M2 [Spyshots] BMW M2 (F22) Spy Pics & Info

[klier]

Of course BMW have competition in this class. In today's increasingly marketing-based environment, whether a product is far superior to its rivals in terms of driving satisfaction is largely irrelevant. The vast majority of consumers couldn't give a fig, nor would they be able to tell what makes a good drivers car.

I don't care about the vast majority of consumers. People who buy a car in this class aren't the same people who buy/lease an 114i or Golf 1.2 TDI. M2 will cost more than your average 5er, and people who buy such a car for this kind of money sure as hell aren't your average consumer.

I talk about myself and the only competition for the M2 will come from Porsche. Which is VAG too nowadays so the Kiwi can sleep happy.


And Kiwi, I am not contraditcing myself at all. Yes I would prefer a 4 pot and no an I6 does not make it a poor man's M3 automatically.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Thank-you, you've also made my case for the 1 series going FWD, I agree completely the vast majority of consumers couldn't give a fig, nor would they be able to tell what makes a good drivers car.

Nobody at any point has said they don't understand WHY BMW is going FWD on certain models. What people HAVE said is that not all decisions should be based around generating the most money.

I don't care about the vast majority of consumers. People who buy a car in this class aren't the same people who buy/lease an 114i or Golf 1.2 TDI. M2 will cost more than your average 5er, and people who buy such a car for this kind of money sure as hell aren't your average consumer.

Yes, and the vast majority of people buying the M3/M4 are hardcore driving enthusiasts. Jeremy Clarkson summed up the typical M3 buyer in one genius stroke.......

Wake up and smell the coffee. There are an awful lot of people buying the M badged cars because they're the "fastest BMW, sir" and it's got nothing to do with a love of BMW's motorsport heritage. Whilst the M2 may be more expensive than some 5 Series models, it will also be the entry level M car. This isn't the limited edition 1M we're talking about. This is a full-production M product and will definitely be cross-shopped with the RS3 and A45 AMG, whether you bury your head in the sand or not.

 

[KiwiRob]

klier you don't know many wealthy people do you? This will be a cheap car for many, something to give to their kids as a first car or there WAG to tool around in. Making it 2 door only will also limit it's market, they need to build a 5 door M1.

I'm sure the M2 would also make a great D1 car with the TT 6 dumped and the turbo 4 from the X28 series cars dropped in.

 

[klier]

Quoting Jeremy Clarckson when it suits you, Betty?

klier you don't know many wealthy people do you? This will be a cheap car for many, something to give to their kids as a first car or there WAG to tool around in.

Hahaha, good one! Stay in your bubble please, next to your rich daddy

Seriously, it's a bit of hyperbole to say the M2 will only compete with a Cayman, I know there will be cross shopping between all German brands in this class. But to me, and I apparantly can't stress this enough with Betty around, the RS3 and A45/CLA45 don't compete.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Quoting Jeremy Clarckson when it suits you, Betty?

I don't understand. So, because I think Jeremy Clarkson has become ignorant, xenophobic, and offensive, that means I can't refer to a humerous observation he made about six years ago? I don't understand your logic.

 

[klier]

I don't understand you logic either. Because when one is constantly calling someone a clown and a tool, it isn't very convincing when the very person that's being made fun of is used to make a point.

 

[KiwiRob]

Hahaha, good one! Stay in your bubble please, next to your rich daddy

Seriously, it's a bit of hyperbole to say the M2 will only compete with a Cayman, I know there will be cross shopping between all German brands in this class. But to me, and I apparantly can't stress this enough with Betty around, the RS3 and A45/CLA45 don't compete.

I'm 41, I don't need a rich daddy, I buy my own toys.

You're one little person whose opinion is as biased as they come, to the great unwashed if they're the same ballpark price with the same ballpark performance they all compete. The RS3, Golf R and A45 have won tests against the 1M and M235, the new R400 Golf and RS3 will be stiff competition and you can bet the A45 Black Series will be formidable, they all compete and they all appear to win tests in motoring magazines against each other.

 

[manuelf]

I'm saying that I think a turboed 4 cylinder is a much better fit with the competition, and it suits the kind of car I think an M2 should be, I don't think an M2 should be a poor mans M3/M4 which is what I think BMW are going to build. BMW should be trying to recapture the spirit of the E30 M3.

The next 2 series will most likely be FWD and in that car the M2 will most likely be Xdrive, but that's the next model not this one; martinbo was being cheeky bringing up something which doesn't exist into this topic.

Don't "over hype" the benefit/merits of an I4 compared to the chosen I6 solution in the upcoming M2.
Yes - sure: You could theoretically get some lower weight and better weight distribution when using an I4 vs an I6.
But IF you emphasize this topic so heavily, you have to come up with answers for the following questions:

• how much lighter do you expect the I4 application to be compared to an I6? 50lbs? Will you feel it?
• what does this mean regarding balance/weight distribution? I mean, if an M2 I6 application would already have a 51% front to 49% back weight distribution ... what will be the added value?
• BMW would have to use the N20/B48 base for your beloved I4! So we are talking about a 2 liter displacement. The round about 360hp to 380hp power, which is rumoured, would mean 180 to 190 hp/l. How reliable is this? It will be interessting to see long term experience with the A45 AMG with its 180hp/l.
• However: In an smaller displacement engine you obviously need bigger turbos to get a certain outcome which almost ever means more lag. So - do you prefer to have some lag in an I4 compared to a bigger displacement I6?
• Which reserves are there in an I4 application? When people are already hoping for an M2 GTS variant with 400hp or more - how should this reliably work with an 2L I4?

