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Rivian is an American EV maker founded 2009. It builds rugged, outdoor-focused models like the R1T and R1S on its modular platform. Official: Rivian
Except a Rivian is a modern piece of junk that'll be obsolete in 3 years when new and better batteries arrive. But yeah, anything goes in todays hyped up BS world.

Or they do what most companies in the market place have done keep upgrading the vehicles with newer batteries and more efficient motors when they become available, they're not going to sit static. I'm sure they will also deliver software upgrades which will also improve performance, just like Audi and Polestar have done with the E-Tron 55 and Polestar 2, both have received 20km bumps in range via software updates.
 
Or they do what most companies in the market place have done keep upgrading the vehicles with newer batteries and more efficient motors when they become available, they're not going to sit static. I'm sure they will also deliver software upgrades which will also improve performance, just like Audi and Polestar have done with the E-Tron 55 and Polestar 2, both have received 20km bumps in range via software updates.

Yeah, you're going to update from Lithium to solid state through the air, am I right?
 
Yeah, you're going to update from Lithium to solid state through the air, am I right?
Ignoring the OTA bit ;) , how many current electric cars can be upgraded to solid-state? Can systems built for Li-ion batteries integrate with batteries? And when are we going to see solid-state battery production ramp up to the point where it'll be the dominant energy storage for the EV market?

I am sure our resident engineers on GCF can answer the first two questions. But with the last question, last I remember (and I don't remember well) was Toyota and their partner (either Panasonic or a Chinese battery company) was on track with bringing it into the market in the mid-2020s, but I think they were having issues either with it's ability to discharge or the how many charge cycles it'd retain. We'll see SS batteries, but I'd bet it's closer to the end of the decade. And if we are talking about a meaningful number of SS batteries to bring about significant change to EV market, then likely in the beginning of 2030s.

Regarding, BEVs and other ZEVs, we are still in the infancy stage. Like ICEs in the beginning, we really didn't start seeing marked efficiencies until the last 30 or 40 years. And what spurred along those efficiencies were things like tighter air regulations, a gas shortage that brought to attention smaller, more efficient powertrains, computers having an ever increasing role in managing systems within a car, etc. With BEVs, we are still trying to further maximize so many of these parameters: power, range, capacity.

I think with so much more resources at hand, the trajectory in increasing those areas' potential will be steeper than it was ICEVs. I do wonder when we'll see a plateau because if you're constantly plying money into R&D and often retooling to keep up with the most modern batteries and systems in order to stay competitive, I wonder how companies will be able continuously produce a profit.
 
Except a Rivian is a modern piece of junk that'll be obsolete in 3 years when new and better batteries arrive. But yeah, anything goes in todays hyped up BS world.

Ok.

I take it all back right here and now. What they have made is beyond what Germany is capable of imo. Just spectacular. So much more modern what comes out of Germany (or anywhere else for that matter).

Tesla, Rivian and Lucid are far and beyond the best EV brands in the world (with Tesla being distant third).

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Not sure if you’re being facetious. Rivian was just named Motortrends truck of the year. I’ll be buying the SUV next year. I don’t think it can be touched in the EV segment.
 
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Ok.

I take it all back right here and now. What they have made is beyond what Germany is capable of imo. Just spectacular. So much more modern what comes out of Germany (or anywhere else for that matter).

Tesla, Rivian and Lucid are far and beyond the best EV brands in the world (with Tesla being distant third).

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...actually, some folks that I suspect are far more authoritative than ourselves maintain that, in the sum of all attributes, Tesla has been and currently remains the best EV brand. Lucid and Rivian are looking very impressive on paper, but are not comprehensively tested nor proven. Time will tell, as will the ability of Asian and European manufacturers to match and possibly surpass them on a consistent basis.
 
...actually, some folks that I suspect are far more authoritative than ourselves maintain that, in the sum of all attributes, Tesla has been and currently remains the best EV brand. Lucid and Rivian are looking very impressive on paper, but are not comprehensively tested nor proven. Time will tell, as will the ability of Asian and European manufacturers to match and possibly surpass them on a consistent basis.
What is common for these three companies(except the fact that they are from the US), is the absence of ICE car manufacturing history. And this makes the difference. In the US the automotive lobby is not that strong as it is in Europe ans especially Germany. VAG, Daimler, BMW constricted the development of EVs (all government grants went to them instead to start ups).
 
