XJ [Rumors] The electrified Big Cat - Jaguar's BEV XJ successor

[J.E]

I don't recall having ever seen a Senator police car, regardless of whether A or B, in Germany. But the Omega As', in both sedan and estate form, were very popular with police authorities. The Omega Bs' as well, although perhaps a bit lesser so. The "standard" police cruisers of their respective eras in the state of Hessen (Opels' main plant is in Rüsselsheim just south of Frankfurt/Main).

Were they powered by 6 cylinder engines despite looking like a two-litre GL?

 

[J.E]

You're kidding right? My parents used to own a 1987 Kadett. I wouldn't put Opel and luxury in the same sentence.

European Car of the Year 1985.

 

[KiwiRob]

It's funny, because it's true.

GM could've pushed Opel as a luxury brand instead of trying and failing to make Cadillac relevant.

Opel has the "German car" cachet, historic of rear wheel drive large luxury sedans and one of the fastest sports sedans ever made in collaboration with Lotus.

The Senator was sold in NZ in the 80’s as a luxury brand.

 

[J.E]

The Senator was sold in NZ in the 80’s as a luxury brand.

It formed the basis for the second generation Holden Commodore built from 1988 to 1997 and its many offsprings - the wagon, the Ute, the larger Statesman and Caprice sedans, the re-badged versions Toyota Lexcen and Opel Calais.

 

[KiwiRob]

IIt formed the basis for the second generation Holden Commodore built from 1988 to 1997 and its many offsprings - the wagon, the Ute, the larger Statesman and Caprice sedans, the re-badged versions Toyota Lexcen and Opel Calais.

Gee really you don’t say ? that’s like telling me the sky is blue and water is wet.

All Commodores and associated products up to the VE/VF have been based on Opel platforms. The VE/VF were the first (and last) Commodores to use a Holden designed platform, the ZB replacement went back to being a badge engineered Opel, this time fully imported from Europe.

 

[klier]

Opel has all my life been a cheap brand owned by trailer trash. Only now, owned by PSA, it's getting better again.

And the Omega might have been RWD, yeah, but Opel is (hopefully was now) FWD crap through and through.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

owned by PSA, it's getting better again.

Amen, brotha.

 

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So should be interesting when they go for their MOT in a few months time - 'Advisories - see phone book attached'.

Of course he's right. Bollore is desperate, No EV, no company - even with KPMG, HM.Gov and Her Maj's Press on board. You can only cover up a totally bust company for so long - nearly a decade is pushing it - 2015/16- .

New Range Rover has belly flopped. Yes, it has some sales, just for being new, and 'sold' - given - to 'VIPs', influencers, royalty etc. But it's plain that it's a flop, a huge, deafening-silence one. The car isn't bad, BUT, it's NOT EV. Simple as.

Also, it's very expensive, and now is not the time to be riding through London with 23" rims, gold flake paint etc, Yannimize style, just months, weeks, before the molotovs start flying, with the painfully obviously 'Eat the Rich' type, deep-organised 'protests', non-payment of bills, Poll Tax 2 riots, which is about unleashing total anarchy, as the forerunner, pretext, justification to the martial law/another Lockdown crackdown.

The rich will not be flashing their wealth with a conspicuous, gas-guzzling, planet-destroying, £200k Chelsea Tractor.

So what can he do? Wait 2, maybe 3 years for a BEV Range Rover, or blow the dust off cars that were last seen in the Arctic circle in March 2020? He has no choice.

eXJ was binned because it would have been eaten alive by Taycan, Tesla, and a coming Lucid. It was just a booted, long rear overhang, slightly lowered I-Pace. Weight +~250 kg on the I-Pace, giving it real range of ~160 miles.

Bollore is obviously not going to release that car, but put in a better, probably bigger, in KWhs, battery, and probably beg, borrow, steal BMW's EDU5 - which is where the bollox of JLR-BMW EV Partnership thing came from - JLR begging, buying BMW's excellent motors, and accompanying software.

 

[dalab]

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With the Jaguar situation, they must be using these prototypes as part of the fleet to transport their employees.

