Firstly, zero justification is false or ignorant. Costs objectively have increased, and this isn't based on news reports or opinion, it's based on purchase orders, invoices and costings on my desk.

Secondly, you're comparing opposite ends of the market, the pricing of an XM Label Red or S63 likely reflects what that tiny end of the market will pay - the significant increase in the wealth of the wealthy that has seen record sales profits for premium brands means of course they're going to charge more.

The Model T was about the opposite of that, it was about driving affordability. I'm all for accessible mobility, I'd also applaud Tesla for genuinely bringing prices down (unless it's not sustainable), but they're not, they're coming down market price wise so that people that can already afford a new car buy their car instead. That's not increasing affordability of the market, it's just about trying to stop falling market share.

In fact it's exactly what they do. Just check the new prices of the Model Y in the US.


.. and that's just EV's. There's a significant selection of cars that are cheaper if you just want a new car, rather than specifically a BEV.
 
If you’re telling me that those MASSIVE REVENUE that all German manufacturers had last year is “due to inflation” and not because of the absolutely horrible and discusting raising of the prices, you are trully blind.

I did post the S63 as an example,because last gen S class, W222 , I wanted it to be AMG, and I know the price well,because I had it in my face.Brand new , nice spec, around 180k. Now that car is 240k.

Give me a break with this “inflation” bullsh*t. If there was any,they would not have those profits.

The inflation is on us,not them.

Kudos to Tesla,again,to lowering the price.Marketing crap? High inventory? Low sales?

I DON’T GIVE A DAMN! Just sell me a car at a resonable price!
Firstly, zero justification is false or ignorant. Costs objectively have increased, and this isn't based on news reports or opinion, it's based on purchase orders, invoices and costings on my desk.
 
If you’re telling me that those MASSIVE REVENUE that all German manufacturers had last year is “due to inflation” and not because of the absolutely horrible and discusting raising of the prices, you are trully blind.

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Be honest, you didn't read my post did you.
 
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Be honest, you didn't read my post did you.
The thing is , I did . And you did also . But you are purposefully ignoring what I really meant to say. And act like you don't understand what I am trying to say.

As a CEO of my company , I can say that when the profit/net income is higher , but the revenue is similar , inflation is pretty much bullsh*t , when you are the "first hand" . Wages have not increased on par with inflation. Chinese parts have not "exploded" like most say , or at least , not on par with inflation( I only do chinese imports) . So , where is that massive income coming from? Cost cuting?

Give me a break...
 
The thing is , I did . And you did also . But you are purposefully ignoring what I really meant to say. And act like you don't understand what I am trying to say.

As a CEO of my company , I can say that when the profit/net income is higher , but the revenue is similar , inflation is pretty much bullsh*t , when you are the "first hand" . Wages have not increased on par with inflation. Chinese parts have not "exploded" like most say , or at least , not on par with inflation( I only do chinese imports) . So , where is that massive income coming from? Cost cuting?

Give me a break...

Okay...

So... Tesla, Q1 results.

"$23.33 billion vs $23.21 billion expected, according to Refinitiv estimates"
"Tesla said net income fell 24% to $2.51 billion, or 73 cents a share, from $3.32 billion, or 95 cents a share, a year ago"

That's 0.5% change in revenue... 24% fall in profit.

So when you say "I can say that when the profit/net income is higher , but the revenue is similar , inflation is pretty much bullsh*t".. what do you say when profit/income is lower, but the revenue is similar?

... and bare in mind, Tesla cite the following reasons for falling profit:

Underutilization of new factories
Stressed margins
Higher raw material, commodity, logistics and warranty costs
Lower revenue from environmental credits

... some interesting points there, but they're citing higher costs for materials, commodities, and logistics. So yes, Tesla agree with me... costs are going up.

And then there's actual inflation... according to Space Karen, "Every time that the Fed raises interest rates, that’s the equivalent to an increase in the price of a car." ... with interest climbing, according to Musk, the price of the car goes up.

I'm happy the cost of your Chinese imports has fallen, but you have your head up your arse if you think everyone saying prices are going up is lying.

... and I'll reiterate, I never said that was actually the reason for the margins being sought on XM's and S63's. They're charging what they can get away with because it's that end of the market - If they're now too expensive for you, maybe you should put your prices up - but in general the cost of car manufacturing is going up, so of course it's natural to put the prices up.

Tesla might not be doing that, for now Elon says he wants the volume, not the profit. Kudos to them? Maybe, but just because they're not doing it, doesn't mean it's not justified.
 
