Super SUV Test: ML63 Versus THE REST!!!

[fortuner]

Well the old ml versus new and old x5 versus new


well on the ml major difference ,i owned the old fiesel 270 and now i own the 320cdi

well the design exterior is different from old the interior is totally different no simalaraties

and the drive and handling is way way ahead off the old


the old ml compared to the new is like 20 years behind...

well merc needed the ml to improve a lot becauze the last ml was poor,,i can say it for shure was 1 merc i never enjoyed........



x5

well my cousin owned the old x5 diesel and now owns the new x5 diesel

well when i see them from outside they very similar,,frount more roinder now,side very same slight slight change ,,rear lights different but sameish

interior well the gearknob is different

the display for i drive is there which wasnt and a large piece off wood in font off passenger ,,not really much different

the cubby in the x5,,is a shame


ok so old x5 was better then old ml

the new ml is imo better then the x5

the new to old ml is a big change in allareas

the new to old x5 is more a major facelift

these ae my opinions,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[mercmad]

^^
Exactly

 

[hazza79]

Great SUV's to have! V8 or TDI is a must (depends on the car). But, I think 5 sec acceleration is the last thing that a Jeep would need, you know, it should concentrate as a purposeful 4wd or maybe spending more effort on the "macho" appeal.

It's almost the same case with "Made in Australia" Ford performance SUV, these cars are impressively fast, but there is no comparison against its European rivals' knowhow.

Only one explanation left (pioneered by BMW), 4WD market is yesterday's story, Fast SUV market is going strong!

Read this article but let me warn that you will laugh your head off:
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[LaArtist]

Well the old ml versus new and old x5 versus new


well on the ml major difference ,i owned the old fiesel 270 and now i own the 320cdi

well the design exterior is different from old the interior is totally different no simalaraties

and the drive and handling is way way ahead off the old


the old ml compared to the new is like 20 years behind...

well merc needed the ml to improve a lot becauze the last ml was poor,,i can say it for shure was 1 merc i never enjoyed........



x5

well my cousin owned the old x5 diesel and now owns the new x5 diesel

well when i see them from outside they very similar,,frount more roinder now,side very same slight slight change ,,rear lights different but sameish

interior well the gearknob is different

the display for i drive is there which wasnt and a large piece off wood in font off passenger ,,not really much different

the cubby in the x5,,is a shame


ok so old x5 was better then old ml

the new ml is imo better then the x5

the new to old ml is a big change in allareas

the new to old x5 is more a major facelift

these ae my opinions,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

thank you.. take it from someone who has experienced both cars

 

[cawimmer430]

I'd like to add that both the ML and X5 excel at different things. Magazines and editors might compare them to each other, but they were designed with different ideals in mind - and different customers as well. These arguments about which SUV is "better" are silly and childish.

 

[Zafiro]

thank you.. take it from someone who has experienced both cars

I know people that own both ML and X5 as well, some went for X5, others went for the ML. That's Fortune opinion, obvious everyone dont agree with him cause then everyone would buy the ML. Simply as that.

 

[martinbo]

In my opinion the ML is the better sport utility vehicle when comparing non-performance (read AMG) oriented models. In fairness, BMW haven't shown the X5 M-derivative so we're not comparing apples with apples.

The ML63 is severly compromised off tarmac whereas standard MLs are actually quite adept at handling the rough stuff.

In this company it's down to two uber-SUVs: the Cayenne Turbo and the ML63. Heads or tails...

 

[Imhotep Evil]

Well the old ml versus new and old x5 versus new


well on the ml major difference ,i owned the old fiesel 270 and now i own the 320cdi

well the design exterior is different from old the interior is totally different no simalaraties

and the drive and handling is way way ahead off the old


the old ml compared to the new is like 20 years behind...

well merc needed the ml to improve a lot becauze the last ml was poor,,i can say it for shure was 1 merc i never enjoyed........



x5

well my cousin owned the old x5 diesel and now owns the new x5 diesel

well when i see them from outside they very similar,,frount more roinder now,side very same slight slight change ,,rear lights different but sameish

interior well the gearknob is different

the display for i drive is there which wasnt and a large piece off wood in font off passenger ,,not really much different

the cubby in the x5,,is a shame


ok so old x5 was better then old ml

the new ml is imo better then the x5

the new to old ml is a big change in allareas

the new to old x5 is more a major facelift

these ae my opinions,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I disagree that the new ML is better than the new X5, aside from off road capabilities witch are of no importance to 90%+ of buyers.

The new X5 is not a FL, it's a completly new car made to feel/resemble a FL. But platform, chassi, body panels, suspensions, etc. are all new.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

In my opinion the ML is the better sport utility vehicle when comparing non-performance (read AMG) oriented models. In fairness, BMW haven't shown the X5 M-derivative so we're not comparing apples with apples.

