Vs Revised Jaguar XF vs german rivals (A6, 5-series, E-class)

[SKY]

E-Class better handling than a 5er? Bah I don´t believe it even if someone has written it. It´s true british are quite biased towards their cars, one just have to see Jeremy Clarkson comments about the Range Rover. But if you have get inside the FL XF, you´ll see how perfect it is. Every single button is finely located, thery are soft to touch and completly follows the design of the entire cabin. The alu, the leather, all is top level. The car even has its own personality with the air vents, nav screen, and gear level that turn and goes up when you start the car.

Really one of my fav cars the new XF.

 

[klier]

Yeah, I have not yet been inside one, but I've seen a couple of XF-R models on the Ring two weeks ago, and they looked just great with capitals.

 

[donkeykong]

Mercedes is lost, Audi is dull, XF is awesome and 5er is perfect

The BMW is the most enjoyable to drive in this test, and that's all there is to it.

And a FWD car shouldn't even be included in this test. The A6 should fight it out with other FWD crap cars.

...And it still took the top spot. You can disparage the A6 all you want,but it's in the argument for leader in class this go around. The engine,and fwd are not very appealing I'll give you that much,but you've seen what the 3.0t has done in comparison to the others in this segment.

 

[K-A]

The handling in the F10 isn't really anything special, relatively speaking. Articles have said this, owners have complained (in hoards), etc. I've found that it felt moderately better than the E's, moderately.

Look up the lateral G/Skidpad numbers of basic F10's, they're quite disappointing.

Now, if we're talking E60, it's a different story, as that car feels much less luxurious, and much more sporty when behind the wheel.

 

[martinbo]

Now, if we're talking E60, it's a different story, as that car feels much less luxurious, and much more sporty when behind the wheel.

Too sporty I might add for its intended market i.e. those with the wherewithal to spend money on it. With the advent of runflats, the E39's masterful ride and handling compromise was lost forever.

 

[K-A]

I agree. The E60 was kind of a pointless choice for me at the time (hideous styling to my tastes aside). Too harsh for a Mid-Large size Luxury Sedan. If I want something big, I want it to be comfy.

 

[Merc1]

For me in this class it is the 5-Series and the XF. Specifically the 550i M-Sport and the XFR. The E is still funny looking at best and the Audi is just more of the same in person, it doesn't move the game one enough.


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[PHYBENZ]

E class interior does look a little dated in that trim. I would say the Jag interior looks dated too. I find the A6 interior to be a mish mash of angles, materials and don't find it very cohesive. The BMW interior is probably the cleanest looking while still being modern.

 

[wookieecrisp]

I find the A6 interior to be a mish mash of angles, materials and don't find it very cohesive.

I agree with this part of your post.
The Audi's interior has all sorts of unnecessary (IMO) swoops and dashes. The E-Class lacks these, and while some call it dull I call it understated beauty.

 

[klier]

The handling in the F10 isn't really anything special, relatively speaking. Articles have said this, owners have complained (in hoards), etc. I've found that it felt moderately better than the E's, moderately.

You're funny.

...And it still took the top spot.

Yeah, for reasons I don't care for, like interior space. Whoopy doo.

 

[Zafiro]

Best looking exterior goes to Jaguar but the interior is the worst among these cars. I've been inside and the quality isnt great. No high quality materials and the steering wheel is cheap.



A6 have great front but the rest of the car is just boring and anonymous. The rearlights looks so sad. Yes I have seen the car IRL so dont get me started. Avant looks much better from the rear than the Sedan does. Weird.

E-class has a bad rear and the 3/4 rear view is just horrible.

5-series have better overall design, its clean, stylish and modern. Add M-package and spacegrey color and it looks fantastic. Downside with the 5 its too freaking heavy, what went wrong here. 100 kg less and the five would be a totally different car to drive.

 

[Sunny]

I seriously can't believe you would pick that A6 over the 5er!!! Really can't Sunny

BMW F10 5-series is the people's choice this generation. I am 100% confident it will sell the most cars in the mid size luxury segment this generation. Not that I care about sales at all, but it's just so obvious that people are flocking back to BMW again after the E60.

Haha, credit where it is due. I panned the A6 at the debut, but I have seen it in person now, front end at least with the LED head lights is very arresting, yea, the rear is kinda sad looking. But all this talk about design just makes me sad. The A6 won, cause it is wonderful all-around mechanical package. Lightest and most efficient at the same time good performance. Of course I wouldn't pick a FWD version though - the A6 3.0T would be all sort of awesomeness. The Bimmer is up their too, it is nearly as efficient and faster too. The Merc on other hand - worst mechanical package - least powerful and slowest and the same time not as efficient as the other 2. The Jag is less efficient, but at least it is fast.