I'm not even going to quote your absolute stupid reply , because , AGAIN , you are purposefully ignoring what I wrote in the last posts.

Our discussion WAS about EU manufacturers growing the prices to the cars just to get as much profit as they can , and I ( and others ) salute Tesla that is the ONLY one getting the prices DOWN , facilitating US , the CLIENTS , and you keep writing bullsh*t like "oh look at the Space Karen , he is getting the price down because....because....because....wait , I don't have a good reason to keep hating"

I will write this one last time , even though I am 100% sure that you understand in the first post what I mean , but you gotta keep hating:


TESLA PRICE DOWN - > GOOD FOR US

ANY CAR PRICE DOWN -> GOOD FOR US

EU MANUFACTURERS PRICE UP -> BAD FOR US

HOW TESLA KEEPS PRICE DOWN? WE DON'T GIVE A DAMN !

MB/BMW/TESLA/VW/etc. DON'T MAKE INCOME ? WE DON'T GIVE A DAMN !

And I repeat , what I meant to say in the first place , for the sake of things : KUDOS TO TESLA FOR LOWERING THE PRICES , F**K MB/BMW/VW/etc. FOR INCREASING THE PRICES just for cash grabs . And as long as Tesla can still make profit , after this lowering, I am pretty sure that MB/BMW/VW can lower those absolutely discusting profits that they made in the last years .

And the only reason why they do this it's simple as heck : SUPPLY AND DEMAND. As long as stupids act like "oh , I need a brand new car , right now. Imma pay over sticker just to have it right now.Because I can't drive my old car one more year because....who knows why" , still buy them , they will cash-grab all they can.

But , by the end of the year , I am happy in some sort : Dudes like you will get cash-ripped because you support the "legacy car makers" and hating new-comers. And us , the other dudes that just want a car that we can drive daily , at a fair price, can use that money on other things

This is my last reply to this nonsense. Keep it your way.

Yea , Tesla is bull***t. That's why Model Y is the best selling car (EV+ICE) in EU in Q1....Hahaha. Oh , the legacy makers have "chip issues". Yea , right.....

Enjoy your day , lad.
 

April 21, 2023 04:24 AM

Musk's price cuts show challenge for Tesla's product strategy, Ford CEO says

Tesla's best-selling Model Y faces a range of newer rivals in China and other markets, Jim Farley said.

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Ford CEO Jim Farley said his automaker is seeking to match Tesla's agility. Farley is pictured during a press conference announcing that Ford will will partner with Amperex Technology to build a battery plant in Marshall, Michigan.

DETROIT -- Tesla's decision to cut prices to drive up sales volume reflects the pressure it faces from competition and an aging product lineup, Ford CEO Jim Farley said.

Farley said Tesla's price cuts underscore intense competition in the two-row crossover or SUV segment of the auto market, where Tesla's best-selling Model Y faces a range of newer rivals in China and other markets.

Ford, he said, would focus on less-crowded segments such as pickups and vans.

But Tesla's ability to adjust prices quickly, and its "reductive" focus on squeezing costs out is a competitive advantage, and other automakers would have to follow its lead in cutting prices, Farley said.

Tesla's share price dropped almost 10 percent on Thursday, cutting more than $50 billion from its market value, after Musk said the company would discount as needed to drive up demand.

"Honestly, anyone surprised at this, I do not understand," Farley told reporters, speaking on the sidelines of a charity event on Thursday evening in Detroit.

"You have to be able to respond quickly" to Tesla's strategy, he said. "That agility he is building is super important for everyone."

Farley said Ford was moving quickly to have a second-generation electric vehicles ready since the pace of product overhauls is happening far faster pace with EVs than with other cars.

"We used to think we would have a model year," Farley said. "Now with Model e, four times a year we have a model year," he said in reference to the pace of change for electric vehicles.

Musk said this week that Tesla would be able to cut prices now - even potentially to zero profit - and earn more later on software and services when it has technology available that allows for autonomous driving.

Many analysts are skeptical about that projection.

Tesla is readying a new version of the Model Y, code-named Juniper, but has not disclosed details. Since January, Tesla has cut the price of the long-range version of the Model Y by $13,000 in the U.S. market.

Although Tesla pushes frequent software updates to customers, the Model Y has not had a major, visible redesign since its first deliveries in 2020.
"I think what he is going to learn is that product freshness matters a lot," Farley said of Musk.