The ML63 is severly compromised off tarmac whereas standard MLs are actually quite adept at handling the rough stuff.

In this company it's down to two uber-SUVs: the Cayenne Turbo and the ML63. Heads or tails...

ML for the track, Turbo for off road.
Do they come with flexi wings, mass dampers and Co. ?!

I feel that the should have been different, rear or mid-rear engined to stay true to its Porsche-ness.

 

[martinbo]

IE, your obsession with F1 tech in production road cars is bordering on unhealthy!

 

[merve_extreme]

I disagree that the new ML is better than the new X5, aside from off road capabilities witch are of no importance to 90%+ of buyers.

The new X5 is not a FL, it's a completly new car made to feel/resemble a FL. But platform, chassi, body panels, suspensions, etc. are all new.

So is the X5 better than the ML?
95% of the buyers wont even exploit 50% of the handling abilities of the X5.

A proper SUV should be able to go offroad,whether one uses it or not.
The ML can go offroad pretty well and brialliantly if u have the offroad pack,
it rides very well,it handles well(maybe not well as an X5, but atleast upto 85% of the X5 capabilities)also it is well built.The only thing where the X5 may have advantage is interior design,but then its subjective.

The ML does more things than the X5 so it is the better SUV.

 

[Zafiro]

The ML does more things than the X5 so it is the better SUV.

really? how come BMW sell so many X5? dont they also sell better than ML?

Both offroad and handling abilities are overrated for SUV, not many will explore those abilities.In the end SUVs are just big and fat cars.

 

[merve_extreme]

really? how come BMW sell so many X5? dont they also sell better than ML?

its sells well because of its image,the old X5 was>>>old ML and many still think its true.


US sales for May

ML-2601
X5-2858

doesn't look bad to me,considering that the X5 is 2 years younger than the ML and also i believe ML is more expensive than the X5.

 

[Zafiro]

its sells well because of its image,the old X5 was>>>old ML and many still think its true.


US sales for May

ML-2601
X5-2858

doesn't look bad to me,considering that the X5 is 1.5-2 years younger than the ML.

dont forget X3 . X3 certainly is highjacking some sales from X5.

and image, that certainly goes for MB as well

oh btw there are a world outside US you know

 

[martinbo]

In my country proper versatility counts for a lot when judging the merits of an SUV. Not to mention the ability to survive the odd bad road and not having to contact BMW-on-call to come and change a tyre for you.

I suppose it's all relative, in Africa we have lion, leopard, rhino, elephant, hyena, crocodile, hippo, buffalo, black mamba, Cape cobra, rock python and some other noteworthy critters.

In Sweden, you've got the Artist.

 

[merve_extreme]

dont forget X3 . X3 certainly is highjacking some sales from X5.

and image, that certainly goes for MB as well

oh btw there are a world outside US you know

see X3 is not a proper comparison because its a small SAV,its not a full size one.

The same argument can be put for the GL and ML,but here both are full size SUV's and ML has 5 seats so someone who wants a 7 seater will buy the GL.

as for image i'm not talking of Mercedes image but the image of the ML as a poor product from Mercedes.

Also US has most SUV sales as a country so i believe it represents a comparative picture of how the SUV's are faring,secondly i don't have any reference to European sales for the ML and the X5.Maybe u can give me a linky dinky.

 

[Zafiro]

see X3 is not a proper comparison because its a small SAV,its not a full size one.

In my country people are choosing between X5 and X3 so here its proper. Both are SAV, one is smaller and the other one is larger but they both are aiming for same things.

No sorry, sales arent my area. I'm sure Eni has salesnumbers

Anyway, the talk which one is the best is pointless to argue, its in the eye of the beholder. There are no facts or rules to determine which is the best, just personal opinions.

 

[Mr. M]

In my country proper versatility counts for a lot when judging the merits of an SUV. Not to mention the ability to survive the odd bad road and not having to contact BMW-on-call to come and change a tyre for you.

I suppose it's all relative, in Africa we have lion, leopard, rhino, elephant, hyena, crocodile, hippo, buffalo, black mamba, Cape cobra, rock python and some other noteworthy critters.

In Sweden, you've got the Artist.

Now, that's priceless...

 

[merve_extreme]

Anyway, the talk which one is the best is pointless to argue, its in the eye of the beholder. There are no facts or rules to determine which is the best.

Now that is completly true.

But i really thought that the X5 and X3 were aimed at different segments,different people.

 

[Zafiro]

Now that is completly true.

But i really thought that the X5 and X3 were aimed at different segments,different people.

I think there are categories for everybody. Maybe X3 is a chickcar and X5 a man's toy