Chiron [Rumors] Bugatti Chiron Successor

[Bucketslash11]

the most leakfree announcement in the supercar world:

nobody knew it was coming until got revealed at the autoshow

 

[Gor134]

the most leakfree announcement in the supercar world:

nobody knew it was coming until got revealed at the autoshow

This!!!!

Stole all of the thunder from Acura's NSX debut at that show!

 

[KiwiRob]

I think it’s disappointing that it’s just another mid engine hypercar, it’s all a bit boring IMO, they should have pushed the boat out and built the Atlantic Coupe leaked a few years back, a hyper GT with that monster v16 in front would be so cool!!

 

[martinbo]

I think it’s disappointing that it’s just another mid engine hypercar, it’s all a bit boring IMO, they should have pushed the boat out and built the Atlantic Coupe leaked a few years back, a hyper GT with that monster v16 in front would be so cool!!

But that’s not what the customer base wants. If I was a Bugatti buyer, I certainly wouldn’t.

 

[A.P.]

I think it’s disappointing that it’s just another mid engine hypercar, it’s all a bit boring IMO, they should have pushed the boat out and built the Atlantic Coupe leaked a few years back, a hyper GT with that monster v16 in front would be so cool!!

Perfect for a 2nd model. At some point Bugatti needs more variations, same as Koenigsegg. Now they have Jesko and Gemera.

 

[Spet000]

Anything that can be revealed about the design of the exhaust setup? It looks quote non-Bugatti esque on the camouflaged picture leaked on here. That's the part that feels like the biggest hit or miss section from what we've seen so far

 

[StephM]

Hello,

Am I the only one a bit disappointed by this V16 engine (if the leaked specs are correct) ?
It outputs 1000 hp for 8.3 L. The Valkyrie has the same power with a V12 6.5 L, made by Cosworth too.
120 hp/L vs 154 hp/L. Lambo, Porsche, Ferrari achieve about 125 hp/L on their NA engines, while they are not hypercars.

I suppose a 8.3 L V16 is bigger and heavier than a 6.5L V12. Then what is the advantage of a V16 if it's not more powerful ?
Or is it just to say "everyone has a V12, so we want a V16" ?

I suppose the gap between 120 and 154 hp/L partially comes from lower max RPM, 9000 vs 10500.
But why does it rev lower on the Bugatti ? Is it just that a 8.3L engine can't rev as high as a 6.5L engine ?
Or is it because Cosworth said "we can do 10500 but it won't be easy to use on a daily basis and the engine will have to be changed after 30000 kms" and Bugatti replied that their customers want very a reliable car, so they chose a more conservative max RPM.

 

[Jonathan19]

Hello,

Am I the only one a bit disappointed by this V16 engine (if the leaked specs are correct) ?
It outputs 1000 hp for 8.3 L. The Valkyrie has the same power with a V12 6.5 L, made by Cosworth too.
120 hp/L vs 154 hp/L. Lambo, Porsche, Ferrari achieve about 125 hp/L on their NA engines, while they are not hypercars.

I suppose a 8.3 L V16 is bigger and heavier than a 6.5L V12. Then what is the advantage of a V16 if it's not more powerful ?
Or is it just to say "everyone has a V12, so we want a V16" ?

I suppose the gap between 120 and 154 hp/L partially comes from lower max RPM, 9000 vs 10500.
But why does it rev lower on the Bugatti ? Is it just that a 8.3L engine can't rev as high as a 6.5L engine ?
Or is it because Cosworth said "we can do 10500 but it won't be easy to use on a daily basis and the engine will have to be changed after 30000 kms" and Bugatti replied that their customers want very a reliable car, so they chose a more conservative max RPM.

I don't know how you can be "disappointed" about a brand new NA V16 engine today!

It's a unique engine, and comparing it to a V12 isn't really relevant (to me, of course). The V16 is a much more complex and unique setup than a V12.

And 9000 rpm for a V16 is absolutely huge!

You also need to consider other components (hybrid, etc.) when comparing it to the Valkyrie's V12 engine.

But the most important thing, in my opinion, is the aspect that defines BUGATTI: "If it's comparable, it's not a Bugatti." No hypercar has a new NA V16, only BUGATTI.

Of course, it would be best to consult with an engine specialist to explain the comparison (and I'm definitely not one).

The point is, Bugatti is unique, and this engine is the proof.

 

[Centurion]

I suppose a 8.3 L V16 is bigger and heavier than a 6.5L V12. Then what is the advantage of a V16 if it's not more powerful ?

Reliability, smoother power delivery or less ear piercing acoustic pitch.

This is relevant as the Veyron and Chiron are a cross breed between hyper GT and hyper car.

 

[Bridster]

Hello,

Am I the only one a bit disappointed by this V16 engine (if the leaked specs are correct) ?
It outputs 1000 hp for 8.3 L. The Valkyrie has the same power with a V12 6.5 L, made by Cosworth too.
120 hp/L vs 154 hp/L. Lambo, Porsche, Ferrari achieve about 125 hp/L on their NA engines, while they are not hypercars.

I suppose a 8.3 L V16 is bigger and heavier than a 6.5L V12. Then what is the advantage of a V16 if it's not more powerful ?
Or is it just to say "everyone has a V12, so we want a V16" ?