Ford's own history has a cautionary note for Musk, who appears to be modeling the Tesla playbook on what Henry Ford did, Farley said.
Ford drove down costs for the Model T and created a mass market with production innovation. But it failed to respond to customer demands and new competition, with Henry Ford famously insisting the only color available would be black.

"You could have had red or green, but it took them 10 years," Farley said.
 
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Tesla Q1 2023 Earnings Call Showed Why Elon Musk Needs FSD to Work
24 Apr 2023, 14:55 UTC• By:
Gustavo Henrique Ruffo
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When the Tesla Q1 2023 earnings call was immediately followed by a 7% stock price slide, its investors and advocates either pretended to be surprised or really failed to grasp why that happened. The answer is that the successive price reductions the company performed did not provoke the desired effects and caused some negative ones. However, it probably has to do even more with what Elon Musk said and how he dealt with these effects in the event.

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First, Tesla's narrative of infinite demand was definitely put to rest. The company lowered prices for its vehicles six times since January, which did not make it deliver or produce many more cars. The BEV maker built 439,701 vehicles in Q4 2022 and only 440,808 in Q1 2023. With two new factories scaling up and everyone supposedly wanting to buy a Tesla, only 1,107 more cars do not confirm that is the case.

As you may remember from my analysis when Q1 2023 numbers were out, Tesla is yet to sell 84,583 vehicles, considering the balance between what it produced and delivered since 2018. Dan Levy analyzed the last three quarters and came up with more conservative numbers: he wrote for Barclays that Tesla made around 75,000 more vehicles than it sold in this period. The precise figure is 74,449 BEVs. That's relevant because it shows most of the production excess occurred in the last nine months.

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It is also crucial to note that this is the number of vehicles yet to sell after the increase in deliveries from 405,278 in Q4 2022 to 422,875 in Q1 2023 was computed. In other words, Tesla delivered 17,597 BEVs more than it did in Q4 2022 but produced only 1,107 more than in the previous quarter. And it still had an inventory that its own numbers suggest to be higher than 74,449 vehicles. If demand were not an issue, the BEV maker could have handed more than 500,000 cars to customers, especially with six discount rounds, one right after the other.

Still trying to deny the obvious problem, Musk tweeted an explanation for that subject that initially looked like a mockery. The Tesla CEO said that "demand at scale is limited by affordability." His advocates took that as a touch of his genius, even if that is just elementary: cheaper cars will naturally appeal to more people.

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The issue is that Tesla achieved high-scale sales without that concern with price reduction. It was right the opposite. The company promised to sell the Model 3 for $35,000, and it only briefly had a derivative for that price. That never prevented the company from selling thousands of units of the electric sedan because people wanted it regardless of the cost. If affordability were the only component to drive a larger sales scale, the Nissan Kicks would sell more than the Toyota RAV4 in the US. It is right the opposite: for each Kicks sold in the American market, people bought almost eight RAV4s (7.3, to be precise).

To add insult to injury, Musk also tweeted that "there is plenty of demand" for Tesla's products, "but if the price is more money than people have, that demand is irrelevant." Rolls-Royce and Ferrari could say the same thing: if they offered their vehicles for $30,000 or even less, they would sell millions of cars every year. The difference is that neither carmaker has ever lowered their prices. Yet, they still have plenty of customers interested in purchasing their goods. Tesla doesn't, at least not in the market segments where it sells cars. Lowering prices is an artificial attempt to play in lower segments where Tesla does not compete. What investors and analysts tried to ask Musk at the earnings call was: at what cost?

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The BEV maker claims to have one of the highest profit margins in the industry. When it cut prices, it was forced to acknowledge that these gains were reduced. For Musk, that does not matter: his company "could sell for zero profit for now and then yield actually tremendous economics in the future through autonomy." He also said he didn't know how many would "appreciate the profundity" of these words but that it was "extremely significant."

Indeed: Musk believes Tesla can operate with no profits while waiting for Full Self-Driving (FSD) to turn its vehicles into appreciating assets. This is why Tesla shares melted down after the earnings call. They are 11.4% lower in the last five days. For the record, the Tesla CEO said the BEV maker would have 1 million robotaxis on the road by 2020.

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Several autonomous driving specialists have already said that it is impossible for the company's current BEVs to be "fully self-driving" with the hardware they have. Tesla seems to agree with that by releasing HW 4.0, and stating it is not compatible with older cars. Although Musk still states that HW 3.0 should be capable of achieving full autonomy, he said the same about HW 2.5. To make matters worse, a 2016 video of an Autopilot drive was edited to make it look like the car drove itself with no disengagements. It didn't. The video also had the following disclaimer: "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself." That was also not true. Bloomberg revealed that Musk dictated this text.