You guys are all missing it. What’s common in these companies, and what drives a good portion of their massive valuations, is the scalability of being able to sell B to C without the dealer intermediary. Legacy automakers can never, ever shed their dealers. If Rivian and GM sell the same amount of electric vehicles Rivian will have 4-5x the valuation simply because they can scale so much easier and more profitability on the future without the antiquated dealer network.
 
For low volume automakers, a dealer network is a good thing as it contributes (if run properly) to the feeling of a luxury brand and community. This in turn enhances brand loyalty among customers. For high volume OEMs dealers are a curse. Especially once things are EV and require 1/100th of the mechanical maintenance.
 
For low volume automakers, a dealer network is a good thing as it contributes (if run properly) to the feeling of a luxury brand and community. This in turn enhances brand loyalty among customers. For high volume OEMs dealers are a curse. Especially once things are EV and require 1/100th of the mechanical maintenance.
The lack of dealers is such a big advantage, no discounts, no internal competition, regulate the demand and supply with the list price. Dealers are a huge burden, they give no added value.
 
The lack of dealers is such a big advantage, no discounts, no internal competition, regulate the demand and supply with the list price. Dealers are a huge burden, they give no added value.

Come to think of it...

I suspect that there are a good number of old guys/gals like me who would be more than content with configuring and ordering an automobile online. For me, at least, dealer showroom sales personnel are absolutely superfluous. I imagine that younger buyers would prefer this route in general.
 
Not sure if you’re being facetious. Rivian was just named Motortrends truck of the year. I’ll be buying the SUV next year. I don’t think it can be touched in the EV segment.

Absolutely not. I like how it looks and the tech and car itself in all its aspects are next level. Except the lack of CarPlay and Android auto, which is just weird.

Here in Europe it doesn't make sense because we lack the great outdoors, but man I'd love to own one and go on an 2021 adventure (with built in kitchen and portable speaker). Truly modern with no heritage. Heritage is nothing but a giant burden in the EV era. The best cars are fresh ideas and they all are American.

The BMW iX feels like an electric X5 next to the Rivian. It doesn't even have a frunk for instance. Probably because packaging the car with a lot of ICE parts isn't quite working out? iX is a modded CLAR platform if anything, sharing much hardware with ICE Bimmers.
 
From talking to a Rivian rep, the lack of android auto and carplay is that they have a lot of proprietary tech in the cars that's having trouble integrating with Carplay and Android Auto. It will come in the future.
 
Ok.

I take it all back right here and now. What they have made is beyond what Germany is capable of imo. Just spectacular. So much more modern what comes out of Germany (or anywhere else for that matter).

Tesla, Rivian and Lucid are far and beyond the best EV brands in the world (with Tesla being distant third).

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You are changing a lot of statements lately

What's next?

Liking MB?
 
You are changing a lot of statements lately

What's next?

Liking MB?

A lot?

Changing a statement about a car I have never seen or read a review about isn't particularly weird is it? I've seen more than the initial pictures and hype statements now. There is an actual car for sale, and I like it an awful lot.
 
A lot?

Changing a statement about a car I have never seen or read a review about isn't particularly weird is it? I've seen more than the initial pictures and hype statements now. There is an actual car for sale, and I like it an awful lot.
Yes . Not only about Rivian

But saying that "modern piece of junk that'll be obsolete in 3 years" about a car that you never seen or read a review about it isn't weird?

Your statement was based upon what?


Oh , wait...
 
Yes . Not only about Rivian

But saying that "modern piece of junk that'll be obsolete in 3 years" about a car that you never seen or read a review about it isn't weird?

Your statement was based upon what?


Oh , wait...

Go bother someone else lol
 
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Of course he would.
I like him a lot, he's fair.

Could this Rivian be the pick-up breakthrough in Western Europe? It could.....It's just so useful for many people here.

You are changing a lot of statements lately

What's next?

Liking MB?

You were right after all....
The EQXX is both a gem and a powerhouse on wheels.

Who would have thought.....
 
Of course he would.
I like him a lot, he's fair.

Could this Rivian be the pick-up breakthrough in Western Europe? It could.....It's just so useful for many people here.



You were right after all....
The EQXX is both a gem and a powerhouse on wheels.

Who would have thought.....

The Amorak got a lot of people in Norway into pickups. I like the Rivan, it's a good size, it's not US full size with is just too big IMO but falls somewhere between US and normal sized. I can see it being very popular in Norway.
 

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