Phantom Rolls-Royce unveils new Phantom Coupé

[Centurion]

How silly of me not to notice this. I see the biggest problem. The side profile has no coupe shapre or form. It looks like a sedan that has had the rear door removed. The coupes folding roof has a more slanted, "coupe like shape'. The actual coupe has a very flat and uninspiring roofline. Where is the coupe shape Rolls Royce? Even the window line is lacking the clasic coupe shape!

That's what I've been saying all along. It looks too much like a sedan with two doors like an old fashioned two door Rolls. The design worked for the older slightly more boxy and bulky cars but in 2008 it ain't working out very well.

 

[coolraoul]

Yeah that is the strange part, the Drop looks good top up or down. Puzzling.

M

Yes, the DHC is just as gorgeous top up as top down...Because it was designed as a convertible, all the lines are perfectly flowing, and of course the top has a different colour/material so it is visually separated from the body. It makes it much lighter, much longer visuallywise, all lines clearly going from the front to the rear and everything converging. Onlz horizontal lines.
The eyes separates the body and the roof because the material and chrome line are clearly stting the two apart. So like I said, it appear much lower, much longer.

On the Coupe, roof and body are merged. No visual difference, same colour and material. So the eyes see the whole car as only one thing, and the car looks heavy, "short" and bold, too massive.

They tried to separate the roof, with the cut on the windshield that stops the eyes, the line in the metal separating the roof from the body. This is why it looks like a hardtop. Trouble is, it is not enough. You still see this as a whole, and it is too massive. The roof does not flow, but does not enlighten the massive design... That is why the two-tone paint, wonderul on the DHC, looks so out of place in the Coupe. Because of the roof that is integrated, but doesn't really flow with the overall design.

Just my thoughts about these two cars ans a try to explain why the DHC looks wonderful even with the top, and not the Coupe.

 

[Merc1]

Very good analysis, Raoul.

M

 

[PanterroR]

I'm loving it, very much!

More than Brooklands? No!

 

[EnI]

Very good analysis, Raoul.

M

 

[Tarek]

Yep and Bentley, Rolls and Jaguar always have the most varied color selection for their cloth tops. There is a certain sensual appeal to a cloth roof that a folding hardtop can't ever capture. I don't ever remember seeing a brown or green top offered on a modern day MB, BMW or Audi drop.

M

Actually u can get colored rag top from MB but as adesigno option,i've see many CLKs and old SL wit colored top mainly drak red,brown and navy blue.

 

[Merc1]

Actually u can get colored rag top from MB but as adesigno option,i've see many CLKs and old SL wit colored top mainly drak red,brown and navy blue.

Yeah I knew that, my CLK has a "Ash", i.e. grey color top. For years and years though all you saw were black colored tops on Benzes. The C208 CLK started to change that as did the last few years of the R129. I've still never seen a green, brown or some other off-beat color top on a Benz in the U.S. Europe has full access to the designo options list, but I don't think we do.

M

 

[Tarek]

Yeah I knew that, my CLK has a "Ash", i.e. grey color top. For years and years though all you saw were black colored tops on Benzes. The C208 CLK started to change that as did the last few years of the R129. I've still never seen a green, brown or some other off-beat color top on a Benz in the U.S. Europe has full access to the designo options list, but I don't think we do.

M

Then blame MBUSA for that,as for me i'm not a big fan of colored tops sometimes it looks juvnile.I'd only go for navy blue,ash,dark brown or black

 

[Merc1]

Oh yes I think a dark blue top is the ultimate or a dark beige. In my experience Jaguar and Bentley have the best I've ever seen.

M

 

[Tarek]

Once i saw sky blue CLK with a gorgeous navy blue top with the right rims and it looked just sensational

 

[coolraoul]

Feel free to explain your views, EnI...

 

[EnI]

Feel free to explain your views, EnI...

I've already done that ... in the other thread.

I just find it funny while my points are considered "doublespeak" by Marcus, while your points seem all valid to him.

 

[coolraoul]

Maybe because we share the same opinion on that?

You still did not answer, when I ask you why I (and obviously I am not alone) like the DHC and not the Coupe, if it still is because of the "post-modernity statement"?

Your points are empty words, I try to explain my views. Try to explain why I feel the Coupe is just a messed-up DHC. Try to explain it is not the "post-modernity statement" of the Rolls that I don't like, but the way the roof has been added to the DHC. Because I like the DHC a lot.

 

[EnI]

You are a funny guy, raoul.

Check the DHC with the roof up (preferable in dark color - so the roof is more in line with the body color) and the Coupe. There is almost no difference - except the chromed C-pillar line which is missing on the Coupe (coupe has the greenhouse chromed line instead). All the others details - including the silhouette & greenhouse - are identical (excl. exposed exhaust pipes & different wheels on Coupe). Identical roofline - not like eg. in 3er, 6er, 1er, Z4 case - where roof lines of coupe & cabrio are different.

So if that line makes the difference - making DHC "acceptable", while on the other hand making the Coupe "ugly, bloated, fat, truck-ish, etc" - I just can't help you. Because that's pure BSing.

And again: yes, both Coupes are identical cars - yet the DH features folding canvas roof, while Coupe has fixed (irremovable) hard top. Even the name is the same: Coupe (2 doors). No Convertible or Cabriolet nomenclature is used.

Now I'm resting my case ...

 

[coolraoul]

As I already stated, for me the play with colours and materials for the roof in the DHC makes all the difference. It makes the DHC appears lower, longer, sleeker because the roof is visually separated from the body. Even with a darker colour.
They tried to do it with the Coupe too, see the cut on the windscreen and very obvious C-pillar, but it failed.

Now, I am not the only one who thinks the DHC is beautiful even top up, and the Coupe isn't.

To each his own, like always.

 

[SCOTT27]

Sorry I do not see the Phantom family as trucks, what I do see is a modern interpretation of a Rolls-Royce family - Classic styling , just sheer luxury you do know that the Rolls-Royce Phantom is according to many motoring media - The best car in the world. And that is because of the creativity and hard work BMW put into making The Rolls-Royce brand. With BMW seperated from The Rolls-Royce project as not to alienate customers . The image rose because of the car , the factory , the status. All powered by BMW's euro but kept well within the background.

The Phantom Coupe is now the completion of the extension of the Phantom family , Now there will be a new family born which will expand to offer similar identity to the Phantom which possibly means Coupe and Cabrio and a 4dr Coupe which is still regarded as about to get the green-light for production. And something similar or equivalent to BMW's Progressive Activity Sedan.

One thing is for sure that it must be tough times indeed over at Mercedes-Benz and the manager responsible for Maybach Town Car... What next for them?

 

[Centurion]

And something similar or equivalent to BMW's Progressive Activity Sedan.

A Rolls Royce MPV with the roof sliced at the rear?? I damn sure hope that such a model doesn't get green light. BMW seen to be on a mission to milk Mini and RR for everything they can.

 

[EnI]

And something similar or equivalent to BMW's Progressive Activity Sedan.

Yep. I've heard something about designer playing with idea of possible Silver Cloud Shooting Brake revival. Yet I thought that shooting brake idea & 4dr coupe idea was the same thing.

Silver Cloud Shooting Brake:




But I think it's just designers playing with crazy ideas.


PS: I hope there will be no suggestion to revive the RR hearse. The ultimate VIP hearse.

 

[Matt]

meh.....

ill take a conti gt.

 

[Bartek S.]