 

[K-A]

What the 5 lacks to me is charisma and an arresting look that commands me to pay for it, as does the A6. If I was a family man and needed a spirited drive to carry my family in, they'd be my choices perhaps. As a single guy who wants the stately and dynamic presence of a Sedan as a stylistic preference, I feel the E was the best for me. I will agree that the 5's interior is best in Class though, although I get the E's interior, and it isn't until you've gone on a nice road trip with one, that you'll "get" what the designers and engineered aimed for with it: Perfect Luxury driving ambiance. Whereas the 5'er coddles and surrounds you, the E acts as a Lounge for you. I feel like M-B went to its roots for the interior ambiance with this car.

The Jag however I feel has the best interior materials in a *fancy" sense. Suede headliner, soft touch carpeting where the E and 5 have plastics, etc. However, in a *quality* sense, I'd say that it comes in last. Materials don't seem built to last, and everything doesn't seem bull-strong welded on like in the E-Class.

As per sales, I'm aware that the ROW markets may be different, but in the U.S, the E60 was the sales champion over the E-Class during its entire run. The W212 since has taken the Sales crown, while they've skyrocketed to push the F10's sales lower than the E60's were. As much as I don't agree with MBUSA putting the AMG Package on all E's as standard from an enthusiasts perspective, I do get how much it has probably helped sales.

Also, we don't even get these motors, so that aspect is a non issue to me.

 

[Sunny]

The story is not much different for the V6 we get here - MB is still the least powerful and least efficient. When the new M276 V6 arrives here, it will close the gap somewhat, but I doubt it will still match BMW's N55 or Audi's supercharged V6. And it is not just the engine, both Audi and BMW is available with 8 speed transmission and Ediff while E offers nada.

Also do you have the sales figures breakdown? I wonder if the only reason E is higher is cause of E coupe and convertible. Also F10 production was still probably ramping up.

 

[Zafiro]

As much as I don't agree with MBUSA putting the AMG Package on all E's as standard from an enthusiasts perspective, I do get how much it has probably helped sales.

Oh man you americans have all the goodies. I wish M package is standard for bimmers over here. And lets not talk about you car prices. In America you get a 550i for the same price as a 520d in Sweden. And then there are fuel prices, its much more expensive in Europe than in US. You guys are lucky.


PS cars in this test are the best selling versions in Europe.

 

[K-A]

The story is not much different for the V6 we get here - MB is still the least powerful and least efficient. When the new M276 V6 arrives here, it will close the gap somewhat, but I doubt it will still match BMW's N55 or Audi's supercharged V6. And it is not just the engine, both Audi and BMW is available with 8 speed transmission and Ediff while E offers nada.

Also do you have the sales figures breakdown? I wonder if the only reason E is higher is cause of E coupe and convertible. Also F10 production was still probably ramping up.

True, but at the same time, the entry level F10 in America has a 240 HP I6 (soon to be a 240 HP 4 Cyl), while the entry level E has a 268 HP (soon to be 300 HP). People seem to forget that. The E has two engines, the 5'er has 3.... And the E actually has a higher HP average per its models.

As for Sales, true the Coupe/Vert and F07 are all included. However it has been said that the E Sedan outsells the entire 5 line in the U.S. The number altogether are usually in favor to the E by over 1K per month, which is a HUGE "win" for the E, as the F10 is a first year production car, and first years are always the highest selling for a models production run.

Anyway, Sales don't mean that much to me, so a better car can be a slower seller (i.e the W211 VS the E60 in the States, for example, IMO).

 

[K-A]

Oh man you americans have all the goodies. I wish M package is standard for bimmers over here. And lets not talk about you car prices. In America you get a 550i for the same price as a 520d in Sweden. And then there are fuel prices, its much more expensive in Europe than in US. You guys are lucky.


PS cars in this test are the best selling versions in Europe.

Yeah, we're very spoiled. BTW, BMW is lowering the price of the M-Pack out here, obviously to keep the car competitive with the E-Class.

Yeah I'm aware about the F10's lead in Europe. I believe the W211 was the European leader over the E60 yeah? Which considering that the E60 outsold the W211 handily out here (much of that had to do with the catastrophic quality of the W211, and M-B dropping their Free-Servicing while BMW kept it), it says a lot about what the different markets prefer stylistically (arguably the W212 is the E60 this time around.... Although much nicer IMO , and the F10 is the W211, in terms of aesthetics).

 

[Zafiro]

Yeah, we're very spoiled.

At least we have free health care unlike you guys. Makes me wonder whats more important, low car price or free health care

 

[K-A]

Seriously, I can't even believe you have to ask that. Let's be mature adults here and act intelligently. The answer to that is extremely simple:

CAR PRICE!!!!

 

[GTA45E]

Best looking exterior goes to Jaguar but the interior is the worst among these cars. I've been inside and the quality isnt great. No high quality materials and the steering wheel is cheap.

This is one of the few time I have to agree with Just_me. I have spent some time in the XF-R and was not impressed by it`s interior at all.
I found it cramped and the materials were sub-bar. It does look pretty good from the outside, I wouldn`t say the best in the group.