4 Series (F32) [Spy Shots] The BMW 4 series GranCoupe is spied cold-weather-testing in Sweden


The first generation of the BMW 4 Series consists of the F32 (coupé version), F33 (convertible version) and F36 (five-door liftback version, marketed as 'Gran Coupé') compact executive cars. The 4 Series was created when BMW spun off the 2-door models (coupé and convertible) of the 3 Series into a separate series. Production: July 2013 – September 2020
@Giannis

It's very simple. The market today - and so the business - is always driven by demand & supply. They both have to be there & co-exist so the markets work.

And new segments emerging is a common thing. Existing segments becoming saturated, and people wanting something new. Something that combines one or more worlds ... Not just in automotive industry but elsewhere too. Smartphones with cameras replacing simple point-and-shoot digital cameras - so manufacturers are now making ultrazoom compact cameras, or CSCs - which are more affordable (although not as good and useful) as DSLRs. And same case with desktop computers, notebooks, tablets etc ... It depends what for you need the tool. Sometimes tablet is enough , sometimes you need a desktop PC, while in most cases a notebook will do the magic. Same functions, different nuances, different shapes, different performance figures etc As said: it depends what you need / what you want. Sure in most cases people want more - way beyond actual rational needs.

Sure new products "create needs" - either due to customer's inability to recognize what she/he really needs, or due to advertising: where manufacturers target consumer's emotions and trick him/her by images & promises that a certain product would satisfy a certain need best (although there are other products that could do that as well - as good or even better). So, sure ... targeting / manipulating with human emotions creates / boosts desirability of a certain product / brand. Nothing new here. Therefore consumer behavior & consumer psychology is a very important factor withing the field of marketing.

But in the end it's THE CONSUMER who makes the choices. Nobody else makes them for him/her. It's not like somebody points a gun to your head and forces you to buy something. It's ALWAYS YOUR OWN decision what you buy. Sure it depends on how well you know & understand yourself & your needs & wishes & fantasies etc, and how well you really know the product. If you buy something just because somebody else says it's good for you and suits you well (but it actually does not), then you either don't know yourself (which is indeed a very scary implication) or you don't really don't know the product you are buying - which today is mostly your own fault since in many cases you can try/check it first before you buy it.

So, it only gets as ridiculous as ridiculous the folk is in general. Marketing & sales guys just play the game that's there. It's limited by the customer and his/her mind. So, having a f...ed up mind is not anybody else's fault but your own in the end ... and perhaps your parents', and your family in general, your teachers, your ... Certainly not manufacturers' or marketing folks' fault. They just turn you against yourself ... if they can. But in the end it's you and only you who makes a good or bad (purchasing) decision.

I think crying about how manipulated we are by marketing / advertising / sales guys who make us buying things is just a lame excuse. Because it's hard to admit when making a mistake - and it's so much easier to blame someone else for it. And it feels good too. ;)

And yes, it's a game. A game of trade, a game of business, and a game of human greed & vanity. Games as old as humanity itself.

More or less, I understand and agree with most of what you wrote.

But don't expect from someone, who as far as his combined telephony and photography needs are concerned, has a simple Nokia and a Nikon DSLR, instead of a 50 MPixel smartphone, to like this overflow of "alternatives".

Τ, as you may have understood after all these years of posting here, I have a very "narrow-minded" approach to the automotive industry. I can't find meaning in cars that try to be jacks of all trades, as they are masters of none. I can understand BMW's point of view, when deciding to go ahead with such a car (4er GC), but I can't understand why a consumer would buy one. Based on my personal system of values and needs' hierarchy, models like this, don't really have a reason to exist.

Then again, this comes from a guy that despises convertibles due to their limited structural rigidity. But that is an outcome of my personal experiences, I am a civil engineer, I calculate structural rigidity of structures for a living...

Anyway, it's a game, if I may use your words, and I refuse to be a part of it. Up until some point, I used to ignore vehicles like the X6, four-wheeled consumer products, which I couldn't understand. Now, I'm feeling that trying to find something that fits my automotive values is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Don't expect me to like it!
 
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Will it sell? I kind of like the thaugt of a secondhand 5 GT to transport the kids, and the 5 GT has depriciated like a oiled-up stone in cold water. So, for us cheapsters, they look like a steal! I hope for the same for the 4 GT.

Oh, and for those of you who did not know; this is a proper BMW GT... the M3 GT:

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Look, there's a track, helmets and well... driving! I can't see a single senior looking for something in "pale gold" and 65 profile tires.
 