The Tesla CEO's biggest profitability argument is also the BEV maker's worst mistake. Instead of investing in new products and renovating the current ones, the company bet on a revenue stream for a feature that is still under development. Achieving production status for it was and still is wishful thinking. Musk was pretty close to admitting on the earnings call that Tesla's current market cap depends entirely on achieving full autonomy. To be honest, he already did that in June 2022, when he said the company was "worth basically zero" without its autonomous driving software.

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Photo: Elon Musk/Delaware Court of Chancery

This stubbornness in following this path is what prevented the BEV maker from admitting it is a car company and that it should behave as one, not like an energy enterprise that also sells computers on wheels. Tesla's strategy of trying to make its vehicles more attractive through over-the-air (OTA) updates has already led customers to complain that the user interface is constantly changing without warning. In other words, Tesla's tech industry approach to the automotive business is backfiring.

One of the company's greatest assets (more profitability per car than its competitors) is going down the drain with these successive price cuts. The goal of increasing sales is also hurt by that strategy: nobody wants to be the fool who bought a car that got cheaper just a while later. Most will prefer to wait and see how much more affordable these BEVs will get. In China, those who did not have that option carried out aggressive protests that vandalized some Tesla Service Centers. That said, Tesla's dynamic pricing policy made investors and customers furious and cautious. Only Musk and those who invested everything they had in the BEV maker's shares can hope that promising to reach full autonomy this year will fix that. They need that to be true.

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For everybody else, even the most optimistic investors must recognize that the price cuts were enough only for Tesla to keep production and sales volumes similar to what they were in the previous quarter, not to significantly increase them. For a company that aims to grow 50% every year, that's bad news. Some investors even decided to send an open letter to Robyn Denholm urging the Tesla chairwoman to take measures to protect the company. One of these measures would be removing directors tied to Musk to prevent mismanagement.

That said, Tesla has not started a price war, as some outlets claimed it did. Most car companies have already noticed that these price reductions are not a strategy: they are a dangerous and unsustainable way to maintain production as high as possible. Ironically, Tesla could have kept them strong if it had maintained its lineup fresh and expanded it, ensured service levels would remain at a high standard, and invested in quality control… In other words, if it offered better products and a better experience with them, as any successful business would. None of the ones still on their feet depended on promises to thrive.
 
Some legit points, but that article is clearly written by a hater. No mention of price cuts from Ford, BYD or anyone else?
That's also a pretty healthy increase in production, quarter to quarter.
 

"South Pasadena First to Adopt Entire Tesla Model Y Police Fleet

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The South Pasadena Police Department is set to become the first law enforcement agency in the United States to convert its entire fleet of vehicles to electric, announced the city on Monday.

The change is made possible through nearly $500,000 in clean transportation funding provided by the Mobile Source Air Pollution Reduction Review Committee (MSRC), along with significant investments from Southern California Edison’s Charge Ready program and the South Pasadena City Council.

Officials have confirmed that the city will purchase 10 Tesla Model Y patrol vehicles as part of the transition. To address infrastructure needs, nine police-dedicated Level II electric vehicle chargers and one Level III charger will also be installed, reports the Pasadena Star-News. The Model Y has become a popular EV for police departments globally.

The Tesla Model Y starts at $47,240 for the entry AWD, while the Dual Motor version ramps up to $50,240. California is one of Tesla’s biggest markets and Tesla vehicles are seemingly everywhere.

South Pasadena Councilmember Michael Cacciotti emphasized that the project aligns with the city’s Climate Action Plan and will equip officers with cutting-edge public safety vehicle technology.

“We will be putting our officers in the safest and most effective police vehicles on the market,” Cacciotti stated. He added that the project will not only help reduce harmful vehicle emissions and improve air quality for residents but also serve as a model for other jurisdictions. “We can build a 21st-century police force, save significant resources, and clean the air at the same time.”

In September 2022, the City Council voted in favor of the switch as the current public safety vehicle fleet had reached the end of its useful service life. South Pasadena has since collaborated with the MSRC and Southern California Edison to bring this initiative to fruition."

Very interesting.
 
Well done to Novitec for diversifying. Hundreds of thousands of Model Y have been sold. That’s a big pool of potential customers.
 
Tesla Model Y was world's best-selling car in Q1
The premium midsize SUV beat the Toyota Corolla for the title with 267,171 Model Ys sold in the first quarter.


 
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