DB11 [Spy Shots] Aston Martin DB11 spied

[Monster]

You're ignoring weight, traction and gearing for starters. Not to mention the usable power band of the two engines could not be more different.

Those will be taken into consideration once the information is released, however the V12 in the Ferrari is known to be extremely flexible.

The thing is, at this part of the market, if you want to compete against the big boys, you need big numbers, and I hope Aston can at least close the gap to Ferrari, given it is launching the DB11 3 years after the F12. Also, it isn't a good look when you have a brand new twin turbo V12 producing less power than the twin turbo V8 from Ferrari and Mclaren.

Anyway the engine output is till just a rumor and I will be very surprised if it isn't near the 700 hp mark.

 

[Centurion]

Those will be taken into consideration once the information is released, however the V12 in the Ferrari is known to be extremely flexible.

The thing is, at this part of the market, if you want to compete against the big boys, you need big numbers, and I hope Aston can at least close the gap to Ferrari, given it is launching the DB11 3 years after the F12. Also, it isn't a good look when you have a brand new twin turbo V12 producing less power than the twin turbo V8 from Ferrari and Mclaren.

Anyway the engine output is till just a rumor and I will be very surprised if it isn't near the 700 hp mark.

Aston Martin don't have the resources to rival Ferrari who have got an F1 racing programme to test new engine technologies. I'm not impressed by this V12 as it's easy to develop a powerful twin-turbo V12. A powerful but responsive V8 however, is much more technical, and so is a hybrid one.

Unless they buy drive-train tech from Mercedes, Aston Martin will remain a style over substance brand. Their cars are primarily GTs rather than cutting edge sports cars. As long as coming models have a new design, customers won't moan if the engines are a bit behind curve.........for now.

 

[Porsche Guy]

Those will be taken into consideration once the information is released, however the V12 in the Ferrari is known to be extremely flexible.

The thing is, at this part of the market, if you want to compete against the big boys, you need big numbers, and I hope Aston can at least close the gap to Ferrari, given it is launching the DB11 3 years after the F12. Also, it isn't a good look when you have a brand new twin turbo V12 producing less power than the twin turbo V8 from Ferrari and Mclaren.

Anyway the engine output is till just a rumor and I will be very surprised if it isn't near the 700 hp mark.

I completely agree that at this price point, it's all about bragging rights and HP is king. I'm not happy about it but that's the way things are.

That being said, an naturally aspirated engine (NA) will not have the same torque curve as a forced induction engine (FI). "Flexibility" which I interpret to mean engine performance across the entire rev range, is typically stronger in a FI as they typically have a larger, broader and flatter torque curve than a NA engine of comparable size.

 

[Porsche Guy]

Aston Martin don't have the resources to rival Ferrari who have got an F1 racing programme to test new engine technologies. I'm not impressed by this V12 as it's easy to develop a powerful twin-turbo V12. A powerful but responsive V8 however, is much more technical, and so is a hybrid one.

Unless they buy drive-train tech from Mercedes, Aston Martin will remain a style over substance brand. Their cars are primarily GTs rather than cutting edge sports cars. As long as coming models have a new design, customers won't moan if the engines are a bit behind curve.........for now.

How is it easy to develop a TT V12 but hard to develop a TT V8?

The notion that AM is a "style over substance brand" unless they have the latest tech is a really shallow way to look at cars. If anything, judging a car based on its tech as opposed to how it drives is picking "style over substance" by definition. Go drive a Caterham 620R with its relatively primitive engineering and then get back to me about "style over substance".

 

[Phillip123]

This car promises a lot! It's going to be spectacular

 

[Centurion]

How is it easy to develop a TT V12 but hard to develop a TT V8?

Because there aren't that many V12 on the market and most of them are comfort orientated e.g S600, Bentley CGT, RR Wraith, the expectation of them are low compared to V8s. While the V12s are just expected to deliver smooth power and plenty of it, V8 are expected to offer low-end torque, high responsiveness and rev high.

Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Mclaren are investing exceptional resources into their V8s and even V6s to make them perfect for all driving. I won't be too critical of Aston until I've heard more about their V12, but I'm more curious about the competitiveness of their new V8.

 

[Monster]

I completely agree that at this price point, it's all about bragging rights and HP is king. I'm not happy about it but that's the way things are.

That being said, an naturally aspirated engine (NA) will not have the same torque curve as a forced induction engine (FI). "Flexibility" which I interpret to mean engine performance across the entire rev range, is typically stronger in a FI as they typically have a larger, broader and flatter torque curve than a NA engine of comparable size.