 

[Akrapovicowns]

Sugarchow on Instagram: "Jaguar XF designed by Midjourney. I fixed the Headlamps. How do you think about them😋 #jaguar #jaguarxf"

5,635 likes, 60 comments - sugardesign_1 on March 20, 2023: "Jaguar XF designed by Midjourney. I fixed the Headlamps. How do you think about them😋 #jaguar #jaguarxf".

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Some interesting renders of what it could’ve been

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Sugarchow on Instagram: "Jaguar XF designed by Midjourney. I fixed the Headlamps. How do you think about them😋 #jaguar #jaguarxf"

5,635 likes, 60 comments - sugardesign_1 on March 20, 2023: "Jaguar XF designed by Midjourney. I fixed the Headlamps. How do you think about them😋 #jaguar #jaguarxf".

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Some interesting renders of what it could’ve been

My vote goes to the one that has the rear reminiscent of the Maybach 6. Then the render that follows that.

 

[dalab]

Sugarchow on Instagram: "Jaguar XF designed by Midjourney. I fixed the Headlamps. How do you think about them😋 #jaguar #jaguarxf"

5,635 likes, 60 comments - sugardesign_1 on March 20, 2023: "Jaguar XF designed by Midjourney. I fixed the Headlamps. How do you think about them😋 #jaguar #jaguarxf".

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Some interesting renders of what it could’ve been

Interesting yes and a lot, but none very similar to what the real mule showed, they were going to go another way

 

[Mickaels]

Interesting yes and a lot, but none very similar to what the real mule showed, they were going to go another way

it's AI, all of the current AI renders are spitting out reinterpretations of the current designs, based off press photos and older concepts. None of the AI works will be able to create anything substantially 'new'. All they are right now are shinny objects that wow, but look closer and they are just the same old current designs but with some sparkle.

We've had a few of these AI artists contact the place I work at, offering their services. Initially some of the stuff they sent it looked pretty good, but when we asked for changes to a design or wanted something more specific like a render of an upcoming model, they failed to deliver anything remotely close. I am not sure which services these artists used but when we asked for a high resolution version from one person, they said they can only produce HD version, and another sent us a AI upscaled shot which looked horrendous.

 

[dalab]

it's AI, all of the current AI renders are spitting out reinterpretations of the current designs, based off press photos and older concepts. None of the AI works will be able to create anything substantially 'new'. All they are right now are shinny objects that wow, but look closer and they are just the same old current designs but with some sparkle.

We've had a few of these AI artists contact the place I work at, offering their services. Initially some of the stuff they sent it looked pretty good, but when we asked for changes to a design or wanted something more specific like a render of an upcoming model, they failed to deliver anything remotely close. I am not sure which services these artists used but when we asked for a high resolution version from one person, they said they can only produce HD version, and another sent us a AI upscaled shot which looked horrendous.

Interesting information.
It's nice to know first hand that it hasn't reached that point of "no human intervention" yet.
I calculate that like the good things that exist today, it is or will soon be a great tool that will shorten paths and development times.
I was thinking about it years ago when I was trying to ask Google a question and not a search, in part it seems that these new AI's provide this resource in a more timely and much broader way.

If a designer wants to visualize his own idea without spending a lot of time doing it in depth, this will be very useful, but when it comes to giving the "touch" he will have to create something that AI will not have at its disposal because it should be something new and unique. .

Of course, for the general and basic public, without higher education, this will open brains and millions of opportunities, the vast majority of the business world (small and medium-sized companies) and individual people at many levels will now have access to more professional results, very above what they can hire, pay or create and for the pros in the world this will help them to do everything faster, my humble and naive opinion until the AI launches the nuclear attack by itself.

When the social networks gave us the opportunity to stream, we met thousands of anonymous people until then, who are as much or better content creators and more entertaining than the usual anchors and producers, I see it as a great opportunity in general, but In the end, talent will continue to reign

 

[SCOTT27]

AI Generated creations can be fun. Who would like to see Aliens with the Muppets.

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