7 Series (G11) [Spy shots] BMW 7er (G11) Spy Pics & Info

[Deleted member 25]

It's the same car, it will be called 8 or 9er.

 

[EnI]

@EnI M and Individual? First time I read this for 8er and 9er. Would be fantastic news. I thought 8er was pretty much dead as a project with all the focus on the 9er.

The Project Gran Turismo (production car based on Concept CS) was a dedicated project of M & Individual. BMW even named Dr. Richter (then Head of Development M GmbH) a project development leader (and named Biermann a new M Head of Development). Now you know how important that project was at that time. I wonder if the same was done with Biermann now - being offered a post of project development leader of such a car but he declined & went for Hyundai. Who knows ...

There is a little known about Project GT - since it was canceled soon - except it was planed to be a luxury 4-door coupe. But then - due to financial crisis - BMW canceled that car and opt for 6er GC instead. Initially they planned to only have X6 as a "coupe" in that particular segment.

What badge will this car wear? M8, M9, M10, 860i, 960i etc? Will it be a coupe, a 4dr coupe, a sports sedan. I don't know. It's not greenlighted yet but under consideration.

But regarding VFL ... it's a strong indication the new "Project Gran Turismo" will most probably be a sports sedan. Not a S-Maybach competitor in sense of rear seat comfort but more like a ultra-luxury drivers sports sedan. But something more in a sense of Maserati Quttroporte, Fisker Karma & Aston Martin Lagonda - with a price tag to be a proper bridge between 760Li & RR Ghost, I guess.

And I'm sure it will be again a project by M & Individual. So, an exclusive BMW product.

But again .. it depends what will happen in Russia, China, Middle East in the next few months ... If another recession hits (or even a Chinese slowdown) I'm sure many (high-end) projects will be put on ice for a while. Again.

 

[martinbo]

I'm sorry, but I didn't think creating a hunched over SAV was considered having "balls." Neither are those abominations you call GT variants. Please don't confuse balls with releasing questionably attractive cars as one and the same. Don't get me wrong, I do think the currently BMW lineup is ball-sy enough. The i8 and i3 are perfect examples of this. However, all the models you mentioned are pathetic excuses for "ballsy" cars.

Entirely subjective appraisal with very little rational evaluation. "Abominations", "Pathetic excuses"?!? Wow.
Sheesh, they're just cars. And, based on consumer uptake, successful ones at that.

 

[SCOTT27]

The Project Gran Turismo (production car based on Concept CS) was a dedicated project of M & Individual. BMW even named Dr. Richter (then Head of Development M GmbH) a project development leader (and named Biermann a new M Head of Development). Now you know how important that project was at that time. I wonder if the same was done with Biermann now - being offered a post of project development leader of such a car but he declined & went for Hyundai. Who know ...

There is a little known about Project GT - since it was canceled soon - except it was planed to be a luxury 4-door coupe. But then - due to financial crisis - BMW canceled that car and opt for 6er GC instead. Initially they planned to only have X6 as a "coupe" in this segment.

What badge will this car wear? M8, M9, M10, 860i, 960i etc? Will it be a coupe, a 4dr coupe, a sports sedan. I don't know. It's not greenlighted yet but under consideration.

But regarding VFL ... it's a strong indication the new "Project Gran Turismo" will most probably be a sports sedan. Not a S-Maybach competitor in sense of rear seat comfort but more like a ultra-luxury drivers sports sedan. But something more in a sense of Maserati Quttroporte, Fisker Karma & Aston Martin Lagonda - with a price tag to be a proper bridge between 760Li & RR Ghost, I guess.

And I'm sure it will be again a project by M & Individual. So, an exclusive BMW product.

But again .. it depends what will happen in Russia, China, Middle East in the next few months ... If another recession hits (or even a Chinese slowdown) I'm sure many (high-end) project will be put on ice for a while. Again.

Because of Fedelis role @ Ferrari it means he is to be given the meatiest projects that need that level of expertise in development and engineering. It would be a waste of talent if he was assigned the upcoming BMW 1er city car.

 

[klier]

Back to the 7er guys!

 

[deity]

Entirely subjective appraisal with very little rational evaluation. "Abominations", "Pathetic excuses"?!? Wow.
Sheesh, they're just cars. And, based on consumer uptake, successful ones at that.

I never said they weren't successful. I was just referring to how your example of "ballsy" models were calculated, market-tested cars BMW was relatively sure would do decent. The i3/8, made of its expensive materials and is powered uniquely, is ballsy. Also funny how you credit BMW for being ballsy for launching the GC line when they essentially observed MBs success and followed.

What is a GT? Is it an entirely new shape? No. Is it powered uniquely? It's a station wagon some marketers chopped up and called a GT. The most ballsy thing BMW has done in the last decade is the i-range and going FWD.

 

[martinbo]

For the record: I observe BMW's plugging of niche models into every conceivable nook and cranny as "having balls". It's a calculated risk and the point I'm making is that no other maker can match the plethora of niche models in BMW's line up.