I just don't like this car, this is not a friggin Gran Coupe, this is a frekin hatchback, ok? If this was actually a Gran Coupe i think most of us would be happier despite the apparent pointless "niche" it has but OK, fair enough, everyone else is doing it so according to Eni and Scott, BMW must "adapt" and do it too.
I am now looking at the pic of the 4GC in phoenix yellow (sth like that) that Eni posted in post #220 and seriously, what the hell were they thinking. The butt is heavy, the side is good to be a GT, it looks more like some practical family tourer way more than a coupe. I mean it won't be a bad looking thing after all but why can't it be a proper Gran Coupe instead of this semi-hatchback mess? Is it because of A5 sb? This thing is just angry to look at. I think the problem is the over stretching of the greenhouse, causing the trunk to be too short, and the hofmeister kink to be too far back making it not possible to have the normal BMW rear door shape (so that the door is a straight cut from the edge of the kink). Or i mean what they could do is to screw the GC, and make it a shooting brake - it's not too far from what it is, just delete the trunk and it's nearly done. A 4er Shooting Brake would be hot and unique too.

Look Eni, this is not about "adapting" to the market, this is about BMW being very defensive, copying or following other's strategies for what? Is this the formula for success? Is the loss of uniqueness the only way to survive? I'm kinda worried about BMW, top premium car maker now but hey with no uniqueness, not even the driving dynamics side, simply offering what others are offering but in different packaging, the brand image will deteriorate. I remember the day when we learnt the E87 was a RWD 1series, giving up some rear space, rear headroom in favour of their belief, in favour of what they knew and thought was the best, instead of building a FWD like everyone else. The 3series used to have a "ci" for coupe, and we had MB and Audi followed with the CLK and A4 coupe, all of a sudden Audi decided to rename the A4 coupe to A5 and suddenly BMW followed to name the "LEGENDARY 3 SERIES 2 DOOR" to be a 4series. what??? the 6er GC was arguably a "response" to the CLS. Adapting? or just screwing yourself up? BMW you have heritage, history, tradition to do what you do best at, to upkeep your brand, to be unique, instead of just being a follower/second mover. If you decided to give up all these GC and GT crap from day 1, and put all investments in CFRP tech, your 3series would probably weigh 1000kg.
 
Do you know what BMW was once called? "German Alfa Romeo" ... Yes, once upon a time Alfa Romeo had better image than BMW, and BMW was the imitator. And it turned out to be a very successful one. Even more successful than original. So, there was nothing unique in BMW's story.

And BMW, MB & Audi are hardly an exclusive brands today - selling so many cars per year. In some markets BMW, MB & Audi models even outsell their economy-class counterparts. Unique? Exclusive? Hardly. Premium? Sure.

Regarding following/leading ... every manufacturer presents something new and becomes a leader, and at the same time it follows the successful formulas invented by others.

Btw, all those niche spin-offs are actually very cheap to develop since they are based on an existing (only modified) platform, while part sharing (with core model siblings) is extensive.

It's not my fault that you expected a shrunken 6er GC - and got a fastback 5dr coupe instead (ala A5 SB). But customers like the formula (mind A5 SB) - and BMW will provide it in BMW form.
 
^I think that BMW generate wrong hope with the label 4 Gran Coupe. When I know the 6 GC and then I hear it will be a 4 GC of course I think the form of this car will follow the 6 GC. And now it looks like the label GC will abuse for a fastback. So I understand that many members here are disappointed, me too.
 
GranCoupe is exactly what it's name implies it is: an enhanced, enlarged vehicle compared to a classic coupe (of the same series). It doesn't necessarily implies the number of doors - perhaps just there may be more than 2 doors. That could mean 3, 4 or 5 doors. :)

Also Gran Turismo (GT) also isn't a classic GT yet a BMW's modern interpretation of traveling in style.

Not to mention Audi's Sportback moniker ... there's nothing sporty in A3's back. And one could argue that hatchbacks of A5 SB & A7 SB also don't necessarily ooze sportiness.

You take the trademarks just too seriously.
Btw, Active Tourer is badged as 2er for a very banal reason: to indicate it's a bigger car than 1er. And so is the 2er Coupe. For more than 10cm. ;)
 
EnI, I appreciate your postings and normally I share your meaning. But this time I´m on the other side.
You are right that the classic labels like GT today not means the same like in the past. And this is ok for me. But I´m hold the opinion that it´s misleading when a GC one time is a car like the 6 GC, and one time a car like the 4 GC. Ok, it´s exaggerated, but it will be the same if you call a car convertible because it has a sunroof.
And that the 2 Active Tourer will marketed as part of the 2-series is not to compare with this discussion 4GC / 6GC, because you can differentiate the cars aground the designations like Coupe, Convertible and Active Tourer. So you know always which kind of car you can expect.
 
GranCoupe is something BMW marketing guys made up ... It's not a definition of a specific shape & features. It's like saying 3er GT is not a real GT because it features a pop-up wing, and lacks the TwinDoor tail gate system.

Also ... the name is GranCoupe, not CoupeSedan ... so. And there are many 3dr coupes out there ... so what's wrong with 5dr coupes???? Audi A5 SB, Audi A7 SB, Porsche Panamera, Aston Martin Rapide.

Audi Sportback ... sometimes it's a fastback (A5, A7), sometimes it's a hatchback / almost an wagon (A3). Not misleading?