Don't get me wrong. I have no general problem with an I4 in a way, that I see it as cheap or generally inappropiate for an M-car... just saying, that you don't get automatically a better/more nimble drivers car just by switching to an I4. At least if you have some constraints, which you ALWAYS have, when you are developing a mass market production car and NOT a one off race car.

 

[klier]

You're one little person whose opinion is as biased as they come

Change little with elitist and you have a winning quote. I feel proud and honored.

I dislike premium cars with FWD origins and I dislike modded VW Golfs with an Audi logo even more.
And yes when it has a BMW logo in the future I will dislike that too. Most of everything. I need RWD premium compact cars more than anything.

 

[Cabasse0]

Maybe no auto box for the M2 .... good news or not ?
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2016-bmw-m2-might-be-coming-only-with-a-manual-gearbox-87772.html

 

[Zafiro]

I don't have problem with FWD cars but M2 doesnt need it to compete with RS3 or A45. I rather see it to have RWD or AWD than FWD.

I drove the 2er Active Tourer and 2-series a few days ago. 2er Active tourer dont have worse steering than the 2-series, none of them ozes with feel though but they are accurate and goes the way you steer. And on open roads you dont feel much difference the way the handle. I think you need to push the cars really hard to notice the advantage of RWD car. With that said you do feel that one is RWD and other one is FWD.

 

[Gianclaudio]

I'm 41, I don't need a rich daddy, I buy my own toys.

Wow, what a surprise. Judging by your posts, I though you were in your late teens years.

 

[klier]

Maybe no auto box for the M2 .... good news or not ?
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2016-bmw-m2-might-be-coming-only-with-a-manual-gearbox-87772.html

Absolutely. Very good. This will put off the crossbuyers even more so. M2 is creating it's own niche. RWD manual, virtually unheard of this day and age.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I don't understand you logic either. Because when one is constantly calling someone a clown and a tool, it isn't very convincing when the very person that's being made fun of is used to make a point.

Because he made that very astute and humorous observation about M3 drivers about six years ago, when I myself drove an E92 M3. Just because he now increasingly aims at the lowest common denominator and makes racist and xenophobic comments, that suddenly means the stuff he did in 2008 is no longer funny or accurate?

 

[klier]

The man hasn't changed one bit since then.

He is who he is and I like him a lot. I love British humor, you should bring some with you next time, you seem to always leave it at home!

 

[Betty Swollocks]

The man hasn't changed one bit since then.

He is who he is and I like him a lot. I love British humor, you should bring some with you next time, you seem to always leave it at home!

Liking Jeremy Clarkson says an awful lot about you. And the last time I looked, Jeremy Clarkson's racist and bigoted humour died out in British comedy in the 1970s when people realised it's offensive and lazy.


So, for the record, you're saying the M2 will NOT be seen as a competitor with the A45 AMG and RS 3.

Astounding.

 

[Rolf]

I'm saying that I think a turboed 4 cylinder is a much better fit with the competition, and it suits the kind of car I think an M2 should be, I don't think an M2 should be a poor mans M3/M4 which is what I think BMW are going to build. BMW should be trying to recapture the spirit of the E30 M3.

The next 2 series will most likely be FWD and in that car the M2 will most likely be Xdrive, but that's the next model not this one; martinbo was being cheeky bringing up something which doesn't exist into this topic.

Why should BMW want to fit in with the competition and a six cylinder been a poor mans M3/M4? A six cylinder engine will be considered by many to be superior to rivals 4 cylinder engines first of all by been a smooth and melodious 3.0 six cylinder instead of over stressed noisy 4 cylinder 2.0 engine. BMW will never be able to capture the spirit of the E30 M3 cause of the market place now is different to the 80's. Cars nowadays are totally different to the cars of the 80's, they much heavier, much quieter and more comfortable and bigger as well. To be able to emulate the E30 M3 would mean it has a N/A high revving 4 cylinder engine, manual gearbox, light weight body, narrow width ( 2 series is about 100mm wider),and be much louder when you rev that engine (not exhaust played through speakers) and have hydraulic power steering with loads of feel. People may think the M2 will be inferior to the M235i cause it has a 4 cylinder engine, remember in the 80's a M engine was totally different to any other engine in the BMW range it was race bred, high revving multivalve so the M3 4 cylinder was considered better than the 2 valve per cylinder 325i six engine. BMW M engines now are just heavily modified versions of normal BMW engines not race bred anymore.

 

[Monster]

Kids...behave..

 

[Merc1]

Either way, this is going to be a looker and a riot to drive.

M

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

An I6 leaves more room for the tuners than a stressed I4