I suppose I just assumed this DB 11 is aiming for the F12, after all the Ferrari is really the only front engine V12 rwd coupe on the market. I suppose it can be aiming for the market between the Bentley Continental and the F12.

 

[Porsche Guy]

Because there aren't that many V12 on the market and most of them are comfort orientated e.g S600, Bentley CGT, RR Wraith, the expectation of them are low compared to V8s. While the V12s are just expected to deliver smooth power and plenty of it, V8 are expected to offer low-end torque, high responsiveness and rev high.

Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Mclaren are investing exceptional resources into their V8s and even V6s to make them perfect for all driving. I won't be too critical of Aston until I've heard more about their V12, but I'm more curious about the competitiveness of their new V8.

Lamborghini's, Ferrari and Pagani all use V12 engines for their cars. I'm pretty sure the Pagani V12 shares the same engine block as the S600/S65 as well.

Who has a low expectation for V12 engines besides yourself? The expectation for any size/configuration of engine should be based on its intended use. Do I expect the Phantom's V12 to rev to 8250 like the F12's? No. It wouldn't suit the demands of the Phantom.

Your expectation of a V8 (low end torque, high responsiveness and rev high) also runs into the same problems. Does the A8, S500 or 750 use a V8 that is high revving? No because it is not appropriate.

The reason Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, McLaren and every other manufacturer is focusing on smaller engines is because of emissions. Smaller displacement engines typically have fewer cylinders (because of friction losses I believe). Outside of Formula 1's 3 liter V12 of the late 1990's, I can't think of any V12's in the last 25 years with a displacement smaller than 5.0 liters.

 

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[Pedro Alexandre]

http://www.autojunk.nl/2016/01/aston-martin-db11

 

[Rainer271]

The interior photos come from an earlier prototype which was caught in Scandinavia last week. The interior is far from production ready but it features a digital instrument cluster and a large infotainment system. The prototype has also been equipped with an assortment of Mercedes-sourced components including a three-spoke steering wheel, a Comand controller, and climate control switchgear.

Source: Worldcarfans

 

[sako97]

The DB11 and S Cabrio would make an excellent combo. Bentley has their work cut out for the next Continental now that Astons will have the latest MB components.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1102090_2017-aston-martin-db11-leaked-again

Aston Martin’s long-awaited replacement for the DB9 grand tourer, the 2017 DB11, is set for its world debut at the 2016 Geneva Motor Show on March 1. However, photos of the car have leaked online and reveal many of its details.

The two leaked photos were uploaded to Dutch website Autojunk by usersAutoblogger and dennisjuh95. One looks like an official studio shot while the other was most likely taken while the DB11 was on an official photo shoot. We're glad to see that the new car is very modern and features a number of elements from handsome Aston Martin concepts like the DB10, CC100 and DBX.

The DB11 is the first car to be based on a new modular platform that will underpin most of Aston Martin’s future lineup. The automaker says the new platform will enable its cars to be at the forefront of design, performance and technology.

Among the new technology will be a twin-turbocharged 5.2-liter V-12 that was recently teased. There will also be a twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter V-8 sourced from Mercedes-AMG as well as an advanced infotainment system likely sourced fromChinese firm Letv.

We should be receiving official details from Aston Martin soon but for now check out our spy shots of prototypes testing over the past year.

 

[Monster]

Really hope the DB 11 won't look like the latest render, or possibly a leaked official photo.

 

[klier]

How is it easy to develop a TT V12 but hard to develop a TT V8?

Makes no sense at all, no.

 

[Centurion]

Really hope the DB 11 won't look like the latest render, or possibly a leaked official photo.

Why not? Are you finding it too evolutionary and lacking in excitement?

 

[donkeykong]

Why not? Are you finding it too evolutionary and lacking in excitement?

Personally for me,it's certainly lacking excitement in that render. Even though the current design idium is very fimilar at this point,it never fails to arouse excitement from me,and I'm not really an Aston fan.

 

[Monster]

Why not? Are you finding it too evolutionary and lacking in excitement?

It is lacking the simple elegance of the timeless styling that defined the Aston range for the past 10 years. What is going on with those "floating roof pillar", side vent connecting to the the front wheel arches oddly shaped headlight and the incomplete lower intake? I am afraid the perfectly proportioned shape is ruined by crass styling gimmicks.

 

[Mr Robert]

No, it is strictly evolutionary. Nothing really new, but then again, it is a fine car as it is.