But I´m hold the opinion that it´s misleading when a GC one time is a car like the 6 GC, and one time a car like the 4 GC.

The only difference being classic trunk boot lid vs hatch tail gate ... Yes, lights years away. Such a difference. :rolleyes:

And it's ironic that such cry is going without even seeing the car IRL first.
 
I haven´t critizid the car or the concept at any time. And I´m sure that I will like the 4 GC too and it will find his customers. Only I have tried to demonstrate what could be the reason for the one or two negative reactions.
Ok, you are right with your statement that some of us take the trademark maybe to seriously.
I think in this discussion there are no right or wrong, only several opinions.
 
The interesting thing about the 6er Gran Coupe is that it outsells the 6er Coupe and Cabrio an example of customers wanting the Coupe but needing more practicality.
In regards to the 4er Gran Coupe. I remember when it first looked like this in early stages of competition.

However the sleek outline is similar to the one on the G30 - the next generation 5er. So one loses the other gains.
 
Can´t stand why they haven´t gone the 6er GC route, which looks fantastic. This just looks worse than the 6er GC, 4er, and 3er.

What about "Well done!!! Fantastic looking profile." It's your own quote from September 3rd 2013:

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Well done!!!

Fantastic looking profile.

And this ...

I see this car as an alternative version of the 3er. If it had the frontlights separated from the kidneys, and a not so meh interior, it could be one of the strongest cars from BMW in the last decade.

Why all the change of heart all of sudden?

Not liking this sexy fastback anymore? ;)

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Regarding the 4er GC silhouette ... it follows the Concept CS silhouette much closer than 6er GC does. And some of you who loved Concept Cs lines & profile view are now criticizing the very similar silhouette of 4er GC. I smell inconsistency. :D
 
^^^ Exactly! A baby 6er GC, not some hatchback that nobody wants that looks just like a 3-Series.

M
 
I am the first to dismiss-as-pointless (from a real-world product capability perspective) many cars from many manufacturers and also criticise cars that I think, plainly, are rubbish. I detest MPVs for instance and think that urban SUVs with 2WD are a joke. But, in the end, that's just me and my appreciation for the usefulness of the automobile. What I happen to think doesn't matter one bit in the global automotive scheme of things.

The fundamental tenet underpinning ALL premium auto manufacturer strategy is summarised as this:
  • The survivability of the modern car maker is dependent on growth; if you don't grow your business, your competition will outgrow you. You may elect to stick with a certain recipe that appeals to a limited demographic but soon you will no longer be viewed as direct competition and your market share will dwindle. This position will put you at risk of being acquired by the competition. BMW and its stakeholders do not want this. They want to continue to grow their business in order to ensure the long-term sustainability of the organisation.
  • In order to grow, you need to grow your revenues and, in turn, improve on your profitability. To grow revenues, you need greater volumes.
  • For greater volumes to work, you need to broaden the appeal of your entire product offering in line (or in cases, innovate something new) with what the market demands and how your competitors are rising to meet this demand. By offering a greater variation of product you can attract more buyers away from the competition.
  • Finally, market forces dictate that car makers have to continually adapt to the changing needs and desires of consumers. The quicker you adapt, the quicker you out-compete your competition for a particular market, the better your chances for long-term sustainability.
There are so many facets and niches as market opportunities ready to be exploited in today's automotive landscape that car makers are compelled to adopt this strategic approach. One man's pointless waste of money is another's coveted acquisition. As such, it's ultimately circular and narrow-minded to criticise a car maker for offering something new that seemingly detracts from erstwhile core product values; particularly if that car maker - here, BMW - continues to make some products that conform to these perceived core product values.

With that being said, this being a car forum, it's entirely reasonable that some people will like one thing and others will like another. As a result it is unavoidable that someone might think that a front-wheel drive BMW mom-mobile is staggeringly crap; as important and profitable it may be.
 
Thanks M, that really sums it all up and I'm fine with being more interested in the cars than I am in BMW AG.

I mean we all hate the soccer vans, as they dilute the brand inage, but in the end, I care less for badge than I do for product. So, bring on the vans and busses, tractors and lorries... but do not forget to build cars that care for the heart.
 
What about "Well done!!! Fantastic looking profile." It's your own quote from September 3rd 2013:



And this ...



Why all the change of heart all of sudden?

Not liking this sexy fastback anymore? ;)

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Regarding the 4er GC silhouette ... it follows the Concept CS silhouette much closer than 6er GC does. And some of you who loved Concept Cs lines & profile view are now criticizing the very similar silhouette of 4er GC. I smell inconsistency. :D

You are wright, I liked in some spy pics, but what they have done with the glasshouse and the rear door reminds more to the 3er GT than to the 6er GC, which I thought was the goal with this 4er GT. It´s true the A5 SB looks quite nice, but BMW has IMO a better formula, as the 6er GC look far better than the A7. Translating it to the 4er segment seemed to me the most logical choice.
 

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