I suppose the gap between 120 and 154 hp/L partially comes from lower max RPM, 9000 vs 10500.
But why does it rev lower on the Bugatti ? Is it just that a 8.3L engine can't rev as high as a 6.5L engine ?
Or is it because Cosworth said "we can do 10500 but it won't be easy to use on a daily basis and the engine will have to be changed after 30000 kms" and Bugatti replied that their customers want very a reliable car, so they chose a more conservative max RPM.

Yes, the rev limit is the main culprit. If you were to look at Nm/L, the engines would probably be pretty similar.

And why doesn't it rev higher? It's pretty simple, the V16 is very long engine, so the crank and the camshafts have to be really long as well. This means they are less stiff and there is more propensity for resonance and the whole engine movement is less precise. High revs magnify all these problems, so sadly 11000RPM is probably out of the question. It's possible that they could make the crankshaft and the camshafts stronger and stiffer, but then the block would also have to be stiffer and the whole engine would probably gain a lot of weight. So maybe even if it could be done, it wouldn't be worth it.

Being cautiously conservative might also be a part of the answer.

I am also slightly disappointed it's only 1000hp and I thought it would be a bit more, but I guess Bugatti being somewhat conservative makes sense. Maybe they are also leaving something on the table deliberately, making room for a hotter model down the line.

Wouldn't a V12 be technically better? Yeah, probably, but this certainly makes it more special. And it being special is almost certainly more important to a Bugatti customer than a few extra hp.

 

[Centurion]

I am also slightly disappointed it's only 1000hp and I thought it would be a bit more, but I guess Bugatti being somewhat conservative makes sense. Maybe they are also leaving something on the table deliberately, making room for a hotter model down the line.

Off course.

Gotta leave headroom for an inflation adjusted SuperSport model priced at €9,000,000 in 2026-2027.

 

[SNB]

Off course.

Gotta leave headroom for an inflation adjusted SuperSport model priced at €9,000,000 in 2026-2027.

I’m hoping they make a GrandSport version, imagine listening to a N/A V16 revving to 9,000RPM with an open top!

 

[Tourbillon]

Hello,

Am I the only one a bit disappointed by this V16 engine (if the leaked specs are correct) ?
It outputs 1000 hp for 8.3 L. The Valkyrie has the same power with a V12 6.5 L, made by Cosworth too.
120 hp/L vs 154 hp/L. Lambo, Porsche, Ferrari achieve about 125 hp/L on their NA engines, while they are not hypercars.

I suppose a 8.3 L V16 is bigger and heavier than a 6.5L V12. Then what is the advantage of a V16 if it's not more powerful ?
Or is it just to say "everyone has a V12, so we want a V16" ?

I suppose the gap between 120 and 154 hp/L partially comes from lower max RPM, 9000 vs 10500.
But why does it rev lower on the Bugatti ? Is it just that a 8.3L engine can't rev as high as a 6.5L engine ?
Or is it because Cosworth said "we can do 10500 but it won't be easy to use on a daily basis and the engine will have to be changed after 30000 kms" and Bugatti replied that their customers want very a reliable car, so they chose a more conservative max RPM.

Bugatti's are as much as about mid range torque than top of the rpm power.

And the Super Sports will follow anyway. Bugatti Veyron and Bugatti Chiron quite very obviously had these. You think they're going to bring out the top of the range engine specifications from the outset?

They never have and they never will.

 

[Tourbillon]

I’m hoping they make a GrandSport version, imagine listening to a N/A V16 revving to 9,000RPM with an open top!

Oh it'll come, absolutely it will.

 

[Tourbillon]

Reliability, smoother power delivery or less ear piercing acoustic pitch.

This is relevant as the Veyron and Chiron are a cross breed between hyper GT and hyper car.

Yes exactly.

 

[Tourbillon]

I don't know how you can be "disappointed" about a brand new NA V16 engine today!

It's a unique engine, and comparing it to a V12 isn't really relevant (to me, of course). The V16 is a much more complex and unique setup than a V12.

And 9000 rpm for a V16 is absolutely huge!

You also need to consider other components (hybrid, etc.) when comparing it to the Valkyrie's V12 engine.

But the most important thing, in my opinion, is the aspect that defines BUGATTI: "If it's comparable, it's not a Bugatti." No hypercar has a new NA V16, only BUGATTI.

Of course, it would be best to consult with an engine specialist to explain the comparison (and I'm definitely not one).

The point is, Bugatti is unique, and this engine is the proof.

It's like bringing out the 205 GTI first LOL!

 

[Jonathan19]

 

[Bridster]

A terrible picture of a screen, but this looks real.

It's roughly what I imagined, and yeah, pretty nice! It looks like we'll get Huayra/Utopia level interior!

 

[Jonathan19]

A terrible picture of a screen, but this looks real.

It's roughly what I imagined, and yeah, pretty nice! It looks like we'll get Huayra/Utopia level interior!

It's a pic of the new client configurator from what i heard.

 

[klier]

Yeah, so you either tell them to suck it, or don't publish them.

Tell em to suck it, like I did with the M8 Comp scoop a few years ago.

Just send all media to me. I will post them.