X1: Audi Q3 no competitor from MB
2er Coupe: Audi TT nothing from MB
3er GT: no direct competitor from MB or Audi
4er GC: Audi A5 SB nothing from MB
X4: no direct competitor from MB or Audi (Porsche's Macan is deemed as being 'conventional'.)
5er GT: no direct competitor from MB or Audi
6er GC: CLS and A7
X6: only now the GLE coupe and nothing from Audi

Whether the above amount to ballsy cars is immaterial. The strategy is ballsy because, whether I like it or not, it is working.

I therefore contest SKY's claim that BMW lacks balls as this statement is personally subjective and has no place in the 7er thread without counter-argument.

And with that, back on topic to the G11.

 

[klier]

^ MB has a GL, G, and CLS Shooting Brake and SL, for what it's worth Enough niches BMW has yet to enter.

And X1 competition is the GLA. And 5er GT competition is the R class (GT is basically a reaction to that)

 

[Tarek]

^Add to that S coupe,SLS and GTs

 

[martinbo]

Guys, c'mon it's obvious that I'm talking about a certain range in the market - GLA notwithstanding, supercars, massive luxury SUVs and luxo-GTs like the S Coupe are in a completely different price and volume bracket. I see an SLS maybe once every two months. I see a 3er GT more than 4 times a day on average.

G11 7er will be a more regular sighting than an AMG GT, S Coupe or SL.

5er GT is not a direct comparator to the R-Class.

 

[SKY]

^Add to that S coupe,SLS and GTs

That´s what BMW needs IMO. But hey, 2er GT means balls as we all know vans and SUVs are hard to sell nowadays.

When we all see the supercar (or at least sportscar) BMW is planning it will become more clear if BMW needed the car or not, as everyone will absolutely love it.

And, as this is 7er thread, and we are talking about more exciting projects, if the G11 is as lightweight as it seems, the M7 would make a lot of sense this time. Specially after the M4, and X5/X6 M, which are a huge step up when compared to their predecessors.

 

[klier]

And, as this is 7er thread, and we are talking about more exciting projects, if the G11 is as lightweight as it seems, the M7 would make a lot of sense this time.

Yes, or at the very least an M770i or something, with +/- 640 hp V12, hopefully weighing around 1850 kg. That sounds quite possible.
I think the new (or updated) V12 will be around 600 hp in a standard 760i.

 

[SKY]

Yes, or at the very least an M770i or something, with +/- 640 hp V12, hopefully weighing around 1850 kg. That sounds quite possible.
I think the new (or updated) V12 will be around 600 hp in a standard 760i.

This time it seems to be straight up the RR engine, so I would expect something around 650 PS.

Somehow a M7 V12 does not seem likely to me. BMW is now turning green (quite successfully), so I would rather see a beefed up M5 engine with maybe an electric engine. Worst case a beefed up M5. But V12... Don´t think so. Althought I would sign for it anytime.

 

[SCOTT27]

Yes, or at the very least an M770i or something, with +/- 640 hp V12, hopefully weighing around 1850 kg. That sounds quite possible.
I think the new (or updated) V12 will be around 600 hp in a standard 760i.

Output for the upgraded V12 is on a par with the output on the Rolls-Royce Wraith.

An M7 is entirely feasible this time around. The segment is growing and the capabilities and possibilities are expansive than previous 7er before. M Performance first though to test the water.

 

[klier]

Somehow a M7 V12 does not seem likely to me. BMW is now turning green (quite successfully), so I would rather see a beefed up M5 engine with maybe an electric engine. Worst case a beefed up M5. But V12... Don´t think so. Althought I would sign for it anytime.

Hmm, a V12 might indeed be too much. If the standard 760i has 630 hp like the Wraith, I am not complaining. But it has to come in regular SWB too, please!!
So an M Performance 750i with around 520 hp, then?

 

[tomazino]

M770i with next gen M5 V8 engine with over 600hp and under 1850kg. That is my bet

 

[SKY]

I doubt an M Performance car will have such a power, what is the average increase in power compared to the standard model? 30 PS?. I woud expect the nw 750i to have around 470 PS, therefore the performance model should be good for some 500 PS.

 

[klier]

Agreed, between 480 and 520 hp for M750i

Edit: and below 1850 kg.

 

[tomazino]

I mean M770. M performance is with highest number in every series. M performance in higher series have power like M model from series below. So, what is the point of M750 with 100hp less than regular model 760.
ps. in defense of my story - engine from M performance M550 is in regular 7 series model.

 

[tomazino]

I doubt an M Performance car will have such a power, what is the average increase in power compared to the standard model? 30 PS?. I woud expect the nw 750i to have around 470 PS, therefore the performance model should be good for some 500 PS.

You can not count like that. 30hp more on 1 or 3 series with 300hp is one thing, and 30hp on 7 series with 470hp is something completely different - I mean, NOTHING.